How we know democrats are full of crap

[Daddyo]

There's no such thing, why do you make it up? It's a choice for women that need it. Kids "everywhere" are suffering, women "suffer" and the unborn suffer nothing. If you reduce it aaalllllll the way to it's most basic moral argument...that "choice" is the most humane for women and the unborn. It's certainly immoral for strangers or the govt to unnecessarily impose pain and suffering on women without our consent.




Well your understanding is poor. Food and medicine did indeed get thru to millions of African children. Despite corruption and disasters and war.

It helped in some measure to overcome the suffering from all those things. This isnt complicated.

Abortion is the killing of a baby in the womb. No matter how much cotton candy you spin around it, it’s still murder.

And I asked you a direct question. How does the U.S. impact kids in Africa to the point that you blame us for their plight?

No my understanding is not poor. You just admitted that aid got thru despite the corruption, war, and disaster. You are admitting that those things hamper aid so they certainly are the reason for that plight to begin with.

Still waiting for you to educate me on how this evil
Country causes African kids to suffer.

 

[Daddyo]

So explain why our soldiers in the military prosecuted some of our soldiers for war crimes. Explain why post WWII the Allies hanged some German soldiers for war crimes committed in occupied Europe.

Because some soldiers do commit war crimes.

Because Germans did commit war crimes against our soldiers who followed the Geneva convention and wore our uniform.

Insurgents are not covered if they violate the convention. Which was the point.

Why do you come down on the side of our enemy and illegals? Why not just move of your hate this country so much?

 

[Daddyo]

Thank you.

TCanadians do go to the US for medical treatments...here is the Canadian Medical Association's explanation why: at : https://www.cma.ca/healthcare-for-real/how-many-canadians-go-us-health-care:

"Wait times vary by types of treatment and by jurisdiction. ... on average, over 90% of patients receive care within the four-week recommended maximum wait time for radiation therapy, but only 59% and 66% receive a knee replacement and hip replacement (respectively) within the prescribed 26-month recommended maximum wait time. .... Unfortunately, there isn’t enough data for us to figure out if Canadians are really going to the U.S. for health care."

Here is info on wait time comparisons:

Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada, 2024 Report

www.fraserinstitute.org

Canadians still waiting for timely access to care - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Here is an explanation for Canadian wait times:

"Wait times to see surgeons and other specialists can be unpredictable because each one keeps their own list of patients waiting for treatment. Plus, the doctor referring you might not know how busy one specialist is compared to others. ...depends on a few things"

• How many patients doctors send their way. You might wait longer for specialists who get a lot of referrals.
• How many complex cases they handle. Treating complex patients can take longer, so the wait might be longer, too. "1

1-

Why do Canadians wait so long for specialist doctors?

Wait times are long for specialist doctors in Canada because of high demand. Learn more!

www.cma.ca

Please before you make sweeping assumptions about our medical system research it:

10 Myths About Canadian Health Care, Busted | Physicians for a National Health Program

An orgaization of 16,000 American physicians advocating for single-payer national health insurance.

pnhp.org

Exposing Lies About Canadian Health Care | The Rag Blog

To summarize here is an article that directly repudiates the sweeping assumption of Canadians abandoning Canada for medical care:

"Myth #1: Canadians are flocking to the United States to get medical care.


....The most comprehensive study I’ve seen on this topic — ipublished in the peer-reviewed journal Health Affairs, “Phantoms in the Snow: Canadians’ Use of Health Care Services in the United States,” Health Affairs, May 2002.

.. authors of the study started by surveying 136 ambulatory care facilities near the U.S.-Canada border in Michigan, New York and Washington. .....about 80% of facilities saw, on average, fewer than 1Canadian per month; about 40 % had seen none in the preceding year...

...researchers looked at how many Canadians were discharged over a five-year period from acute-care hospitals in the same three states..... found that more than 80% of hospital visits were for emergency room care ....only about 20 % of visits for elective care...

...the study surveyed America’s 20 “best” hospitals — as identified by U.S. News & World Report ....only 1 of the 11 hospitals saw more than 60 Canadians in a year (including) both emergencies and elective care....

...study’ examined data from the 18,000 Canadians who participated in the National Population Health Survey-in the previous year, only 20 of them, however, reported going to the United States expressively for the purpose of obtaining care...

2-source for the above: https://www.aarp.org/government-elections/myths-canada-health-care-2012/

I provided you with the numbers leaving for healthcare. Americans leave for healthcare. It happens. The reason for leaving differs however. For us it’s costs for you it’s wait times.

 

[Nickyjo]

Because some soldiers do commit war crimes.

Because Germans did commit war crimes against our soldiers who followed the Geneva convention and wore our uniform.

Insurgents are not covered if they violate the convention. Which was the point.

Why do you come down on the side of our enemy and illegals? Why not just move of your hate this country so much?

I come down on the side of the law. Because as far as I know, laws covers everyone, insurgents included. If insurgents are not covered by treaties, there are other laws. That’s why everyone from Patty Hearst to the Jan 6 insurgents were prosecuted.

 

[Nickyjo]

You didn’t have to inform illegals of their rights. Law enforcement is obligated to inform of Miranda upon arresting. So your Bundy comparison is horseshit.

Now had you educated Bundy on how to avoid being arrested or avoid leaving evidence you essentially would have a better comparison to what you did.

Your cheerful thwarting of Trumps border policy cost lives. Pretty pathetic bud. The almost instant transition by illegals to follow the information you and others provided caused a massive spike in illegals released into this country. Illegals who would have been turned away. Some went on to commit rape, robbery, assault, and yes murder. You sir are obviously responsible even though there is no way to prove how many crimes the folks you personally taught how to game the system committed.

What you did was treason. And you just admitted to doing it specifically to harm Americas border policy. So you knew what you were doing was against this country. You had to know the financial burden. You certainly should have known the crime burden. It’s a shame that we have people like you here stabbing us in the back. Pathetic and treasonous.

So now it’s treason to inform migrants of their rights? So ICE personnel are guilty as well for allowing us to talk to detainees and let them know of their rights? Ditto US immigration judges who invited me to speak at to their conventions, who flew me to Guantanamo, also were?

As to harming US border policy, last time I was involved on the border in El Paso we worked with US border officials who actually transported migrants to our shelter each day. Also treasonous? Trump was president at the time and didn’t complain. His military on the border volunteered to help, coming by the shelter in their free time.

 

[Lursa]

Abortion is the killing of a baby in the womb. No matter how much cotton candy you spin around it, it’s still murder.

State-sanctioned murder? Do we have that for any born people? Where a mother/her doctor can just kill a her toddler or teen?

Somehow, I think you are mistaken. Why do state's legally allow this, with no due process? The Dobbs decision spelled that out clearly.

Anti-choicers seemed to be very happy with the decision.

And I asked you a direct question. How does the U.S. impact kids in Africa to the point that you blame us for their plight?

I didnt think it was a serious question. I can spell it out for you since you need it. Those children have become dependent on those medications...like anyone here who is on maintance medications for conditions.

It's similar with food...with that generous donation from the US, they can have enough food to support families, more than they can produce for themselves, and enable children to go to school, be able to learn with a full stomach instead of being hungry, can actually go to school instead of having to stay home to work fields or tend animals, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.

Do you need more examples? We developed that dependency. If we're going to change that, it should be gradual so that they can adapt and start making up the differences with other resources or efforts. Not just rip them away and leave them high and dry. What do you think that does to kids that are on daily meds to survive or function in society?

No my understanding is not poor. You just admitted that aid got thru despite the corruption, war, and disaster. You are admitting that those things hamper aid so they certainly are the reason for that plight to begin with.

Only MAGA would not realize that if no aid got thru corruption, war, and disaster, no one would bother providing at all

MAGA needs the simple black and white tho, that's clear.

Still waiting for you to educate me on how this evil
Country causes African kids to suffer.

See above.

 

[Lursa]

The exemption for abortion? Murder exempt lol. Means it’s a baby being killed only mommy gets to do it without punishment.

They don’t charge you with murder for killing someone livestock or pet. They only charge you with murder when you kill a human. You know this.

And the law is clear…..murder is the killing of one human by another.

Wrong. Homicide is killing of one person by another. We have lots of legal homicide...self defense, pulling the plug, abortion, etc.

Federal fetal homicide laws arent "murder." And yes...you managed to repeat it correctly...so if it was "murder," why can the pregnant woman still "murder" it legally?

 

[Greenbeard]

https://waysandmeans.house.gov/2012...n-claims-can-already-afford-health-insurance/




https://www.kff.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/8023-r.pdf

There seems to be some sort of reading comprehension or literacy issue since neither of those sources ever claim the subsidies were available in 2012 (since they weren't). The KFF resource very clearly uses the future tense to refer to the premium subsidies, though I'm assuming you were tripped up by the reference to KFF providing the then-contemporaneous 2012 poverty threshold for illustrative purposes.

What I find most perplexing is not that you're misreading so many sources (and seem incapable of simply typing "when did the Obamacare subsidies become available" into Google), but that you claim to have been an adult during this time period, have very strong opinions about it, and supposedly were directly involved in looking for insurance during this period and yet are completely unfamiliar with basic facts like when the subsidies became available.

But here, let me help you since you're struggling.

The Affordable Care Act

PART I—PREMIUM TAX CREDITS AND COST-SHARING REDUCTIONS
Subpart A—Premium Tax Credits and Cost-sharing Reductions
SEC. 1401. REFUNDABLE TAX CREDIT PROVIDING PREMIUM ASSISTANCE FOR COVERAGE UNDER A QUALIFIED HEALTH PLAN.
[...]
(e) EFFECTIVE DATE.—The amendments made by this section shall apply to taxable years ending after December 31, 2013.

The IRS

Beginning in 2014, under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, Public Law 111-148 (124 Stat. 119 (2010)), and the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010, Public Law 111-152 (124 Stat. 1029 (2010)) (collectively, PPACA), eligible individuals who purchase coverage under a qualified health plan through a Health Insurance Exchange (Exchange) established under Section 1311 of the PPACA may claim a premium tax credit under section 36B of the Code.

The Congressional Research Service

Legal challenges that may have a substantial impact on the implementation and operation of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA) concern whether premium tax credits are available for millions of individuals participating in federally administered health insurance exchanges. These credits, which became available in 2014, are intended to help individuals pay the premiums for private health plans offered through the insurance exchanges established under the act.

The White House - OMB Historical Table 8.5
(Note there are no outlays for ACA premium or cost-sharing subsidies prior to 2014, since they weren't available before then.)

I’m done debating this with you. Nothing I post that clearly says there were subsidies in 2012 seems to change anything with you.

I am concerned that you think you have at it some point posted something that clearly says there were ACA subsidies available in 2012. Anyway, your narrative is false, things you "know" are false, core defining beliefs you seem to hold are false. Worth some reflection on your part!

 

[Daddyo]

Precisely what percentage of those being deported are running around committing heinous crimes?

They are deporting the person who cooks at you local restaurant. The guy who sells melons from a cart on your corner every morning. The other guy who picked that melon. The people your contractor picks up who repaired your deck.

That’s the vast majority of those they are deporting.

Hey, IF they were actually limiting this to picking out, sweeping up, and carting off the 1%-3% who are committing crimes I’d be all for it. Send them back, please. You’re sending back the folks who clean my house, picks my produce, cooks the food at the restaurant I go to, manicures my lawn, fixes my roof, etc., etc., and when they are fine they go home and try to figure out how to use all this to improve their lives. I don’t want them deported and neither does anyone else with half a brain. I thank them for doing a good job, throw them a few extra bucks when they do it well, which is almost always, and hope they get to where they want to go to make room for the next folks who use the help they provide me, and what they charge me for it, to get a leg up.

We aren’t discussing those being deported. We are discussing the crimes committed by those 10 plus million Nickyjo helped teach how to game the system to stay when they would have been sent home before entering.

They are deporting illegals. Exactly what would happen to you if in Mexico or any other country illegally. They need to be deported it’s the law. Like has been said to me if you don’t like the law change it. Until then we are a country of laws and they need to be obeyed.

So you should probably hire a legal immigrant to clean your house bud. Or maybe hire a ****ing American. Businesses should hire LEGAL immigrants or even ****ing better Americans.

Do you understand that they have broken the law and jump the line ahead of others trying to come legally? You would likely start a fight with someone trying to get ahead of you in line for a hamburger and fries yet you haven’t a problem with others doing it. If these illegals you desperately protect were future Republican voters you would have a major problem with them. If they were massing in red states giving those states more U.S. congressional seats again you would have a different opinion. If their costs to government in the form of welfare and policing were born by you and only those who are okay with them being here illegally, again you would have a problem. If the minuscule violent crime they cause was all aimed at only those like you who want them here, your mind would quickly change. But hey as it stands now nothing bad from them affects you personally, financially, or physically so you could care less about those it does effect. Pathetic bud. As long as you lawn guy isn’t deported right? Sickening.

 

[Nickyjo]

We aren’t discussing those being deported. We are discussing the crimes committed by those 10 plus million Nickyjo helped teach how to game the system to stay when they would have been sent home before entering.

They are deporting illegals. Exactly what would happen to you if in Mexico or any other country illegally. They need to be deported it’s the law. Like has been said to me if you don’t like the law change it. Until then we are a country of laws and they need to be obeyed.

So you should probably hire a legal immigrant to clean your house bud. Or maybe hire a ****ing American. Businesses should hire LEGAL immigrants or even ****ing better Americans.

Do you understand that they have broken the law and jump the line ahead of others trying to come legally? You would likely start a fight with someone trying to get ahead of you in line for a hamburger and fries yet you haven’t a problem with others doing it. If these illegals you desperately protect were future Republican voters you would have a major problem with them. If they were massing in red states giving those states more U.S. congressional seats again you would have a different opinion. If their costs to government in the form of welfare and policing were born by you and only those who are okay with them being here illegally, again you would have a problem. If the minuscule violent crime they cause was all aimed at only those like you who want them here, your mind would quickly change. But hey as it stands now nothing bad from them affects you personally, financially, or physically so you could care less about those it does effect. Pathetic bud. As long as you lawn guy isn’t deported right? Sickening.

Since my name was mentioned, I must repeat that I, along with non-profit agencies often funded by church groups, the border patrol and immigration judges — all of us — informed migrants of their rights, even warning those who did not meet the criteria for asylum or who had no other equites that might slow them to remain, that they might be detained for months if they contested their removal, and then deported anyway.

 

[Daddyo]

I come down on the side of the law. Because as far as I know, laws covers everyone, insurgents included. If insurgents are not covered by treaties, there are other laws. That’s why everyone from Patty Hearst to the Jan 6 insurgents were prosecuted.

Just not illegals lol. Illegals get a pass by you.

You ignore laws you don’t like or agree with. You probably believe ICE is wrong and bad lol. You didn’t like our immigration law and went out of your way to help illegals get around that law by teaching them to claim, true or not, that they were being persecuted at home. So please don’t come here like your shit doesn’t stink and proclaim that you are all about the LAW. That is a lie.

Trump breaks the law with top secret documents and you wanted him put under the jail. Biden has top secret documents, with zero authority to ever have had them to begin with, multiple felonies, and you defended him and the lack of prosecution of him. Just another one that jumped into my head.

 

[Nickyjo]

Just not illegals lol. Illegals get a pass by you.

You ignore laws you don’t like or agree with. You probably believe ICE is wrong and bad lol. You didn’t like our immigration law and went out of your way to help illegals get around that law by teaching them to claim, true or not, that they were being persecuted at home. So please don’t come here like your shit doesn’t stink and proclaim that you are all about the LAW. That is a lie.

Trump breaks the law with top secret documents and you wanted him put under the jail. Biden has top secret documents, with zero authority to ever have had them to begin with, multiple felonies, and you defended him and the lack of prosecution of him. Just another one that jumped into my head.

First, check your facts. Biden — and Pence returned the documents when discovered. Trump held them for, I believe, over a year ignoring a subpoena. Did you notice the difference between Biden/Pence and Trump?

And what makes you think illegals get a pass from me? What does that even mean. I did no more than did many other advocates, no more than the Border Patrol or immigration judges. I have thank you letters from the latter to prove it.

 

[Daddyo]

So now it’s treason to inform migrants of their rights? So ICE personnel are guilty as well for allowing us to talk to detainees and let them know of their rights? Ditto US immigration judges who invited me to speak at to their conventions, who flew me to Guantanamo, also were?

As to harming US border policy, last time I was involved on the border in El Paso we worked with US border officials who actually transported migrants to our shelter each day. Also treasonous? Trump was president at the time and didn’t complain. His military on the border volunteered to help, coming by the shelter in their free time.

You admitted that you educated the migrants to counter Americas border policy. All because of your hatred of Trump who was elected to lead our country as president and your dislike of that border policy. Allow me to explain……. You actively and intentionally worked against your own country’s border policy.

Treason……”the crime of betraying one's country”!

What you admitted proves without a doubt that you were treasonous.

While I don’t believe that you knew that your efforts would lead to the rape and murder of innocent Americans, it certainly did. The ****ed up part is that I truly believe that you don’t give even a 1/2 shit about those innocent Americans. That’s sad but seems to be a trait of leftists, zero sympathy or empathy. Agenda at all costs.

 

[Daddyo]

State-sanctioned murder? Do we have that for any born people? Where a mother/her doctor can just kill a her toddler or teen?

Somehow, I think you are mistaken. Why do state's legally allow this, with no due process? The Dobbs decision spelled that out clearly.

Anti-choicers seemed to be very happy with the decision.



I didnt think it was a serious question. I can spell it out for you since you need it. Those children have become dependent on those medications...like anyone here who is on maintance medications for conditions.

It's similar with food...with that generous donation from the US, they can have enough food to support families, more than they can produce for themselves, and enable children to go to school, be able to learn with a full stomach instead of being hungry, can actually go to school instead of having to stay home to work fields or tend animals, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.

Do you need more examples? We developed that dependency. If we're going to change that, it should be gradual so that they can adapt and start making up the differences with other resources or efforts. Not just rip them away and leave them high and dry. What do you think that does to kids that are on daily meds to survive or function in society?


Only MAGA would not realize that if no aid got thru corruption, war, and disaster, no one would bother providing at all

MAGA needs the simple black and white tho, that's clear.



See above.

Yes the death penalty.

States allow abortion because they had to and some now want to.

You said that the U.S. contributed to the plight of those poor African kids who are starving. Now your response is that we pulled our funding which is making them go hungry again. I want to know what we did to cause them to go hungry in the first place which is what you said we in part caused.

From my vantage point we saved millions of people despite all the things against them. We saved them we didn’t cause their problems.
BTW France, Germany, and the Netherlands all cut African aid last year by 30 percent. Not a peep from anyone on how they were killing Africans. We just cut aid by 30 percent and still help at massive levels compared to the other countries yet for us we are considered the bad guys even by our own citizens like you lol.

 

[Daddyo]

Wrong. Homicide is killing of one person by another. We have lots of legal homicide...self defense, pulling the plug, abortion, etc.

Federal fetal homicide laws arent "murder." And yes...you managed to repeat it correctly...so if it was "murder," why can the pregnant woman still "murder" it legally?

The point is that murder is killing of one human by another. Since kicking a pregnant woman and causing a miscarriage gets you charged with murder it seems that the zygote is more than just a clump of cells.

 

[Nickyjo]

You admitted that you educated the migrants to counter Americas border policy. All because of your hatred of Trump who was elected to lead our country as president and your dislike of that border policy. Allow me to explain……. You actively and intentionally worked against your own country’s border policy.

Treason……”the crime of betraying one's country”!

What you admitted proves without a doubt that you were treasonous.

While I don’t believe that you knew that your efforts would lead to the rape and murder of innocent Americans, it certainly did. The ****ed up part is that I truly believe that you don’t give even a 1/2 shit about those innocent Americans. That’s sad but seems to be a trait of leftists, zero sympathy or empathy. Agenda at all costs.

First of all, I did this work of informing people of their rights during the times of Reagan, Bush, Bush 2, and Clinton. During Trump’s time I spent a few weeks on the border dealing with people the immigration service itself had already approved to enter the US.

Secondly, US border policy - if we can define it as that - includes the right to apply for asylum. It also includes permission to visit as a tourist, in some cases to be united with family, etc.

Third, strangely, as I noted in previous posts, US officials did not arrest, indict, detain, or even criticize me for doing so. Instead I got cooperation and letters of praise for my work. Go figure.

 

[Mika-El]

I provided you with the numbers leaving for healthcare. Americans leave for healthcare. It happens. The reason for leaving differs however. For us it’s costs for you it’s wait times.

For sure the stats show that. The reality is both systems have their short comings and strengths. The main issue in the states is what happens to those who can not afford any medical insurance. For Canadians it can e the wait time but I can tell you if I have a life threatening disease in need of immediate emergency intervention its trioched to th front of the line. However to be clear- people with certain kinds of chronic and benign conditions may have to wait longer than an American for a life saving surgery.

There are also a lot of state of the art treatments you can pay for in the US but are not covered in Canada because we do not have them unless you pay a private clinic for them.

Just as an aside, in Canada for prostate cancer, they give radiation beam therapy that shoots a beam right to the cells. However under the British medical system they use lasers. In the states if you pay you get laser or freezing or radiation beam. The problem is we get early detection a screening in Canada and Britain for it including PSAtests, but in the states you do not. Our early screening means we avoid diseases you get in the US and engage in early prevention explaining our lower mortality rates with cancer now. Some women with breast and cervical cancer have had to wait too long. It depends on where you live and where you have to travel to.

Because I live in a very large suburb I can see a specialist within 4 weeks. My cardiologist or urologist will see me asap if its certain symptoms. The real long term wait anywhere in Canada is for a psychiatrist. It can be a 6 month wait and even then they see you 5 minutes and throw some pills at you. Psychological counseling, physiotherapy, chiropractic treatments are not covered under or medical coverage.

Like the US, the majority of our inmates in jail have mental illness and substance abuse.

Fentanyl is now a huge problem in Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal and most of it comes from China and the US.

Less that 1% of fentanyl in the US came across from Canada.

Fentanyl is so powerful the people on it literally rot themselves. Their skin falls off. This means for them to rely on sex trade to feed the habit does not last long. They are so scabbed and open sored, they can't do that.

When I worked as a prosecutor, heroin addiction or cocaine addiction and alcoholism were the big ones. On those three people could live for years and even work. The ones on the street usually had a mental illness as well.

In both our countries such people have and continue to slip through the safety net. I was part of an effort in both the US and Canada that tried to create alternative courts for the mentally ill and substance abusers. It just did not work. The people we tried on their first offence to re-route to half way rehab. homes j ust did not stay clean.

 

[Lursa]

Yes the death penalty.

You were clearly implying that abortion (in blue states) is state-sanctioned murder. Please respond honestly. The DP is not murder...so you're wrong right there.

Please answer again more directly and in good faith:

​

State-sanctioned murder? Do we have that for any born people? Where a mother/her doctor can just kill a her toddler or teen?​

​

Somehow, I think you are mistaken. Why do state's legally allow this, with no due process?

The Dobbs decision spelled that out clearly (that states may allow women/their drs killing her unborn). That means it's legal in those states, and not murder. Anti-choicers seemed to be very happy with the decision.​

​

Btw, no states have criminalized having an abortion as murder. None. Again...have you considered why not? Only providing them and even then it's not usually murder, it's about losing a medical license. Is that the case for killing 2 yr olds? 6 yr olds? 13 yr olds?

It's not debate if you dont honestly address the realities here, so I choose to stick to them. In good faith.

States allow abortion because they had to and some now want to.

All states still allow a woman to have an abortion...she can take pills or go to another state and there are no legal penalties. Surely that's another indication to you that abortion is not 'murder?'

 

[Lursa]

You said that the U.S. contributed to the plight of those poor African kids who are starving. Now your response is that we pulled our funding which is making them go hungry again. I want to know what we did to cause them to go hungry in the first place which is what you said we in part caused.

Oh, colonization and exploitation. Are you not aware of these things? Sorry, I thought you'd have known that.

And we did contribute even to countries were werent responsible for exploitation (our conflicts with other countries OVER their resources are part of that.), when we provided humanitarian aid...we created a dependency. This is what I spelled out clearly for you...what part of it didnt you understand?

From my vantage point we saved millions of people despite all the things against them. We saved them we didn’t cause their problems.

And by yanking away those resources without warning and enabling them the time and means to replace them, we're now contributing to more suffering and death. It could have been a more gradual weaning from that support.

I wrote this before...do you have trouble with reading comprehension?

BTW France, Germany, and the Netherlands all cut African aid last year by 30 percent. Not a peep from anyone on how they were killing Africans. We just cut aid by 30 percent and still help at massive levels compared to the other countries yet for us we are considered the bad guys even by our own citizens like you lol.

Ah, now you're moving the goal posts. Tsk tsk.

 

[Lursa]

The exemption for abortion? Murder exempt lol. Means it’s a baby being killed only mommy gets to do it without punishment.

That's what abortion is...terminating a pregnancy, which kills the unborn. That hasnt changed...that's been the definition of abortion forever. And it's been legal in the US for almost 50 yrs. In some states always.

You made zero point here, except it's apparent you dont like it.

They don’t charge you with murder for killing someone livestock or pet. They only charge you with murder when you kill a human. You know this.

The murder charge for the unborn has no impact on its legal status. It's still not a person, those laws dont recognize any rights for the unborn and abortion is still allowed.

Tell me exactly what point you are trying to make with this?

And the law is clear…..murder is the killing of one human by another.

Not always. Legal citation for that please. The law. Because killing in abortion, self-defense, pulling the plug, the death penalty are all examples of killing a human that are not "legally" murder. So if you want to keep posting that...cite it.

 

[Daddyo]

There seems to be some sort of reading comprehension or literacy issue since neither of those sources ever claim the subsidies were available in 2012 (since they weren't). The KFF resource very clearly uses the future tense to refer to the premium subsidies, though I'm assuming you were tripped up by the reference to KFF providing the then-contemporaneous 2012 poverty threshold for illustrative purposes.

What I find most perplexing is not that you're misreading so many sources (and seem incapable of simply typing "when did the Obamacare subsidies become available" into Google), but that you claim to have been an adult during this time period, have very strong opinions about it, and supposedly were directly involved in looking for insurance during this period and yet are completely unfamiliar with basic facts like when the subsidies became available.

But here, let me help you since you're struggling.

The Affordable Care Act


The IRS


The Congressional Research Service


The White House - OMB Historical Table 8.5
(Note there are no outlays for ACA premium or cost-sharing subsidies prior to 2014, since they weren't available before then.)

I am concerned that you think you have at it some point posted something that clearly says there were ACA subsidies available in 2012. Anyway, your narrative is false, things you "know" are false, core defining beliefs you seem to hold are false. Worth some reflection on your part!

“In 2012, Cost Sharing Reductions (CSRs) under the Affordable Care Act (ACA) were designed to lower out-of-pocket costs, like deductibles and copayments, for individuals and families with incomes between 100% and 250% of the Federal Poverty Level (FPL) who purchased Silver plans in the ACA marketplaces. These reductions were intended to make healthcare more affordable for those with lower incomes who were eligible for Silver plans. “

Seems that AI believes that there were silver plans in 2012 as well as subsidies. CSR’s are subsidies.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Trump is being ripped by democrats for his use of tariffs to level the playing field with respect to trade and to force countries to capitulate to things we want them to do. Democrats here on DP have begun screaming about recession and how the American people will suffer financial hardship as a result. So I did some looking to see what these tariffs would cost us Americans. Lol they amount to a 3 percent increase.

So these same democrats that want Trumps tax cuts to expire are crying over 3 percent. The tax cuts that save most folks 10 percent lol. The tariffs are raising prices and we will all suffer greatly they scream lol. Three whole percent. Yet not smart enough to understand that trumps tax cuts will reduce their income by 10 percent lol. You just can’t make this shit up.

As you can see this whole outrage from democrats leaders is nothing more than a show. They hate Trump and want him to fail and will do or say whatever necessary to achieve that objective. Even something as hypocritical and obvious as bitching about a 3 percent hike while pushing for a 10 percent hike.

Sad part is the democrats drones cackling here on DP aren’t able to figure out that they are being used and made to look completely hypocritical or ignorant.

This is also why it is so easy to destroy democrats in debate.

It's all political theater with the democrats.

They desire a 100% tax on any income under $10 million, with the government "caring for" subjects with government housing and government soup kitchens. Sleep in your 12 by 12 pod, stand in line at the government cafeteria for your gruel, and obey the rulers without question. It is the "paradise" democrats strive for.

 

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Prices going up 3% is prices rising.
Your idol said prices would drop on Day One.

They did drop, dramatically. Especially the pain points of eggs and gasoline.

democrats would increase taxes on the average American a full 10% - as opposition to the "big beautiful bill " that made the Trump tax cuts permanent show. democrats tried to sharply increase taxes on middle America - take 10% of the wealth out of the pockets of middle America so that democrats can spend it on the illegal aliens they so love.

So, maybe Trump is full of crap.

Sounds more like you are.

But, as expected, MAGA are now normalizing price increases

What price increases? Let's see evidence? We KNOW that democrats just tried to strip away 10% of the wealth of middle America. Not on a few obscure products from Canada - but across the board.

 

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Oh, the stock market crashed...


The Stalinists have lost all grip on sanity.

 

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90% of liberalism is suppression of speech and the remaining 10% is performative outrage.

Based on this thread it looks more like raving lunacy.