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How Trump fell short in containing the virus

Birx WAS NOT an enemy, at any point.

Fauci was an enemy almost out of the gate, because Trump, and most likely Pence as well, knew he was a slick, corrupt bureaucrat who didn't care about anything except his own reputation. And the political aspirations of his buddy Andrew Cuomo.

Just like the business man that gave a million dollars to Trump and got appointed as an ambassador was really a deep state never Trumper. You guys are a laugh riot.
 
Just like the business man that gave a million dollars to Trump and got appointed as an ambassador was really a deep state never Trumper. You guys are a laugh riot.

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What on Earth does this post have to do with the post you quoted?

Focus, man...
 
No, that again isn't accurate. There is no intelligence goal to their mutation. A virus simply mutates because an error occurs in replicating itself. The mutation has effects on the virus community as a consequence.

Here's an article that states this: What Happens If COVID-19 Mutates?



They do not "mutate to become less virulent".

They simply mutate due to errors in replication which simply does frequently occur with viruses by their nature.

Whether a new mutant is more or less virulent is something we humans assess.



Again, no. You ascribe too much intelligence to the virus and its mutation.

If a strong immune system defeats the virus .. it's simply defeated.

It won't "know" it needs to be "stronger" prior to being defeated, as if it could predict the future, and thus consciously "mutate" to become more resilient "and quickly spread to another before it dies".



Which is our observation, not the virus's intent.



Younger people don't have a stronger immune system, per se, even if older people might have a weakened one if they're already fending off something age-related.

Younger people have a younger more sturdy endothelium, the lining of vessels, the lymphatic system, etc. The endothelium is the first line of defense with the invading virus. A strong endothelium can hold the virus at bay while the average immune system attacks and defeats it with little affect on the person.

Older people's endothelium has been ravaged by age and is much weaker, and that's why older people more often have such severe cases of COVID-19.

Again, the virus does not mutate "to" become stronger "to combat a strong immune system. Thus a strong immune system's only affect on the virus is to cause the patient to succumb from inflammation in the lungs should a very large viral load be contracted that overwhelms the endothelium, invades the lungs, and the inflammation causes fluid to flood the lungs .. and the patient drowns.

In battling COVID-19, it is much preferable to have merely an average immune system. A really strong immune system can actually be a liability, and is how a very tiny percentage of kids can succumb to COVID-19.

Better is to have merely an average immune system .. and a very strong endothelium.

Interesting. I will have to do my own research on the subject. I based my assumptions on an interview with Dr. Gupta, which I very easily could have misinterpreted based on the way he conveyed his thoughts in the interview. I am by no means an expert on evolution or viruses.
 
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What on Earth does this post have to do with the post you quoted?

Focus, man...

It means that anyone who says anything bad about Trump is a traitor and a criminal to you. You have no shame and no independent thought. Like a zombie. Fauci is one of the top scientists in the world in the field of infectious diseases. He knows far more than Trump and you about it. If Trump had listened to him we would not be the worst country in the world with this virus and many 1000's would still be alive too.
 
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It means that anyone who says anything bad about Trump is a traitor and a criminal to you. You have no shame and no independent thought. Like a zombie. Fauci is one of the top scientists in the world in the field of infectious diseases. He know more than Trump about it than you or just about anybody.

Lol your political party dictates to you everything you think.

What post are you referring to?
 
Big mistake.

He reads off teleprompters scripted by Jeff Zucker.

The interview was on Dr. Oz and not CNN, so I am not sure his source is the same, but I do understand your concerns that it still may not be accurate for essentially the same reason.
 
It means that anyone who says anything bad about Trump is a traitor and a criminal to you. You have no shame and no independent thought. Like a zombie. Fauci is one of the top scientists in the world in the field of infectious diseases. He know more than Trump about it than you or just about anybody.

Really feel sorry for you, another anti Trump post, what on earth did he do to hurt you and your family to warrant this much hatred? Never have seen such hatred.

Arrived in your state yesterday to crowded beaches and a lot of Trump signs, I believe America believes in Trump vs the alternative
 
Interesting. I will have to do my own research on the subject. I based my assumptions on an interview with Dr. Gupta, which I very easily could have misinterpreted based on the way he conveyed his thoughts in the interview. I am by no means an expert on evolution or viruses.
I draw on my analytical and research skills and my drive to know what I'm in for in this pandemic .. but a lot of my knowledge comes from people I know in the healthcare fields who have to keep up with it all, one of whom supervises their fellow physicians in an ER that at times has been overwhelmed with COVID-19.
 
Lol your political party dictates to you everything you think.

What post are you referring to?

I don't care what party a scientist may belong to I respect his credentials and his standing among other scientists. You just care if he agrees with Trump....like a zombie.
 
Birx WAS NOT an enemy, at any point.

Fauci was an enemy almost out of the gate, because Trump, and most likely Pence as well, knew he was a slick, corrupt bureaucrat who didn't care about anything except his own reputation. And the political aspirations of his buddy Andrew Cuomo.

Well you better get word out to Trump's base because "scarf lady" has been on the hit list right next to Fauci for months now.
 
I don't care what party a scientist may belong to I respect his credentials and his standing among other scientists. You just care if he agrees with Trump....like a zombie.

Iguanaman, if you want to debate this, please point out the specific post of mine you're referring to.

There are threads about Fauci. I don't know where you want me to start.
 
Well you better get word out to Trump's base because "scarf lady" has been on the hit list right next to Fauci for months now.

For what it's worth, I like Birx.

And so does Trump BTW. The media completely took him out of context. He was calling the whole situation with Pelosi pathetic.
 
Iguanaman, if you want to debate this, please point out the specific post of mine you're referring to.

There are threads about Fauci. I don't know where you want me to start.

You don't remember writing this like 15 minutes ago in this very thread?:lamo

Fauci was an enemy almost out of the gate, because Trump, and most likely Pence as well, knew he was a slick, corrupt bureaucrat who didn't care about anything except his own reputation. And the political aspirations of his buddy Andrew Cuomo.
 
Skyfox, you all are doing the exact same thing to Trump, on a minute by minute basis.

You shoot criticisms, conjectures, and conspiracy theories at Trump left and right, and then when someone on the right does it to a Democrat the TDS kicks in and you have a hissy fit.

Every post on a message board does not need to contain proof of a suspicion or an accusation.

Thread after thread implying this is 100% Trump's fault, 0% Cuomo's, 0% Pelosi's, 0% CNNs for distracting him the whole time. You have absolutely no proof that Trump caused any of this.

See, I can prove to you that Trump called for states to liberate, while the experts were saying we need to take it slow. I can prove to you that he decided to hold a freaking rally in Tulsa and another gathering at Mt Rushmore. I can prove to you that he told us "it's one guy" or “You have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero”. I can prove to you that once he realized the virus doesn't answer to Donald J Trump then he completely switched focus just like he did after the two attempts at healthcare. I can prove to you that those 15 cases are now over 5 million. I can prove to you that certain states hit the peak and were flattening the curve but all the push to reopen absolutely played a part in the numbers exploding again. You talk about Cuomo? They've gone from #1 in cases to #4 and had a total barely over 600 yesterday.

Did Trump cause this 100% no. Has he constantly dropped the ball since his comment saying "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It's going to be just fine.".

And let's not forget these:

"China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!"

"We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five — and those people are all recuperating successfully. But we're working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it's going to have a very good ending for us … that I can assure you,"

"Just had a long and very good conversation by phone with President Xi of China. He is strong, sharp and powerfully focused on leading the counterattack on the Coronavirus. He feels they are doing very well, even building hospitals in a matter of only days. Nothing is easy, but......he will be successful, especially as the weather starts to warm & the virus hopefully becomes weaker, and then gone. Great discipline is taking place in China, as President Xi strongly leads what will be a very successful operation. We are working closely with China to help!"


Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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Nov 8, 2013
Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible.

Which has now gone to:

“I don't take responsibility at all,”

In case you're not understanding? That's not leadership. It's a guy pointing in every direction after he screwed up.

Now go ahead and show us proof of your claims. We'll wait.
 
See, I can prove to you that Trump called for states to liberate, while the experts were saying we need to take it slow. I can prove to you that he decided to hold a freaking rally in Tulsa and another gathering at Mt Rushmore. I can prove to you that he told us "it's one guy" or “You have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero”. I can prove to you that once he realized the virus doesn't answer to Donald J Trump then he completely switched focus just like he did after the two attempts at healthcare. I can prove to you that those 15 cases are now over 5 million. I can prove to you that certain states hit the peak and were flattening the curve but all the push to reopen absolutely played a part in the numbers exploding again. You talk about Cuomo? They've gone from #1 in cases to #4 and had a total barely over 600 yesterday.

Did Trump cause this 100% no. Has he constantly dropped the ball since his comment saying "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It's going to be just fine.".

And let's not forget these:










Which has now gone to:



In case you're not understanding? That's not leadership. It's a guy pointing in every direction after he screwed up.

Now go ahead and show us proof of your claims. We'll wait.

Are you people ever going to read the 10th amendment to the Constitution? You cannot take responsibility for something you don't have control over and the President is NEVER the first responder. In addition the alternative is Biden, seeing a lot of Trump signs in Florida as it appears the people are tired of the politics of personal destruction, hate rhetoric, and scare tactics!!
 
For what it's worth, I like Birx.

And so does Trump BTW. The media completely took him out of context. He was calling the whole situation with Pelosi pathetic.

Of course you do. And yes it's always somebody else's fault.

Here's some comments from her interview on Fox back on July 22.

She talks a lot but never says anything.

She’s a fraud and even her scarves can’t save her.

I dont trust Birx. She is connected to the foundations of Bill Gates.

This "Dr" is a quak and about as useful as used toilet paper

She is a waste of time. She sold out long ago in this.

I have zero doubt that if Birx continues to go on facts rather than doing a tightrope walk to please Trump? You'll be right there on the band wagon screaming that's she's a traitor and fraud. It's what Trump's base does.
 
Are you people ever going to read the 10th amendment to the Constitution? You cannot take responsibility for something you don't have control over and the President is NEVER the first responder. In addition the alternative is Biden, seeing a lot of Trump signs in Florida as it appears the people are tired of the politics of personal destruction, hate rhetoric, and scare tactics!!

Donald J Trump: Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible.

Are we now redefining what role the potus plays? I've always defined them as #1 leader but I guess not. So is he like 3rd in charge? Maybe 5th or 6th?
 
Of course you do. And yes it's always somebody else's fault.
Fauci, Pelosi, and CNN were undermining every minute of Trump’s efforts.

Do you hold Andrew Cuomo responsible for not having his hospitals, airports, and nursing homes prepared?

Do you blame Obama for the recession of 2009? What, it’s Bush’s fault?

I guess it’s always someone else’s fault, Skyfox.
 
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Our political parties are destroying this country to gain power. I have the left telling me that if I congregate in large crowds protesting I am perfectly safe but if I go to work I will spread this virus. It is the politics by the left that are spreading this pandemic in order to regain the presidency. I wouldn't believed it if I didn't see it with my own eyes. Even in my home state the left sent infected patients back into our nursing homes kill our loved ones. The primary cause of deaths from this virus in our state and now Biden has a commercial trying to blame their actions on Trump. Unbeievable.


By political will I am

At the least take the virus seriously and put resources into it. Check up on progress of testing just. Have plans to contain it early and deal with the infected so that spreading is limited. The could have easily done as good as Germany with effective planning from the top down ( ie the Fed and Trump). That would not have been hard.
The feds failed, leading to the states failing leading to local failure.

Combine it all, not only did the economy tank but the covid response done poorly. Among the worst of both worlds
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Which Democrats have told you that congregating in large crowds is "perfectly safe"? It is true that the virus spread more easily indoors but no one has said the protesting was safe. Use you head for a change and wear a mask when you are indoors in a public place.

I am not worried about the virus at all. I am worried about the idiot left leaders destroying our economy.
 
By political will I am

At the least take the virus seriously and put resources into it. Check up on progress of testing just. Have plans to contain it early and deal with the infected so that spreading is limited. The could have easily done as good as Germany with effective planning from the top down ( ie the Fed and Trump). That would not have been hard.
The feds failed, leading to the states failing leading to local failure.

Combine it all, not only did the economy tank but the covid response done poorly. Among the worst of both worlds
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How do you track the virus when you have millions of idiots out their protesting without a clue who gave it to them or who they are giving it to. Sure when these idiots protesting come home and spread it to their family and friends and kill loved ones we can test and track it but how do you test all these protesters to see who has it and who they are spreading it to. Please. When you have millions of people every day possibly infected possibly spreading it to any of millions of other people day after day week after week month after month testing is useless.
 
Thank the anti-American ALEC GOP for COVID 19 plus 170,000 deaths. The ALEC GOP did nothing for more than 3 years .

It did not need to be this way!!! The ALEC GOP is still ill prepared.

The Trump administration is ill-prepared for a global pandemic
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...605bc6-1a49-11e7-9887-1a5314b56a08_story.html

April 8, 2017 The Trump administration has failed to fill crucial public health positions across the government, leaving the nation ill-prepared to face one of its greatest potential threats:

Trump was warned in January of Covid-19's devastating impact, memos reveal

Economic adviser gave worst-case scenario of 500,000 deaths .....Trump claimed no one could have predicted disease’s severity
Trump was warned in January of Covid-19's devastating impact, memos reveal | World news | The Guardian

Dr. Fauci Warned In 2017 Of ‘Surprise Outbreak’ During Trump ...
Dr. Fauci Warned In 2017 Of ‘Surprise Outbreak’ During Trump Administration | HuffPost

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the U.S. government’s top infectious disease specialist, warned in early 2017 that a “surprise outbreak” would occur during the Trump administration, and he said
that more needed to be done to prepare for a pandemic.
 
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