CattyCarissa said:If you did have your tubes tied you can get the procedure reversed; I know people who have had it done. I was impressed to find out they can reverse your tubes; I think it gives a woman more choices.
Peralin said:Actually, it does when its 4-on-1, and the 1 has no response to any of the arguments of the 4. Besides, victory will never be declared, so I decide for myself when the battle is too far over for it to become an intelligent argument again.
vergiss said:In that case, it ended the moment you started posting.
vergiss said:Learn to respect other people's opinions regarding what is ethical, without shoving your own down their throats or stooping to ridiculous insults.
js416256 said:To digress from the unnecessary banter some of the relevant arguments over the past 8 pages got me thinking about the children put up for adoption if abortion was criminalized. So since 1973 the number of adoptee in the US has declined and so many people seeking adopted children have had to go overseas, but if abortion was criminalized the number of adopted children would most likely occur. So with the hypothetical increase of adopted children where would most of these children go? I'm guessing nontraditional families like single parents or gay couples, so the question I pose to everyone is would you want to criminalize abortion and make sure adoption laws include all types of families (ex: repeal of the Florida ban on gay adoption)? Or do you think that traditional families should be promoted and nontraditional families should be frowned upon?
CattyCarissa said:But I thought you made the comment that you wouldnt get your tubes tied because you wanted kids later but if it can be reversed then you can have children later. (There are doctors that are understanding that will tie your tubes if thats what you needed to have done to prevent unwanted pregnancies.)
So why did you just reply that you wont ever have your tubes tied even after having children?
vergiss said:What are you smoking?!
It only works some of the time. Attempting to reverse tubal ligation is a procedure with an extremely high chance of failure. Do you even know what's involved?
In that case, it ended the moment you started posting.
I completely agree. Gay parents can raise children better than the orphanage system. If there's someone that'll love them and raise them well, I say let it happen. If nothing else, it'll save money spent taking care of the kids. Its a win-win situation for all.Peralin said:Good point. I think that abortion should be illegal and that gays should be allowed to adopt. I think that if a homosexual adult thinks that he/she/they can take care of a child better than the orphanage then let them go for it. Two fathers or two mothers can do just as well as one mother and one father. It would be tougher for them to raise the child, but I think that anyone should have the right to adopt, assuming that they meet minimum requirements of money and criminal record.
CattyCarissa said:If you read my message you would have known I know what I am talking about so evidently you need to quit smoking because you need to pay attention.
Overall, success rates for tubal ligation reversal can vary from 20 percent to 70 percent.
vergiss said:
CattyCarissa said:If you read my message you would have known I know what I am talking about so evidently you need to quit smoking because you need to pay attention.
CattyCarissa said:I was just letting people know there are always other options. It is better know all the choices that are out there.
Tubal ligation is An operation to tie the fallopian tubes closed. This procedure prevents pregnancy by blocking the passage of eggs from the ovaries to the uterus.
Tubal reversal: Heres a site you need to read.
http://www.tubal-reversal.net/tubal_anastomosis_implantation.htm
and the procedure:
http://www.tubal-reversal.net/tubal_ligation_fallopian_tube.htm
ProChoiceDanielle said:#1) Are you going to pay for me to have my tubes tied?
#2) Are you going to find a doctor who will perform such a procedure on a 23 year old with no children?
#3) I will no undergo that surgery period.
Because I will never have my tubes tied. It is much easier for a man to be snipped than a woman go through getting her tubes tied, and that is what will happen in my marriage.
CattyCarissa said:I wasn't criticizing you; I was just wanted to help you to find other options. And if you think its easier for your husband to get a vasectomy then thats fine; I know its your decision. I was just trying to help you.
ProChoiceDanielle said:I do not need other options. I am on birth control, and it works just fine for me. I do not plan on my husband getting "fixed" until after we have our family later on in life.
CattyCarissa said:That's also reversible.:wink:
Peralin said:Have you ever heard of condoms? They help out with that sort of thing. Again, not 100% reliable, but you have to decide whether it is a risk worth taking.
Look, if you do not want to have children, you should not be having sex at all. If you still want to have sex, then you are taking a risk. If you get unlucky and happen to get pregnant, then that is your own fault!!! You knew there was a chance that it would happen and you took the risk anyway because for some reason you decided that you could not live a happy life without sex.
So you got unlucky, now what do you do about it? Do you kill somebody because of your lack of luck? Or do you accept the fact that you were unlucky or made a poor decision and go through with the birth. Being forced to be pregnant (if the law is overturned) would simply force the woman to take responsibility for her own actions instead of trying to solve the problem by killing the baby.
Also, there is the option of putting the child up for adoption if you absolutely cannot take care of it.
ProChoiceDanielle said:A male vasectomy is not reverseable.
Youve Got To Be Kidding! said:Actually condoms dont help. The NeoCons are really strung up about what they teach our kids about sex. Condoms can lead to aids is one of em. Hence if it leads to aids it can for pregnancy also wich is another thing they teach em.
CattyCarissa said:You evidently don't research anything.
http://www.vasectomymedical.com/vasectomy-reversal.html
or
http://www.medic8.com/healthguide/articles/vasectomyreversal.html
or
http://www.harryfisch.com/vasectomyreversal.htm
or
http://www.vasdoctor.com/
So yes it is reversable.
CattyCarissa said:You evidently don't research anything.
http://www.vasectomymedical.com/vasectomy-reversal.html
or
http://www.medic8.com/healthguide/articles/vasectomyreversal.html
or
http://www.harryfisch.com/vasectomyreversal.htm
or
http://www.vasdoctor.com/
So yes it is reversable.
Peralin said:Are you saying that condoms do not help prevent pregnancy? Because I'm pretty sure that is the main purpose of using condoms and/or birth control. If the sperm is prevented form getting to the fallopian tube, you can't have fertilization! And that's exactly what a condom is supposed to do. Not 1005 reliable, but it still helps.
Peralin said:Good point, you sure showed danielle that time. And actually, I don't think she does research anything beforehand. Usually she'll just say "get a hobby" if you try to throw facts at her, so let's see what type of response she has to back herself out of this one.
ProChoiceDanielle said:Actually the MAIN use for a condom is to prevent the spreading of diseases. Condoms are the least effective method of birth control next to the pull out method.
Peralin said:Right, I don't know what I was thinking. However, it does help, no?
Ninety Nine out of one hundred, of those who want abortion legal, are not for abortion. But are against the results of outlawing abortion. Anyone....Just anyone who remembers when, knows the reasons Roe Vs Tate won was because it was the only way open, to create safety for those who were desperate, and ultimately under the hands of the back alley killers. The sentiment has always been, better legally done under sanitary and safe conditioins, than illegally, which is what usually was done. And thousands died. Those women of higher station and wealth, were always able, and will continue to acquire abortions from other countries. our poor and ignorant were not, and will not be able and will seek out the back alley butchers where they died from hemmorages and infections. Wake up you anti abortion nuts. Find another solution than just accept the fate of human stupidity. making it illegal is a greater sin. Pax.blogger31 said:Well in the case of rape or incest it would suck big time.
But, in the case of a woman getting pregnant because of consensual sex, I say that is what the potential consequences were and you engaged willingly.
Really a silly question and maybe this was the response you were looking for to start an argument but the fact is we are all in situations that we would consider against our will, and we don't look to killing someone as the answer.
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