How to solve the military recruitment crisis

[Questerr]

Close 600 0ff shore military installations then reorganize the war policy then bring the USA around
to an economy based on peace.

Last but not least stop this nonsense........

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You realize the vast majority of those bases are about the size of a city block and exist to logistically support the US military’s deployability, right?

Not all bases are created equal. You can’t just look at them as numbers.

 

[Questerr]

You're preaching to the choir

The price of war is indeed high. That's why it pays so well.

Interesting you think we should have stayed home and sat out WW1 and WW2.

During both of those wars, we could have increased pay and conditions for soldiers to get volunteers. But old rich politicians believed like you do that involuntary servitude was a preferred solution.

 

[Questerr]

If your elected leaders institute the draft its either comply or not. Indeed there is a choice.

It’s it a free choice when it’s done at gunpoint? Is that your idea of freedom?

 

[VySky]

And it’s telling that your brain jumps directly to stripping people of their freedom rather than any other steps to increase recruitment.

I thought they were doing when they went with the Bud Light fiasco?

How did that work out for them and others?

 

[VySky]

18 year olds and 22 year olds largely aren’t thinking about pensions when they decide what job they want.

Exactly. Because they are uncommon as I stated.

 

[Questerr]

As of right now, only 23% percent of young people are eligible to join and the top three reasons for automatic rejection are...............Obesity, drugs, and criminal records.

Of that 23% eligible................................71% of those eligible say they wouldn't join regardless.

Yeah.....we have a problem.

Well a big solution would be eliminate the US military (and government in general) position on the use of marijuana. It’s pretty ****ing stupid to not accept people for using a substance that is becoming as legal as tobacco or alcohol in many parts of the country.

 

[VySky]

It’s it a free choice when it’s done at gunpoint? Is that your idea of freedom?

Another choice is run for Canada.

 

[Questerr]

I thought they were doing when they went with the Bud Light fiasco?

How did that work out for them and others?

The “Bud Light fiasco” stripped people of their freedom? WTF are you talking about?

 

[Questerr]

Another choice is run for Canada.

It’s still done at gunpoint. Is that your idea of freedom?

 

[Questerr]

Exactly. Because they are uncommon as I stated.

So then pensions aren’t really a selling point for recruitment.

 

[VySky]

The “Bud Light fiasco” stripped people of their freedom? WTF are you talking about?

They thought it would help in recruitment like the drag queen fAiL

 

[US&THEM]

Exactly. Because they are uncommon as I stated.

We fight wars with private contractors making 4x’s the money as the regular troops.

 

[VySky]

So then pensions aren’t really a selling point for recruitment.

I know a lot of Veterans who have retired at 40 after 20 years of service who are bringing home a check. Then start a second career

 

[Questerr]

They thought it would help in recruitment like the drag queen fAiL

Yes, the military is forced to do meaningless propaganda stunts that won’t actually help recruitment because they either can’t (due to lack of funding) or won’t (due to institutional bias and momentum) take actions that actually will boost recruitment.

But are you admitting that your first thought for a solution was to strip people of freedom?

 

[Questerr]

I know a lot of Veterans who have retired at 40 after 20 years of service who are bringing home a check. Then start a second career

I guarantee that wasn’t why they joined. It’s not a significant factor in recruitment.

 

[VySky]

We fight wars with private contractors making 4x’s the money as the regular troops.

Or have other countries do it for us ref: Ukraine

 

[US&THEM]

Or have other countries do it for us ref: Ukraine

Oh, I forgot you do not understand reality.

 

[Questerr]

And by some of the responses left here, many would not honor the draft notice even under those circumstances.

And for some reason, Conservatives who supposedly oppose tyrannical government aren’t among them.

 

[Questerr]

Many might change their minds when the enemy begins bombing their city.

Who is going to be bombing American cities?

 

[bave]

Your entire argument relies on the argument that any declared war would necessarily involve mass destruction caused by nuclear weapons.

That is your opinion, only. Not objective fact.

If the US were facing an invasion of the continental US and looking for massive manpower to repulse them WW1/2 style, then yea, it is 100% nuclear.

The US is not going to even debate an existential military event without going to nukes.

 

[Questerr]

If the US were facing an invasion of the continental US and looking for massive manpower to repulse them WW1/2 style, then yea, it is 100% nuclear.

The US is not going to even debate an existential military event without going to nukes.

No country has the capability to launch any significant invasion of the United States. Even if a country like China or Russia stationed forces in Mexico, in the event of war, it would be trivially easy to cut off their supply and make any invasion untenable.

 

[bave]

No country has the capability to launch any significant invasion of the United States. Even if a country like China or Russia stationed forces in Mexico, in the event of war, it would be trivially easy to cut off their supply and make any invasion untenable.

Yea, of course, but I am simply suggesting that if (somehow) our naval/air forces were eliminated in such a way that would allow an enormous invasion force to come through Mexico/Canada, we would go nuclear very quickly.

 

[Questerr]

Yea, of course, but I am simply suggesting that if (somehow) our naval/air forces were eliminated in such a way that would allow an enormous invasion force to come through Mexico/Canada, we would go nuclear very quickly.

And a draft wouldn’t save us if our Navy and Air Force are wiped out. If we’re pre-supposing that, then we’ve already lost.

 

[bave]

And a draft wouldn’t save us if our Navy and Air Force are wiped out. If we’re pre-supposing that, then we’ve already lost.

More or less, hence the red button.

 

[The Stars Tremble]

It isn't an opinion, it's a fact.

This data is publicly available about the number of kids who are disqualified from military service because of drugs, fitness, and criminal records. It is far higher than any other point in history.

You made this claim before, and when I asked whether that was all "kids" (as you imply) or only those who actually applied for military service, you fobbed me off with something about statistics not being available.

Be clear that you're talking about actual applicants. Then we can talk about why non-eligible kids are applying.

And maybe we can also talk about why the Army is rejecting kids just because they took drugs in the past. That's a pretty minor crime to be assuming that they're too criminal to serve, isn't it? A whole bunch of people (not just kids) take drugs when they have nothing better to do.