How Trump fell short in containing the virus

[PIPEWRENCH]

If Democrats had been in charge, we'd be going through the Great Depression 2.0

They have already got us in a depression. They are shutting down our economy and supporting terrorist spreading this pandemic in order to win an election.

 

[SkyFox76]

These statements prove to me that you didn't follow the specifics of what the task force was doing. They sound like CNN talking points.

You do understand that Pence is the head of the task force. He worked closely with Birx, Hahn, and others the entire time. Why no comments about Pence?

Are you implying that Trump was not following Pence's advice?

I've made comments on Pence before. He was the adult in the room and was able to answer questions without storming out in a tantrum.

As I said I only watch one new briefing. Pence was nowhere to be seen. Not were any experts including Birx. So is pence now giving the briefings? Does he have Birx and others up their with him?

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

Would anything the WHO said have changed the US response to Covid 19?

China locked down Wuhan and Hubei province on Jan 23. Other than travel bans from China and a poor response to develop a testing kit what did the US do to plan for the virus for the next month and a half?

The government cannot stop a pandemic when millions of people are intentionally spreading it.

 

[ReubenSherr]

I've made comments on Pence before. He was the adult in the room and was able to answer questions without storming out in a tantrum.

As I said I only watch one new briefing. Pence was nowhere to be seen. Not were any experts including Birx. So is pence now giving the briefings? Does he have Birx and others up their with him?

Pence has been in charge of the scientific portion of the briefings the entire time. CNN and MSNBC cut off their coverage, in nearly every briefing, after Trump gave up the mic to Pence.

I was responding to your claim, which is now a liberal talking point, about Trump ignoring science. Pence worked closely with experts the entire time, and Trump went along with Pence's decisions.

The core of all this is that Fauci is slick, bureaucratic, and corrupt, many Republicans can't stand him, including Trump, Jim Jordan, and Rand Paul. Did you see the statement he made last week claiming that people questioned him because they had a hard time with "authority" lol? Like we all consider Fauci the authority?

Liberals need to stop this "Trump ignores science" rant, when they mean "Trump ignores Fauci."

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

The government cannot stop a pandemic when millions of people are intentionally spreading it.

It can if it had the political will

 

[Bullseye]

The lost days of summer: How Trump fell short in containing the virus

165,000+ US COVID deaths. Donald Trump shrugs "It is what it is."



This is what happens when science-deniers occupy the highest rungs of our federal government.

Political ideology rides roughshod over empirical knowledge, and tens of thousands of Americans perish needlessly.

It wasn't "science deniers" in the White House that caused the problems; it was the science deniers that took advantage of lessened restrictions to go hog wild. It was protestors/anarchists. Spring breakers, massive groups of people partying. THOSE are you villains.

And, of course, if he HAD employed Federal LEO to round people up and force them to don masks and scurry back inside, you'd have bitched about that too.

 

[iguanaman]

If Democrats had been in charge, we'd be going through the Great Depression 2.0

We have the highest unemployment rate since the Great Depression now AND 25% of the Covid 19 cases in the whole world.

 

[ReubenSherr]

So what you're saying is, "Hoover did a really good job and didn't leave a mess for FDR"?

Pelosi, had she been in charge in March, would have created the Great Depression 2.0.

 

[Risky Thicket]

If Democrats had been in charge, we'd be going through the Great Depression 2.0

If, coulda, woulda, shoulda didn't happen. The Democrats are not in charge. No one knows what would have happened if the Democrats had won the election.

Trump is in the White House. Given the fact that he is incapable, incompetent and insane there remains a possibility that he will **** up the economy like he ****ed up America's response to COVID.

 

[iguanaman]

I do have one complaint about Trump's handling of the pandemic: he really needed to emphasize keeping the elderly and the infirm safe and maybe segregated from the more riskier Gen. Z crowd and New Millennials under about 32 years of age who tend to think they're COVID-19 bullet-proof .. .. though, admittedly, the WHO and CDC had already communicated that the elderly and infirm were at risk and basic common sense was likely sufficient for people to figure out for themselves they needed to be self-protective .. plus emphasizing this danger could have lead to panic, and the President's primary goal was to avoid panic in a situation where all that could really be done was being done.

But otherwise, I'd like you to imagine that back in January and early February President Trump knew:

1) COVID-19 is 16.57 times more deadly than the flu.
2) Immunity by any means lasts only 3-6 months.
3) It's super contagious and likely to mutate into an even more contagious form.
4) Herd immunity is thus logically simply not possible.
5) As the virus mutates and becomes more infectious it will thereby eventually become less deadly like the common cold and then and only then can we go back to our old normal no matter how long that takes.
6) The only way for the virus to mutate is to spread.
7) It was analyzed six ways from Sunday, but there simply is no reasonable way to snuff the virus out with a national quarantine and border seal with the military donned in protective gear doing all essential jobs and food delivery to everyone else in their home for 21-28 days.
8) We must avoid communicating panic to everyone, which requires the President appear aloof about the whole thing .. while, yes, hundreds of thousands of Americans will die .. about which there really is nothing that can be done, because shutting the economy down with partial quarantines that we realize many right wingers won't abide by and thus will fail to accomplish its goal, cause a third of the workforce or more to lose their job, exacerbate the homeless problem and our national debt, and is thus simply not worth doing, plus it will also slow the mutation process and delay the virus mutating to a less deadly common-cold form.
9) Thus we wait it out, encouraging immunotherapy and vaccine development .. while exhibiting an attitude of "What, me panic?".

Yes, Trump knew all this from the onset, as all the previous validating analysis and studies were already in.

Now, given the facts as I have just stated them .. what more do you think Trump could have done?

Yes you are right without a viable leader we had no chance of having the results of other nations who had the same information as Trump and were able to bring the virus under control. That is why Trump must go. The very idea that we must have 1/4 of the worlds cases and deaths so we can get the virus to mutate until it is harmless is completely INSANE. You are a full-fledged member of the Trump death cult.

A faster response could have prevented most U.S. Covid-19 deaths - STAT

 

[ReubenSherr]

We have the highest unemployment rate since the Great Depression now AND 25% of the Covid 19 cases in the whole world.

The currently unemployment rate is 10.2%, Obama facilitated an unemployment rate of 10.0% in 2009.

If Pelosi were in charge, the unemployment rate would be around 20%. As you can tell by looking at deep blue states and their current unemployment numbers.

Our COVID death reate is lower than most countries in the European Union. You all were the ones that wouldn't shut up about proactive testing on a massive scale. Now that we're doing it, don't use it against us lol.

 

[Luce]

Pelosi, had she been in charge in March, would have created the Great Depression 2.0.

Prove that.

 

[ReubenSherr]

Prove that.

Prove that if Biden, or Pelosi, had been in office, they would have done a better job.

You all have thread after thread criticizing Trump, and almost nothing proving that your party would have done any better.

Cowardly Joe hid in his freaking basement the entire time.

Pelosi threw up her hands and said "It's in God's Hands now". This was her virus response.

 

[Luce]

Prove that if Biden, or Pelosi, had been in office, they would have done a better job.

You all have thread after thread criticizing Trump, and almost nothing proving that your party would have done any better.

Reuben, you made a claim.

Are you now saying you can't back up your claim?

 

[ReubenSherr]

Reuben, you made a claim.

Are you now saying you can't back up your claim?

Luce, you made a claim, that Trump is fumbling the virus response. The implication is that Democrats would have done better.

Are you now saying you can't back up your claim?

 

[Luce]

Luce, you made a claim, that Trump is fumbling the virus response. The implication is that Democrats would have done better.

Are you now saying you can't back up your claim?

Okay, you can't back up your claim. That's all I needed to know. Your posts are literally a waste of time.

 

[iguanaman]

The currently unemployment rate is 10.2%, Obama facilitated an unemployment rate of 10.0% in 2009.

If Pelosi were in charge, the unemployment rate would be around 20%. As you can tell by looking at deep blue states and their current unemployment numbers.

Our COVID death reate is lower than most countries in the European Union. You all were the ones that wouldn't shut up about proactive testing on a massive scale. Now that we're doing it, don't use it against us lol.

We are not testing any more than other countries and we have 21% of the deaths with 4% of the population. No western country is doing worse that we are.

 

[ReubenSherr]

We are not testing any more than other countries

Source?

 

[Luce]

The currently unemployment rate is 10.2%, Obama facilitated an unemployment rate of 10.0% in 2009.

Yeah, Obama took office in 2009. Then the unemployment rate went down.

Trump took office with an absurdly low unemployment rate, and now it's higher than it was when Obama took office.

Republicans aren't very good at this governing thing.

 

[Luce]

Source?

Oh, now Rueben wants evidence. :lol:

 

[ReubenSherr]

we have 21% of the deaths with 4% of the population

You have been told that you are misleading people by including nations in Africa and South America that were experiencing summer at the climax of the pandemic.

 

[Luce]

You have been told that you are misleading people by including nations in Africa and South America that were experiencing summer at the climax of the pandemic.

Be more honest.

 

[ReubenSherr]

Oh, now Rueben wants evidence. :lol:

Do you have any facts to share? What was the point of that post?

If you have the courage, debate me. Directly.

 

[Luce]

Do you have any facts to share? What was the point of that post?

If you have the courage, debate me. Directly.

No, dude, you don't get evidence. Now or ever.

 

[ReubenSherr]

Be more honest.

I was speaking to another poster. You do understand that?