jimmyjack
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Wrong, when someone dies naturally they have died naturally, when you cause their death it is murder.steen said:Really, so this only applies when you get pregnant on purpose and then aborts? Ah, thanks for clarifying that.
steen said:Nope. I believe it is a CHILD at birth. Why the need for deception, for misrepresentation?
Well, very funny.:lol:
it is not my fault that you are so illiterat/dyslexix that you don't know the difference between "life" and "child." Sad, really, that you are unable to grasp even such a basic distinction.:doh
He ws just giving his opinion!vergiss said:Wow. Caps lock, anyone? I'd love to see the source for this "75%".
Give it up, Verge. You know that we believe that life starts at conception, and, if you read the entire thread, you'd see that we already distinguished the difference between a fetus and sperm/egg.vergiss said:Steen - don't forget, we were once a sperm and an egg, too. I suppose I'm murdering every time I have my period. Oh no!
STILL lying about what "murder" is, I see. How lame.jimmyjack said:Wrong, when someone dies naturally they have died naturally, when you cause their death it is murder.
Peralin said:The truth: The purpose of sexual intercourse is to reproduce.
Nope. If it is unborn, then it is NOT a child, as "child" is a developmental stage beginning at birth. I am not responsible for your ignorance on this point.Peralin said:Ok, Mr. smart guy, what is the difference? If it is alive and unborn the it has to be a child, right?
Ah yes. With enough demogogery BS, you can "prove" whatever you claim, right? The NEWS to you is that arguments are not proof. Conjecture are not proof. Scientific definitions and evidence are proof.What else could it be? (If you want to get into technical definitions I can easily prove you wrong.)
Yeah, you can "believe" anything you want. Generally, that is all that PL do anyway. "life," of course, began nearly 4 bill years ago. It is merely continued since.Peralin said:Give it up, Verge. You know that we believe that life starts at conception,
steen said:Nope. If it is unborn, then it is NOT a child, as "child" is a developmental stage beginning at birth. I am not responsible for your ignorance on this point.
But you ARE responsible for your distortion. You specifically asked:
P: I Mean If That Were The Case,when Does It Become A Child.
S: At birth.
P: now that I know that steen believes that life begins at birth.
As you can see, you outright lied. You deliberately misrepresented my views. PL liars do that kind of stuff. Are you a PL liar?
Ah yes. With enough demogogery BS, you can "prove" whatever you claim, right? The NEWS to you is that arguments are not proof. Conjecture are not proof. Scientific definitions and evidence are proof.
And here are the scientific terms:
"Life" Maintaining life functions
"Baby" A newborn, an infant. - A developmental stage beginnig after birth
"Child" The developmental stage that starts after the neonatal stage is done and lasts until adolescence
Next time you try to lie about me and claim that when I say "Child," I mean "life" you will hear A LOT MORE about how much you are lying.
Why are you guys arguing about this ****? I mean seriously, "I didn't say that?" "Oh yeah, well I didn't say this so thus you obviously said that", I've go a question: so the **** what?Peralin said:Guess what, PC? You have just completely lied. Right here:
"P: I Mean If That Were The Case,when Does It Become A Child.
S: At birth.
P: now that I know that steen believes that life begins at birth."
WRONG! I never said that first part, so don't make stuff up about me! It's no surprise that a PC would continually misquote someone, because that's all they ever do! They just lie about things! (Yes, I am only making fun of you!)
Talk about hypopcrisy! DRLH right there for you!
Exactly who was it who said that first quote? It was ultra conservative! So much for your "evidence"! Once again you have put words into my mouth. Is that really the only way that you stand a chance against PL?
galenrox said:Why are you guys arguing about this ****? I mean seriously, "I didn't say that?" "Oh yeah, well I didn't say this so thus you obviously said that", I've go a question: so the **** what?
YES, TO NOT DEAL WITH YOUR OUTRIGHT LIE ABOUT HOW I THEN CLAIMED THAT "LIFE" BEGINS AT BIRTH.Peralin said:Guess what, PC? You have just completely lied. Right here:
"P: I Mean If That Were The Case,when Does It Become A Child.
S: At birth.
P: now that I know that steen believes that life begins at birth."
WRONG! I never said that first part, so don't make stuff up about me! It's no surprise that a PC would continually misquote someone, because that's all they ever do! They just lie about things! (Yes, I am only making fun of you!)
Ah, you are right. You merely picked up the conversation from there, accusiong me of claiming life didn't start until birth, when my reply to UC was about when there was a child.Exactly who was it who said that first quote? It was ultra conservative!
Ah, yes, the initial question was a reply to UC, and I was wrong to attribute it to you. Now, when I answered him that the "child" begins at birth, it was STILL you who lied and claimed me stating that "life" begins at birth.So much for your "evidence"! Once again you have put words into my mouth.
I don't like to be lied about.galenrox said:Why are you guys arguing about this ****? I mean seriously, "I didn't say that?" "Oh yeah, well I didn't say this so thus you obviously said that", I've go a question: so the **** what?
I agree, this is stupid. But its the only way that Peralin thinks he can beat me. And he's being such a hypocrite that I felt like I had to reveal his lies. But maybe your right, maybe I am wasting my time. It seems as if Peralin will always be hypocritical.galenrox said:Why are you guys arguing about this ****?
steen said:I agree, this is stupid. But its the only way that Peralin thinks he can beat me. And he's being such a hypocrite that I felt like I had to reveal his lies. But maybe your right, maybe I am wasting my time. It seems as if Peralin will always be hypocritical.
Peralin said:Give it up, Verge. You know that we believe that life starts at conception, and, if you read the entire thread, you'd see that we already distinguished the difference between a fetus and sperm/egg.
vergiss said:I know you believe that. Why? What's to special about the two necessary parts colliding that instantly makes it human life?
Peralin said:I don't know. Actually, you could've corrected me. I believe that there is no life until the brain begins to form. Sorry for the confusion. However, the way I see it, if there is no body for the brain to develop in, it will not develop at all. So if the abortion happens before the brain begins to develop, I do not consider it murder. It is more preventing life then taking it. So it is not causing a death, just preventing a life.
I do not know if anyone else in the world agrees with my belief, and this is a new belief for me. But it is currently what I believe, and I will continue to fight against abortion.
ultra conservative said:Most(but Definitely Not All)of The Time When A Women Gets Raped She Put Herself In That Situation,she Chooses Where To Go,work,live,and Eat.
vergiss said:Disgusting, moronic pig.
vergiss said:Right. And at what point does the brain begin to form? Do you mean literally begin, or just starts to function? The majority of abortions are performed around between the 5 - 10 week mark. Seeing as embryos at that stage of development still have tails, I doubt that brain function is present.
Same goes for what your definition of a "body" is.
posted by pissy blonde
I DONT NO HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE TO SAY THIS! 8 WEEKS PREGNANT IS NOT A BABY! ITS A FOETUS! I DONT AGREE ON LATER ABORTIONS BUT IF YOU ARE 8-12 WEEKS PREGANT THEN DO WHAT YOU WANT. WE LIVE IN 2005! STOP THE RELIGIOUS CRAP AND THINK ABOUT PEOPLES FEELINGS!
ONLY a rape case would qualify. If I messed around and slipped up with someone I liked at least enough to let him into my goodies(or invite him in) I would stand up to my responsibilities and pay the piper for the song I've been freely enjoying. Rape victims will get no guff from me about an abortion, as they truly are pregnant against their will, and carrying a rapist's child would, to me, be like getting raped again every day of the pregnancy. I will quote a pro-choicer I've been arguing with of late: "I think there should be candy machines full of RU-486 in every gas station in America." I agree. This would make the entire abortion debate moot. It would terminate a possible pregnancy in a stage that is no more traumatic physically for the mother than her menstrual cycle, it would rescue the child from even the most zealotous pro-lifer's definition of pain and it would definitely ease the lifelong emotional damage to the woman. Unfortunately, I also think it would lead to an explosion of promiscuity and STD's. But when was the last time you got the good without the bad?ProChoiceDanielle said:Huh? How would you like it?
This question is especially aimed at Pro life MEN. How would you like to be pregnant against your will?
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