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How to ban guns without firing a single shot!

That's normally how it starts you can't go directly to the extreme ...
Then when disarming happens, we can start talking about it. My proposals are NOT about disarming anybody. And you have nothing to rebut them. That means my proposals are solid.
 
So your proposal to ban “assault weapons” doesn’t disarm the tens of millions of people who own them? 😂
Correct!

It's such a waste of time having to explain over and over what is already in the OP because people don't READ!!!
 
Except if you do know how to handle firearms safely it’s STILL not like simply standing in line to renew your drivers license.
Correct! You have to pass a test and demonstrate you are proficient (not that much different to when you get a driver's license). Pretty similar to obtaining a driving license.

The poster I originally responded to appeared to believe that standing in line would be the hardest part. But if you think the testing part is too difficult for you, you shouldn't waste your time standing in line.... You'd just be making the line longer for RESPONSIBLE and KNOWLEDGEABLE gun owners.
 
Under what constitutional authority would the Federal government be authorized red flag laws?
Under Article 1 Section 1... Same as passing ANY law!

For God's sake! That's the FIRST sentence of the Constitution (after the Preamble). You didn't even get THAT far?

My point is that NOTHING in the Constitution gives the states some "right" to pass laws that are unconstitutional.
 
You are lying.
It's such a waste of time having to explain over and over what is already in the OP because people don't READ!!!
Banning a firearm someone owns, is disarming them. When you lie about what you have previously said, when the forum keeps a written record of your posts, it’s hilariously retarded.
 
Banning a firearm someone owns, is disarming them.
Your inability to comprehend basic written English makes it impossible to have a meaningful conversation with you.

Thanks for trying, though....
 
Under Article 1 Section 1... Same as passing ANY law!

For God's sake! That's the FIRST sentence of the Constitution (after the Preamble). You didn't even get THAT far?

My point is that NOTHING in the Constitution gives the states some "right" to pass laws that are unconstitutional.
That does not give the FEDERAL the authority to enforce red flag laws. Art 1 Sec 1 just says that Congress writes the laws. It doesn’t say what laws it can write. That is why laws get determined to be unconstitutional.

The 10th Amendment specifically says what the federal government can and cannot do.

BTW, let’s examine your previous post.
Huh? If there is constitutional authority for STATE red flag laws, there is constitutional authority for....

Never mind. This is the dumbest excuse I've heard so far. And that's a lot!
How does Article 1 Section 1 apply to the states?

You really do have no idea how our government works do you? You just want to tell people what to do and what they can buy. Very authoritarian.
 
Your inability to comprehend basic written English makes it impossible to have a meaningful conversation with you.

Thanks for trying, though....

There's no trouble at all understanding the con you're running. It's simplistic and transparent.
 
Your inability to comprehend basic written English makes it impossible to have a meaningful conversation with you.

Thanks for trying, though....
Banning a firearm someone owns, is by definition, disarming them lol.
 
Correct! You have to pass a test and demonstrate you are proficient (not that much different to when you get a driver's license). Pretty similar to obtaining a driving license.
Well except you stated that for you , it would just be “standing in line for a few minutes, checking your driving record , asked a few questions and bang you are out of there,

Post 2580:
“BTW, no! I have NEVER had to stand in line 2 hours at the DMV. Even when I didn't get an appointment, I have never had to wait even an hour. But usually 10 to 15 minutes including the waiting time... Once at the desk, it's pretty quick: they check my record, my eye-sight, a few questions... .in and out...”

Gee that doesn’t sound like you took a competency test , a mental health exam , had fingerprints , all the things you want for gun owner licenses.

So admit it. You lied saying your licensing would be like the dmv.



The poster I originally responded to appeared to believe that standing in line would be the hardest part. But if you think the testing part is too difficult for you, you shouldn't waste your time standing in line.... You'd just be making the line longer for RESPONSIBLE and KNOWLEDGEABLE gun owners.
Gun banners gotta lie.

I was that poster. And I pointed out that “ just GOING” to the dmv was a hardship for many people .
Then on top of that you are talking about having to take firearms courses, get mental examinations , certification/competency.

This is why people shouldn’t listen to gun control advocates who say lies like “ we just want” reasonable gun regulations”

You are lying. You simply want to” Jim Crow” style regulations that you can use to discourage and prevent responsible and knowledgeable gun owners from being able to exercise their constitutional rights.
 
Exactly what I would expect somebody who is not aware of the responsibility that owning a gun entails would say.
It's not as complicated as driving a car in traffic. If you think that it is you know less about the subjective than I ever thought.
 
That does not give the FEDERAL the authority to enforce red flag laws.
WTF? You asked what authorized the federal government to ENACT red flag laws. Article 1 does! The law will be enforced by whoever has the job of enforcing laws. Local police, most likely.

Do you even know how the federal government WORKS?

Art 1 Sec 1 just says that Congress writes the laws. It doesn’t say what laws it can write.
No kidding!

This is looking more and more like a waste of time!
 
WTF? You asked what authorized the federal government to ENACT red flag laws. Article 1 does! The law will be enforced by whoever has the job of enforcing laws. Local police, most likely.

Do you even know how the federal government WORKS?

Local police are tasked to enforce federal laws?

Have you even been to the United States?
 
Well except you stated that for you , it would just be “standing in line for a few minutes, checking your driving record , asked a few questions and bang you are out of there,
I don't know what you're talking about. If you have something to comment about what I said, use the forum's QUOTE function. Unless the only way you can make a point is to take something out of context.

Forget driving licenses and the DMV. That was just a side comment to respond to a specific question by a specific poster. If you have anything to REBUT the point made in the OP, go ahead! If not then, yet again, my point is made!
 
WTF? You asked what authorized the federal government to ENACT red flag laws. Article 1 does! The law will be enforced by whoever has the job of enforcing laws. Local police, most likely.
what's the point of red flag laws?
Do you even know how the federal government WORKS?
Doesn't matter how is this not a useless law
No kidding!

This is looking more and more like a waste of time!
 
Local police are tasked to enforce federal laws?

Have you even been to the United States?
I am convinced more and more that he is probably fishing from a slow boat in the Black Sea.
 
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I don't know what you're talking about. If you have something to comment about what I said, use the forum's QUOTE function. Unless the only way you can make a point is to take something out of context.

Forget driving licenses and the DMV. That was just a side comment to respond to a specific question by a specific poster. If you have anything to REBUT the point made in the OP, go ahead! If not then, yet again, my point is made!
Again where do you get this idea that you rebutt proposals you not know what a proposal is? It's rejected there's no need to rebut it the rebuttal is rejection no we're not doing that.
 
WTF? You asked what authorized the federal government to ENACT red flag laws. Article 1 does! The law will be enforced by whoever has the job of enforcing laws. Local police, most likely.

Do you even know how the federal government WORKS?


No kidding!

This is looking more and more like a waste of time!
Congress can pass a law but it will be immediately challenged and ruled unconstitutional because there is no constitutional basis for the Federal government to regulate it.

Taxation? Nope
Interstate commerce? Nope
Foreign treaty? Nope

You really need a remedial civics class on the limitations on the Federal government that are inherent in our Constitution.

And additionally, as pointed out before local and state agencies don’t enforce Federal law. Which is how all those states get away allowing medical and recreational marijuana when it is still illegal at the Federal level.
 
what's the point of red flag laws?
Well.... you should have asked that in the beginning, if you didn't know. The purpose is to give judges the authority to temporarily remove the gun from somebody who might pose a risk to others or to themselves. Typically this happens when somebody has had a traumatic experience or particular mental health issues. But also when there are signs that they might use a gun to commit an act of violence.. The purpose is to reduce the immediate threat of gun violence.
 
Well.... you should have asked that in the beginning,
Well I'm asking it now what's the point?
if you didn't know. The purpose is to give judges the authority to temporarily remove the gun from somebody who might pose a risk to others or to themselves.
Well wouldn't it be better to just keep them in jail because even if you take away their guns they can always get another one. Also you can kill people with things other than guns too happens all the time.
If you can't trust them with the guns they already own then you can't trust them in a society where they can easily get them. There shouldn't be the red flag once maybe these types of people that pose this risk should just be denied bail.
Typically this happens when somebody has had a traumatic experience. The purpose is to reduce the immediate threat of gun violence.
It doesn't. Let's see you take away the guns you know about what about the ones you don't know about. No there shouldn't be red flag was people that would be subject to this if they're arrested for a crime such as making threats or being asked some violence this should just be denied bail.

I don't think red flag was serve the purpose you think they do.
 
Well.... you should have asked that in the beginning, if you didn't know. The purpose is to give judges the authority to temporarily remove the gun from somebody who might pose a risk to others or to themselves. Typically this happens when somebody has had a traumatic experience or particular mental health issues. But also when there are signs that they might use a gun to commit an act of violence.. The purpose is to reduce the immediate threat of gun violence.

Seems weird to have the premise that a violent person who is a danger to himself and others is just allowed to go out and get a knife, or a can of gasoline...or even another gun.
 
Seems weird to have the premise that a violent person who is a danger to himself and others is just allowed to go out and get a knife, or a can of gasoline...or even another gun.
Yeah red flag ones are really stupid it's like you can go home and murder anybody you want just not with these guns. When something is way too stupid like this to make any sense it's just a front for gun control.
 
Yeah red flag ones are really stupid it's like you can go home and murder anybody you want just not with these guns. When something is way too stupid like this to make any sense it's just a front for gun control.
And confiscation of legally owned property under dubious justification.

But remember, @Feynman Lives! said that none of his proposals would take away anyone’s guns. Well expect for this one of course.
 
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