Human rights abuse tariffs of China?

[rathi]

Done it before, to France. Didn't seem to stop people. Well we didn't really default on the debt. We just refused to pay it back in gold.

Completely different circumstances. Do you really think we could get away with defaulting today, especially with fiat currency?

China doesn't concern me. They knew the sucker bet when they bought all that debt. It's written in our dollar. Even if they called it in, we could print off the money for it. Of course it would have horrible effects, but as I said America is better able to enact recovery.

Why is that important? Do you think that it is okay to destroy the American economy as long as China is taken down as well?

 

[Ikari]

Completely different circumstances. Do you really think we could get away with defaulting today, especially with fiat currency?

What would happen, especially with our fiat currency? Not much. Fact of the matter is that there will always be someone willing to buy American debt.

Why is that important? Do you think that it is okay to destroy the American economy as long as China is taken down as well?

I didn't say it was a good idea, I'm merely saying that China doesn't hold all the cards simply because they own a large amount of our debt. They can't make us pay it back, if they want to try to force it somehow, they will break themselves. And in a way well more devistating to themselves than to America. In fact, under such scenario America would come out on the other side in a better situation than currrent.

 

[rathi]

What would happen, especially with our fiat currency? Not much. Fact of the matter is that there will always be someone willing to buy American debt.

That is a completely unsupported assumption. If we default on our debt or engage in rampant inflation, people won't buy it.

I didn't say it was a good idea, I'm merely saying that China doesn't hold all the cards simply because they own a large amount of our debt. They can't make us pay it back, if they want to try to force it somehow, they will break themselves. And in a way well more devistating to themselves than to America. In fact, under such scenario America would come out on the other side in a better situation than currrent.

I never made such a claim. China and the U.S. are handcuffed together economically and if one goes down, it will drag the other with it. I was pointing that out the middleaged gamer who failed to recognize that with his absurd tarrif policy.

 

[Hoplite]

When I read about the human rights abuses in China, it feels like I'm reading a dystopian novel, like Nineteen Eighty-Four or somewhat.

But... it's not a novel. Novels are fiction! The human rights abuses in China are really happening!

The United States should impose tariffs on China, not to discourage Americans from importing goods (because it wouldn't apply to other nations, like Canada or France), but to discourage the trading of goods that come from the human rights-abusing China.

The problem is it'll choke off the supply of Chinese goods that we buy and raise prices for us. We wouldnt really be doing anything to China.

 

[Patria Antiqua]

Or we could just not do anything. I like that option.

China will democratize itself eventually, not that I care. As far as I'm concered, it'll do just fine under the enlightened leaders that it has now for years to come.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

They can stop buying our debt, others will. And they can call it in as much as they want, but what are they really going to do to get it?

Reputation and creditworthiness don't come cheap, I don't see anyone else internationally buying US debt if it chooses to default on Chinese holdings.

-- It's not a road we should really go down; but in the end while both countries would suffer; America stands well ahead in terms of recovery.

I agree this isn't a road either America or China should go down - however last I looked, China was growing and not in need of recovery. Granted it needs to grow 8% a year to stave off internal problems and this is the real concern - the world has become addicted to cheap Chinese goods produced through near slave labour conditions in some parts - what happens when that engine runs out? What happens when Chinese growth is less than an annual 8% and internal problems and demands take over - that's when the **** hits the fan IMO.

 

[Albert Di Salvo]

America will lose a trade war with China. Americans must realize that the American Era of world history has ended. Americans should not worry about the Han. The Han own America. We must accept the fact that as a result America's freedom of action no longer exists.

 

[middleagedgamer]

America will lose a trade war with China. Americans must realize that the American Era of world history has ended. Americans should not worry about the Han. The Han own America. We must accept the fact that as a result America's freedom of action no longer exists.

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[MKULTRABOY]

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I thought that was ignorance, not trolling.

 

[Albert Di Salvo]

Eurocentrism is common to Americans. It's a way of seeing and making sense of the world. It's a state of consciousness. But it is not the only way of seeing and making sense of the world.

The Qing Dynasty saw the world through sinocentric eyes. That was fine until it made them ineffective in dealing with Western imperialism. Because they saw the world in a way that did not truly reflect the nature of power China suffered what the Han call the Century of Humiliation.

America now suffers from Eurocentrism in thinking that this country can impose our particular notions of human rights on the Chinese. This type of thinking will bring suffering to the American people. Those who cannot deal effectively with the nature of reality are condemned to suffer the full measure of pain reserved for the ignorant.

Besides, the Chinese do not look on human rights in America as an unalloyed good thing. Chaos is to be avoided. Look at the chaos in America. It is not something the Chinese people want.

Americans rarely have insight about other peoples.