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How to improve US grade school-high school education


Let's compare 1970's 'extreme rhetoric' with say, a speech by Marjory Taylor Greed.

Here's an example of what was considered the second most seditionist writing of the day:


"An imperative task for these publicly disinherited groups, then, is to demand a Democratic Party responsible to their interests. They must support Southern voter registration and Negro political candidates and demand that Democratic Party liberals do the same (in the last Congress, Dixiecrats split with Northern Democrats on 119 of 300 roll-calls, mostly on civil rights, area redevelopment and foreign aid bills; and breach was much larger than in the previous several sessions). Labor should begin a major drive in the South. In the North, reform clubs (either independent or Democratic) should be formed to run against big city regimes on such issues as peace, civil rights, and urban needs. Demonstrations should be held at every Congressional or convention seating of Dixiecrats. A massive research and publicity campaign should be initiated, showing to every housewife, doctor, professor, and worker the damage done to their interests every day a racist occupies a place in the Democratic Party. Where possible, the peace movement should challenge the "peace credentials" of the otherwise-liberals by threatening or actually running candidates against them."

Then lets compare this to the writings of Jefferson and co at the beginning of their great idea.

Actually, to be fair, we should only compare MTG's twits as I doubt she even knows what is a compound sentence.
 
Teachers, police and firemen own all the big houses in my town ($750k level) no one else can afford them. They work part time and retire extremely young.
Why aren't you a teacher, policeman, or fireman?
 
As a youth these jobs were for loses with no ambition. Who knew they would evolve into luxury socialism.
Lol.

Teachers are underpaid. That is a fact. They make about 20% less than people with equivalent degrees.

The fact that they make more than you and your neighbors doesn't mean teachers are overpaid.

It means you and your neighbors didn't get the training or education necessary to make more.
 
Lol.

Teachers are underpaid. That is a fact. They make about 20% less than people with equivalent degrees.

The fact that they make more than you and your neighbors doesn't mean teachers are overpaid.

It means you and your neighbors didn't get the training or education necessary to make more.

Nice attempt at insulting but their degrees are cash grabs not of value and no teacher made what I did
 
Nice attempt at insulting but their degrees are cash grabs not of value and no teacher made what I did
Their degrees are cash grabs?

Which degrees?
 
I'd like to try an experiment. Lets make highschool like a place of employment. They get quarterly paychecks based on grades and attendance, homework and dress code. These are just figures I'm throwing out for discussion. This isn't a bribe, its a reward based on merit.

$200 a quarter for each A
$100 "" "" each B
$50 C
$10 Attendance
Fines for bad behavior.
Nothing for anything less.

They could wind up with a sweet check for around 1500.00

This would have to be a private school. The idea of rewarding hard work with money based on merit (and not just showing up). It would be intolerable to the left and undoubtedly racist.

Do I think it would work? I'd love to find out. If I was a millionaire I'd start a pilot. Why do adults work hard? To get paid. The money would be spent on something that really motivates our young people and also get them used to earning a pay check.
It’s the parent’s responsibility for this, not the school’s.
 
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None are needed to do their jobs
Which ones?

You have no idea what degrees teachers have do you?

Is a math degree a cash grab? A biology degree? History? Etc.

Those are cash grabs?

And you seriously think you don't need a math degree to teach math?

A biology degree to teach biology?

Seriously?
 
Which ones?

You have no idea what degrees teachers have do you?

Is a math degree a cash grab? A biology degree? History? Etc.

Those are cash grabs?

And you seriously think you don't need a math degree to teach math?

A biology degree to teach biology?

Seriously?

In some states they are proposing no degree be required, on other states a masters is required. Its ridiculous.

And of course it all depends what level course you teach as to what SHOULD be needed but instead a degree is simply a pay raise.

Its insanity and the teachers are overpaid and have unneeded degrees..
 
In some states they are proposing no degree be required, on other states a masters is required. Its ridiculous.

And of course it all depends what level course you teach as to what SHOULD be needed but instead a degree is simply a pay raise.

Its insanity and the teachers are overpaid and have unneeded degrees..
It is a fact that teachers are underpaid.

Teachers make about 20% less than others with equivalent degrees.
 
It is a fact that teachers are underpaid.

Teachers make about 20% less than others with equivalent degrees.

This is distorted, big time.

Others work full time and don't get Cadillac benefits. Also, teachers don't produce more because if advanced degrees as the private sector does.

Try apples to apples.
 
In some states they are proposing no degree be required, on other states a masters is required. Its ridiculous.

And of course it all depends what level course you teach as to what SHOULD be needed but instead a degree is simply a pay raise.

Its insanity and the teachers are overpaid and have unneeded degrees..

Well that was a dumb post imo. LOL.
 
This is distorted, big time.

Others work full time and don't get Cadillac benefits. Also, teachers don't produce more because if advanced degrees as the private sector does.

Try apples to apples.
It is adjusted for hours and benefits.

About 20% less.

Facts

 

He's not wrong. We have kids coming into kindergarten who have a lot of speech and language issues. They have average to high receptive (listening) scores, but low expressive (speaking) scores. One of the main causes of that is a child who just listens to everything and rarely has conversations (like a kid who has his/her head in a phone, iPad, computer or TV all day long with little to no child-adult conversations). My students, for the most part, would much rather play a literal game where everyone has to talk to each other, move things on a board, roll dice, etc. than play a game on the computer or watch something. According to my coworkers of any grade level, their kids are the same. They are craving interaction, conversation and non-screen playing.
 
Can't decrease technology, exposure to media, and consumer spending because businesses will lose, which is why similar problems have also been taking place in countries like Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan. Also, children usually follow what adults do, which means similar provisions will have to apply to the latter, and they won't allow it.
 
Nice attempt at insulting but their degrees are cash grabs not of value and no teacher made what I did
If no teacher made what you make - why are you complaining with envy about their house?

Teachers here in NJ are paid competitively. Some public school districts pay a bit more and are more attractive than others.

Unfortunately, when you have inequality between districts, we seem to end up with a lot of turnover in some districts.

The formula for funding public education needs to be fundamentally changed.
 
The formula for funding public education needs to be fundamentally changed.

Sure as hell does. School bus drivers and janitors have real jobs outside of the school system but keep these because of the Cadillac benefits.
 
Has there ever been a program where they try to find what kids in early grammar school might like to read on an individual basis? After I stumbled across science fiction in 4th grade I was looking for more SF. Through high school I must have read 10 times as many SF books as whatever the school assigned.

Yeah, The Scarlet Letter that was a big thrill. Give kids boring drivel and wonder why they don't get enough practice reading.

Educators are so brilliant!

We need a KURRL of about 10,000 books.

K-12 Unschooling Recommend Reading List
 
Scarlet Letter should be read when one is mature, together with others. That implies continuing education and lifelong learning.
 
Sure as hell does. School bus drivers and janitors have real jobs outside of the school system but keep these because of the Cadillac benefits.
Driving a school bus or being a janitor isn't a real job?

That's odd.
 
Driving a school bus or being a janitor isn't a real job?

That's odd.
Not odd at all.
They are part time, nothin jobs these folks take for the insane benefits.
Heck, you can't even get these "jobs" if you are not "connected."
 
No they arent.

How are good health insurance and a retirement plan insane?

Please explain.

Because they are totally unattainable in the private sector.
 
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