The problem these Union Goons have is they don't understand a blasted thing from a management perspective. They don't know what those responsiblilites require.
bingo!!!!!unions don't want responsibility, just power.
I have witnessed unions protecting lazy and incompetent workers. Why would anyone do that?
Unions don't want responsibility, just power.
I have witnessed unions protecting lazy and incompetent workers. WHY would anyone do that?
Agreed...How many times have we all witnessed Construction Crews with 1 guy working,,,and 5 others sitting around doing nothing? :roll: The same goes at Ship Yards, the Docks and Wharehouse Facilites I visit on the job...1-2 working, the rest at a complete stand still.:roll:
And remember those "Job Pools" that the UAW had??
You've yet NOT to deny anything I've Posted,,,while claiming everything is just a "misunderstanding". As you're doing now. :lol: I agree, this engagement has been of low-value. My "Position" hasn't changed, I still think the Govt. and Unions have NO Business in Private Enterprise. You do.
Read this: Union Scandals - Google Search
Yes. I have denied things that you have posted. You said that card check will cause members to lose control of their unions. I have said that this is false. This is a misunderstanding on your part. Your posting compared a secret ballot election monitored by the NLRB to the Iranian presidential elections. I said this is a bogus comparison because the Iranian presidential elections were won through fraud. These are clear misunderstandings that you continue to repeat. I am not saying "everything" is a misunderstanding, I'm being specific.
After the GM debacle,,,you'd think the Unions would "wise up".:lol:
Big Hollywood Blog Archive How to Kill a Union in Three Easy Steps
1) Take away the right to anonymous ballots in voting for leadership.
2) Consistently vote in left wing leadership that supports only left wing political candidates who vote for “tax and spend” policies that destroy the very business we are all in.
3) Take away a major benefit that most non-union members would join the union for in the first place: health care.
I don't have the time, nor patience to answer you. Look for yourself for a change.Alright even more specific. Look at reason 1) that you posted here. Card check does not change the procedures of leadership selection in a union. So 1) is premised on a misunderstanding or a falsehood.
It tried to take the Right of the Voters Privacy...
Which you've pointedly ignored the whole time.
More generally a member's "control of a union" seems more
appropriately defined as control over the governance of the union not the procedure for joining it. Again card check does not change the procedures to govern a union.
Unions suck up to the Dems for the most part. Tell me the "Benefits' you've gained under B.O.:lol:
Is there something I'm missing?
I don't have the time, nor patience to answer you. Look for yourself for a change.
Agreed...How many times have we all witnessed Construction Crews with 1 guy working,,,and 5 others sitting around doing nothing? :roll: The same goes at Ship Yards, the Docks and Wharehouse Facilites I visit on the job...1-2 working, the rest at a complete stand still.:roll:
I have been on navy ships in 2 ship yards, one in Bremerton, Washington, and one in Yokosuka, Japan.
In Bremerton, forget about getting things done without following the rules. I watched a welder sit on his butt because an electrician had to reroute some extension cords, and the electrician wouldn't be available for a while.
In Japan, I needed some knee knocker remote radio console brackets moved so that they wouldn't hurt anyone who sat at the radio operators console. They had been there since WWII, and needed to be put on top of the console, not under it. One carton of cigarettes got the deed done, cost me about $2....
Unions are like almost anything else, some good, some bad, most somewhere in the middle. Are there union shops where things are abused? Of course there are, but there are also union shops where union and management work together as much as possible.
I think of unions as a kind of necessary evil. I think without unions, or the threat of unionization, wages would stagnate for the foreseeable future, while prices will not stagnate. I also think that without unions or the threat of unions that workers would be treated alot less decently, and would be viewed as more of a disposable commodity.
A necessary evil is, however, still an evil, and unions do tend to bread corruption, and union bosses who forget they work for the workers. Once unions realize they can force concessions, they do tend to try for too much, to the detriment of the employer.
With all that in mind, I think the status quo is probably the best policy right now. Let unions exist, but don't make the more powerful, and don't expedite the unionization process. Sometimes when there is no good solution, the lesser evil is the best you can get.
I've never seen a union shop where the, "that's not my job", mentality wasn't abused.
One night, I was making a delivery to a valve company. I had a pallet that weighed about 50 pounds, bumped the dock and sat for two hours while a dozen different forklifts went back-n-forth through the loading dock, or sat idle doing nothing. I'd already checked in with S&R, signed in, delivery was inspected; just waiting for a forklift to take it off my trailer. I finally said the hell with it, grabbed one end and drug it onto the loading dock and OMG! the slobberin' and knashing of the teeth by those unions hands.
The biggest deadbeats I ever seen on a job site have been union hands.
I've never seen a union shop where the, "that's not my job", mentality wasn't abused.
One night, I was making a delivery to a valve company. I had a pallet that weighed about 50 pounds, bumped the dock and sat for two hours while a dozen different forklifts went back-n-forth through the loading dock, or sat idle doing nothing. I'd already checked in with S&R, signed in, delivery was inspected; just waiting for a forklift to take it off my trailer. I finally said the hell with it, grabbed one end and drug it onto the loading dock and OMG! the slobberin' and knashing of the teeth by those unions hands.
The biggest deadbeats I ever seen on a job site have been union hands.
Yep,,,the same thing happens to me. I'll step aboard a DDG, look around for the gear I'm supposed to install, and see it still on the Pier. 2 days AFTER Delivery. I go down to the L.C.U. (Local Control Unit) and unpack it myself. All the while with a dead beat "Dock Worker" yelling that I'm "NOT ALLOWED" to touch it.:lol:
I give him specific instructions on where he can put his "Rules",,,sideways.:lol:
And complete MY JOB.
Take care.
Sorry Realist but on this topic you have shown yourself willing to maintain notions that are demonstratively false. I think you have lost a lot of credibility on this thread as a result.
I've never seen a union shop where the, "that's not my job", mentality wasn't abused.
One night, I was making a delivery to a valve company. I had a pallet that weighed about 50 pounds, bumped the dock and sat for two hours while a dozen different forklifts went back-n-forth through the loading dock, or sat idle doing nothing. I'd already checked in with S&R, signed in, delivery was inspected; just waiting for a forklift to take it off my trailer. I finally said the hell with it, grabbed one end and drug it onto the loading dock and OMG! the slobberin' and knashing of the teeth by those unions hands.
The biggest deadbeats I ever seen on a job site have been union hands.
And you have proven time and again to be a hyper-partisan demagogue who will see what he wants to see. There are good unions shops out there. It's not the institution, it's certain members of the institution.
To put it another way, I have worked at a couple places that treated employees like crap. This does not mean every place is like that, nor does that mean that every place should have unions to deal with places like this.
Unions encourage employers to follow labor laws.
History indicates that unions and organized crime were once hand in glove companions, and may still be to some extent.
Too much power and money, and too little sense of responsibility makes a bad combination.
That's why it's futile to argue 'I saw so-and-so do this or that'.UtahBill said:I have seen a similar attitude among some non-union workers, to be honest about it.
Yes, but where would we be without labor laws and unions? Working at Walmart where the employer values profits over workers.
Sorry Realist but on this topic you have shown yourself willing to maintain notions that are demonstratively false. I think you have lost a lot of credibility on this thread as a result.
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