How to ban guns without firing a single shot!

[rahl]

And yet... states HAVE banned them. No problem....

Big problem. The Supreme Court told you that you can’t ban them. States defying the court doesn’t change this, and those states are currently being dragged through the courts as a result.

Now do as you're told and sit in the corner.

Lol, standing over your bloody corpse of an argument as you are fully aware, every single proposal you made has been refuted.

You make too much noise.

You are so bad at this

 

[Feynman Lives!]

Big problem. The Supreme Court told you that you can’t ban them. States defying the court doesn’t change this,..

They don't "defy" ANYTHING. They just implemented the law. If the Supreme Court deemed them unconstitutional, they couldn't exist!

Dear God. You had never heard of the Supremacy Clause!

AGAIN you display your absolute ignorance.

Last time! Go sit in the corner, read and.... come back to us when you understand the BASICS of how this country's legal system WORKS! Because I'm not going to waste any more time with your nonsense.

 

[rahl]

They don't "defy" ANYTHING.

Proven lie.

They just implemented the law.

They are defying the Supreme Court.

If the Supreme Court deemed them unconstitutional, they couldn't exist!

They already deemed them unconstitutional. Which is why these states keep getting drug through the courts.

AGAIN you display your absolute ignorance.

By absolutely curb stomping the trolling stupidity you post?

Last time! Go sit in the corner, read and.... come back to us when you understand the BASICS of how this country's legal system WORKS!

I will continue refuting the moronic stupidity you post. As you are aware, every single proposal you’ve made has been refuted.

 

[RF667799]

Stop talking nonsense about things you know nothing about. ALL my proposals have ALREADY been implemented.

This isn't true, and you've failed to support it or even address it being called out as not true.

The job of people who don't know anything about the topic is to sit in the corner, read, learn and remain quiet.

 

[Feynman Lives!]

They are defying the Supreme Court.

You have been calling me a "liar" because you didn't know that the Supremacy Clause EXISTS. Now you have learned something new and STILL deny reality. I'm done.... People who simply deny REALITY are not worth the effort.

But don't worry.... you'll be in my list of poster to whom I respond when I can think of something funny to say, but don't actually take seriously.

 

[rahl]

You have been calling me a "liar" because you didn't know that the Supremacy Clause EXISTS.

You are lying.

Now you have learned something new and STILL deny reality.

I have been and will continue schooling you on constitutional law, specifically the 2nd amendment. It’s why you are struggling so badly.

I'm done.... People who simply deny REALITY are not worth the effort.

But don't worry.... you'll be in my list of poster to whom I respond when I can think of something funny to say, but don't actually take seriously.

I accept your concession again. You like to do this after you’ve had your ass handed to you. You’ll disappear for a couple days and then come back and hope nobody remembers the embarrassing exchange you were in.

 

[jaeger19]

This thread is about saving as many lives as possible lost to mass shootings with assault weapons. A murder committed with a gun that is not an assault weapon is as relevant as a murder committed with a knife or by pushing the victim off the roof of a 10-story building.

But I'll take the opportunity to point out AGAIN your desperation to change the subject. Clearly due to your complete inability to rebut what IS the subject.

Dude tge subject is whether your proposals will work.
And to work they must be enforceable. Which they are not as shown.
And they need to significantly reduce the availability of assault weapons and large capacity magazines . Which they do not.
So your proposals have been shown not to work.

L

 

[CLAX1911]

You have been calling me a "liar"

No you're not a liar you're just way smarter than everyone everywhere and your proposals are genius level of course written by the smartest man that ever will live, and nobody agrees with them because they're all just stupid.

 

[Feynman Lives!]

Dude tge subject is whether your proposals will work.
And to work they must be enforceable.
Which they are not as shown.

I don't know what you think "enforceable" means. If a a gun shop sells an illegal gun, they lose their license issued by the ATF.

Easy!

Your arguments are too easy to debunk. Anybody have something that is even moderately challenging?

 

[Feynman Lives!]

No you're not a liar...

Thank you!

 

[jaeger19]

I don't know what you think "enforceable" means. If a a gun shop sells an illegal gun, they lose their license issued by the ATF.

No they don’t.
The gun shop only loses its license if the atf catches said sale.
you’ve made it clear only atf will be enforcing the ban and with tens of millions of transactions and just atf? Not going to be enforced.
And that’s just deal sales . 50 percent or so of the current market is private sales. Which you e shown you can’t enforce.

Easy!

Your arguments are too easy to debunk. Anybody have something that is even moderately challenging?

See above.

You don’t even understand enforcement.

 

[Feynman Lives!]

I don't know what you think "enforceable" means. If a a gun shop sells an illegal gun, they lose their license issued by the ATF.

No they don’t.

No they don't? Of course they do! That's my proposal.

The gun shop only loses its license if the atf catches said sale.

Yep! That's how ALL laws are enforced.... Congratulations! Looks like you just discovered how to boil water....

Anyway... let's add this as #7.

So here is the new updated list so far.

1. "Oh.... you have to define "Assault Weapons" (or "magazines", or "armor piercing bullets", or "if"....) in YOUR own words. How THE LAW defines them is [for some weird unstated reason] not acceptable."
2. "If you ban assault weapons, mass murderers will use.... [ropes, knifes, regular guns, cars .... snowballs.... take your pick] to commit the same mass murders with the same number of victims."
3. "The number of people who die by assault weapons is too small to be worth it to ruin my hunting trip just to save them"
4. "Mass shooters have pals who are willing to sell to them assault weapons illegally" (this was a particularly strange one)
5. "I just thought up some wild scenario in which your proposals might not work" (ignoring the fact that the OP says that the purpose is NOT to stop ALL murders. Only the ones with assault weapons.... whatever number those may be)
6. "It has been rebutted hundreds of times [backed up only with references to one of the afore mentioned nonsense]"
7. "ATF cannot inspect gun shops." [Except that... they already do... So may it's...] "No gun shop is afraid or putting their FFLs at risk so long as they can make a few bucks more selling illegal guns that are... already on the streets" [Don't bother asking how gun shops GET those illegal guns in the first place.... they just all magically HAVE them....]

I hesitated to include this one. Maybe it goes into the list of arguments that are so silly that they don't even deserve to BE on the list of silly arguments

 

[CLAX1911]

No they don't? Of course they do! That's my proposal.



Yep! That's how ALL laws are enforced.... Congratulations! Looks like you just discovered how to boil water....

Anyway... let's add this as #7.

So here is the new updated list so far.

1. "Oh.... you have to define "Assault Weapons" (or "magazines", or "armor piercing bullets", or "if"....) in YOUR own words. How THE LAW defines them is [for some weird unstated reason] not acceptable."

Yes you have to know what you're talking about you clearly have no clue

1. "If you ban assault weapons, mass murderers will use.... [ropes, knifes, regular guns, cars .... snowballs.... take your pick] to commit the same mass murders with the same number of victims."

No they'll probably just use a salt weapons whatever the hell that is because you can't define it because criminals don't obey the law.

1. "The number of people who die by assault weapons is too small to be worth it to ruin my hunting trip just to save them"

But you don't know that because you have no clue what an assault weapon is. You just repeat words you heard in the media like a trained parrot.

1. "Mass shooters have pals who are willing to sell to them assault weapons illegally" (this was a particularly strange one)

They don't have to have towels they just have to have money and they can get it you know drugs have been illegal for the better part of a century and you can still get those.

1. "I just thought up some wild scenario in which your proposals might not work" (ignoring the fact that the OP says that the purpose is NOT to stop ALL murders. Only the ones with assault weapons.... whatever number those may be)

Every single scenario that exists your proposals won't work they've been rebutted to hundreds of times. In a post I even went line by line rebutting everything you said and you completely ignored it.

1. "It has been rebutted hundreds of times [backed up only with references to one of the afore mentioned nonsense]"

Denial isn't an argument.

1. "ATF cannot inspect gun shops." [Except that... they already do... So may it's...] "No gun shop is afraid or putting their FFLs at risk so long as they can make a few bucks more selling illegal guns that are... already on the streets" [Don't bother asking how gun shops GET those illegal guns in the first place.... they just all magically HAVE them....]

You can get guns by other means not using an FFL dealer.

I hesitated to include this one. Maybe it goes into the list of arguments that are so silly that they don't even deserve to BE on the list of silly arguments

None of your dismissals are valid.

You still don't know what an assault weapon is you still haven't accepted Rebuttals are you still think the problem with crime is not enough law which is the dumbest idea a humans have ever devised.

You are terrible at this.

 

[Feynman Lives!]

You can get guns by other means not using an FFL dealer.

We're discussing the ones that DO

 

[CLAX1911]

We're discussing the ones that DO

So again completely ignore all rebuttals you would be weird if you changed.

 

[Feynman Lives!]

So again completely ignore all rebuttals you would be weird if you changed.

Not only have I not ignored the rebuttals, I made a list here for your convenience.

I even numbered them 1-7. So you can simply use them by number....

You'll have to pick a number and actually SAY something about it. "They have been rebutted hundreds of times" will not do. If you feel that they are too dumb... I agree with you!

 

[rahl]

Not only have I not ignored the rebuttals,

you are lying

 

[Feynman Lives!]

you are lying

This clown doesn't know about the Supremacy Clause. He/she thinks I'm lying when I explain to him/her why Supreme Court decisions CANNOT be simply "ignored" by the states.

 

[RF667799]

Not only have I not ignored the rebuttals, I made a list here for your convenience.

I even numbered them 1-7. So you can simply use them by number....

You'll have to pick a number and actually SAY something about it. "They have been rebutted hundreds of times" will not do. If you feel that they are too dumb... I agree with you!

You made 7 strawmen.

 

[rahl]

This clown doesn't know about the Supremacy Clause.

He/she thinks I'm lying when I explain to him/her why Supreme Court decisions CANNOT be simply "ignored" by the states.

You keep lying when you say your proposals haven’t been refuted. It’s really weird.

 

[CLAX1911]

Not only have I not ignored the rebuttals,

That's a lie you ignored every single one of them

I made a list here for your convenience.

A list of lies?

I even numbered them 1-7. So you can simply use them by number....

So seven lies

You'll have to pick a number and actually SAY something about it.

Already did several times you just ignored it. What's the point of doing it again?

"They have been rebutted hundreds of times" will not do.

What would be the point of doing it again you'll just ignore it again

If you feel that they are too dumb... I agree with you!

Yes of course it's the whole rest of the world that's the problem.

 

[Feynman Lives!]

So again completely ignore all rebuttals you would be weird if you changed.

I haven't ignored ANY of them. In fact, I made a list...

1. "Oh.... you have to define "Assault Weapons" (or "magazines", or "armor piercing bullets", or "if"....) in YOUR own words. How THE LAW defines them is [for some weird unstated reason] not acceptable."
2. "If you ban assault weapons, mass murderers will use.... [ropes, knifes, regular guns, cars .... snowballs.... take your pick] to commit the same mass murders with the same number of victims."
3. "The number of people who die by assault weapons is too small to be worth it to ruin my hunting trip just to save them"
4. "Mass shooters have pals who are willing to sell to them assault weapons illegally" (this was a particularly strange one)
5. "I just thought up some wild scenario in which your proposals might not work" (ignoring the fact that the OP says that the purpose is NOT to stop ALL murders. Only the ones with assault weapons.... whatever number those may be)
6. "ATF cannot inspect gun shops." [Except that... they already do... ]
7. "No gun shop is afraid or putting their FFLs at risk so long as they can make a few bucks more selling illegal guns that are... already on the streets" [Don't bother asking how gun shops GET those illegal guns in the first place.... they just all magically HAVE them....]
8. "It has been rebutted hundreds of times [backed up only with references to one of the afore mentioned nonsense]"

When I say my proposals haven't been rebutted, I mean rebutted with SERIOUS arguments. The above is the best they could come up with....

 

[RF667799]

I haven't ignored ANY of them. In fact, I made a list...

1. "Oh.... you have to define "Assault Weapons" (or "magazines", or "armor piercing bullets", or "if"....) in YOUR own words. How THE LAW defines them is [for some weird unstated reason] not acceptable."
2. "If you ban assault weapons, mass murderers will use.... [ropes, knifes, regular guns, cars .... snowballs.... take your pick] to commit the same mass murders with the same number of victims."
3. "The number of people who die by assault weapons is too small to be worth it to ruin my hunting trip just to save them"
4. "Mass shooters have pals who are willing to sell to them assault weapons illegally" (this was a particularly strange one)
5. "I just thought up some wild scenario in which your proposals might not work" (ignoring the fact that the OP says that the purpose is NOT to stop ALL murders. Only the ones with assault weapons.... whatever number those may be)
6. "ATF cannot inspect gun shops." [Except that... they already do... ]
7. "No gun shop is afraid or putting their FFLs at risk so long as they can make a few bucks more selling illegal guns that are... already on the streets" [Don't bother asking how gun shops GET those illegal guns in the first place.... they just all magically HAVE them....]
8. "It has been rebutted hundreds of times [backed up only with references to one of the afore mentioned nonsense]"

When I say my proposals haven't been rebutted, I mean rebutted with SERIOUS arguments. The above is the best they could come up with....

"The number of people who die by assault weapons is too small to be worth it to ruin my hunting trip just to save them"

"The number of people who die as traffic fatalities is too small to ruin my road trip vacation just to save them."

 

[Feynman Lives!]

A list of lies?

Well.... I don't know. They may be lies... .they may be mistakes. But the fact is that it's a list of what those who have made "some" attempt at addressing my proposals have said. If you promoted any of them, YOU would be better at categorizing them either as lies or mistakes or.... just nonsense that the authors made up just so as not to remain silent.

 

[Feynman Lives!]

"The number of people who die by assault weapons is too small to be worth it to ruin my hunting trip just to save them"

"The number of people who die as traffic fatalities is too small to ruin my road trip vacation just to save them."

"...therefore they shouldn't have any speed limits"