How to ban guns without firing a single shot!

[Spock]

Oh well. Now that you put it that way, I guess we can classify everyone as children and really celebrate how many are murdered every year.

Once again, failure to understand the subjectivity and nuance of ANY issue seems to be your identity.

 

[RF667799]

Once again, failure to understand the subjectivity and nuance of ANY issue seems to be your identity.

I just told you what you could do to really pump those numbers up, and on the backs of subjectivity and nuance at that.

And this is the thanks I get...

 

[Spock]

“ rampage shooters” are then a tiny minority since they apparently aren’t mass shooters???
You silly anti gunners.

Most people in America consider Las Vegas 2017 to be significant. Why should Texans ignore Uvalde? Why should Connecticut ignore Sandy Hook? Stop trying to deny the impact of firearm violence on America and then we can have a conversation.

Yeah your arguments don’t make sense so we are left confused by your attempts at debate
Cripes now we have a new definition that apparently like “ prevalence” only you know.
“ mass RAMPAGE shooters” lmao.

Try to keep up.

That makes zero sense.
Why should I want to ban something for no good reason simply because there is an alternative?

If you have an equivalent option you should not care whatsoever if the alternative is proscribed.
Of course, now you will argue that semi-autos with detachable clips are NOT equivalent to assault weapons.

Silly gun banners.

Gun apologists have a monopoly on absurdity.

 

[Spock]

I just told you what you could do to really pump those numbers up, and on the backs of subjectivity and nuance at that.

And this is the thanks I get...

Firearm violence does not seem to be a concept you can understand.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Why are you asking for personal information?
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Did you have to get permission from your parents because you were under 21? Or were you legally allowed to do at age 18?

 

[RF667799]

Firearm violence does not seem to be a concept you can understand.

Well of course you now want to broaden the discussion.

 

[jaeger19]

Most people in America consider Las Vegas 2017 to be significant. Why should Texans ignore Uvalde? Why should Connecticut ignore Sandy Hook? Stop trying to deny the impact of firearm violence on America and then we can have a conversation.

So 3 instances ?
Anyway, you keep saying that you feel safe to go about not worrying about being murdered , mass shooter or otherwise.
So what’s the big deal?
You are the one who minimized the effect of ALL violent crime stating you were safe.

Try to keep up.

Dude i am so far ahead of you , you’ve been lapped.

If you have an equivalent option you should not care whatsoever if the alternative is proscribed.

Of course I should care. Duh. Just because one blood pressure medicine is available doesn’t mean it’s acceptable to ban all other blood pressure medicines.
Please explain your rationale.

Of course, now you will argue that semi-autos with detachable clips are NOT equivalent to assault weapons.

Well frankly , the whole definition of “ assault weapon” is just a bunch of Huey since it’s a nebulous definition that seems based purely on cosmetic features.

Gun apologists have a monopoly on absurdity.

Gunn banners have the monopoly on that.
Cripes man earlier you were arguing that
1.Mental health treatment wasn’t effective at all in preventing suicide but taking firearms from people who are not suicidal is.
2. Children cannot and should not be taught to avoid dangerous situations.
3. Using firearms safely “ requires special skills”
And in the next breath training isn’t required
4. America is both a safe place and fearing violence crime is irrational, while being dangerous and in tge midst of a crisis of violence!!!

Gun banners gotta be absurd.

 

[jaeger19]

Once again, failure to understand the subjectivity and nuance of ANY issue seems to be your identity.

Translation:
“ You need to understand when Spock makes crap up”
“ mass Rampage shooters”
Don’t ya know?

 

[jaeger19]

No. I have presented substantiation for my opinions and observations. You have a need for excluding information that is inconsistent with your bias. If you understood firearm violence better, the issues would not be so baffling for you.

Okay. Now THATS funny!!

“
Psychological projection is a defense mechanism where individuals attribute their own unacceptable thoughts, feelings, or traits to others. It's a way of unconsciously managing difficult emotions by displacing them onto someone else, rather than acknowledging them within oneself. This can manifest in various ways, from minor disagreements to significant relationship issues”

Now this is important:

Understanding Projection:

• Unconscious Process:
  Projection is an unconscious process, meaning individuals are typically unaware they are doing it.
  
  
• Defense Mechanism:
  It's a defense mechanism used to protect the ego from uncomfortable or unacceptable emotions or traits.
  
  
• Attributing to Others:
  Instead of acknowledging a feeling or trait, a person projects it onto someone else, making it seem like the other person is the one experiencing or displaying it.
  Example : Stating unequivocally that “ increasing firearm prevalence causes increased violence
  
  Then when confronted with data showing increased prevalence was correlated with DECREASING VIOLENCE claim that “prevalence cannot be measured “
  Then projecting onto others that they “ exclude data that is inconsistent with their bias”. Sound like anyone we know?
  

 

[Spock]

Well of course you now want to broaden the discussion.

Firearm violence has always been the subject.

 

[CLAX1911]

Firearm violence has always been the subject.

No it's gin owners that you blame for suicides and murder falsely

 

[Spock]

So 3 instances ?

No. Many more.

Anyway, you keep saying that you feel safe to go about not worrying about being murdered , mass shooter or otherwise.

The fear is among those who need to carry a firearm for self-defense.

So what’s the big deal?
You are the one who minimized the effect of ALL violent crime stating you were safe.

The issue is firearm violence and the impact of firearm access on death and injury.
America would be safer without easy access to firearms by criminals, those with impulse control, desire for self-harm and anger management issues. Fear is the primary factor driving firearm needs for self-defense.

Dude i am so far ahead of you , you’ve been lapped.


Of course I should care. Duh. Just because one blood pressure medicine is available doesn’t mean it’s acceptable to ban all other blood pressure medicines.
Please explain your rationale.

Well frankly , the whole definition of “ assault weapon” is just a bunch of Huey since it’s a nebulous definition that seems based purely on cosmetic features.

Then you should not object to banning arbitrary a weapon for which you have alternatives. It is not your job to decide which laws are valid and which are not.

Gunn banners have the monopoly on that.
Cripes man earlier you were arguing that
1.Mental health treatment wasn’t effective at all in preventing suicide but taking firearms from people who are not suicidal is.
2. Children cannot and should not be taught to avoid dangerous situations.
3. Using firearms safely “ requires special skills”
And in the next breath training isn’t required
4. America is both a safe place and fearing violence crime is irrational, while being dangerous and in tge midst of a crisis of violence!!!

Gun banners gotta be absurd.

 

[rahl]

If you want to look at the most notorious gun attacks, consider this database and think about the concept of weapon of choice:

https://smokinggun.org/guns-used-in-the-deadliest-u-s-mass-shooting/

The weapon of choice is handguns.

 

[Spock]

Okay. Now THATS funny!!

“
Psychological projection is a defense mechanism where individuals attribute their own unacceptable thoughts, feelings, or traits to others. It's a way of unconsciously managing difficult emotions by displacing them onto someone else, rather than acknowledging them within oneself. This can manifest in various ways, from minor disagreements to significant relationship issues”

Now this is important:

Understanding Projection:

• Unconscious Process:
  Projection is an unconscious process, meaning individuals are typically unaware they are doing it.
  
  
• Defense Mechanism:
  It's a defense mechanism used to protect the ego from uncomfortable or unacceptable emotions or traits.
  
  
• Attributing to Others:
  Instead of acknowledging a feeling or trait, a person projects it onto someone else, making it seem like the other person is the one experiencing or displaying it.
  Example : Stating unequivocally that “ increasing firearm prevalence causes increased violence
  
  Then when confronted with data showing increased prevalence was correlated with DECREASING VIOLENCE claim that “prevalence cannot be measured “
  Then projecting onto others that they “ exclude data that is inconsistent with their bias”. Sound like anyone we know?

100,000 dead and injured yearly. That is the issue. Firearm access is the cause.

 

[rahl]

Well... we have no choice, do we? Heller IS the Law of the Land. At least for now....

In any case, the Heller legislation does not impede any of my proposals.

You keep referencing this legislation called heller. I’ve asked you to provide the house/senate bill that was passed under that name. Because it doesn’t exist. The only thing under that name is a court ruling which overturned an unconstitutional gun ban. Courts have no mechanism to legislate, so it’s hilariously retarded to claim they did.

proof is that they have been adopted by states.... no problem. And that doesn't mean that they wouldn't work anyway... So we can count this as yet ANOTHER attempt to rebut my proposals that fails.

The boys and girls in the audience are keeping count. So feel free to try again, if you ever think of anything....


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[rahl]

DGU, as measured, is an urban fantasy.

Prove 1.7 million defensive gun uses is in error.

 

[rahl]

"weapon of choice" for rampage shooters
Try to keep up and not quote incorrectly.

Still handguns.

Who are you quoting? Confused again?

You should have no objection to the ban since you think alternative firearms are equivalent.

 

[rahl]

No. I have presented substantiation for my opinions and observations.

You have a need for excluding information that is inconsistent with your bias.

If you understood firearm violence better, the issues would not be so baffling for you.

As we have long ago established, there is no such thing as firearm violence. Inanimate objects are incapable of committing any act.

 

[rahl]

Teenagers are often considered children.

18 and 19 year olds are adults, not children.

The entire delineation of "adulthood" is appropriately variable for cultural, political, legal and scientific reasons.

No it isn’t. 18 and 19 year olds are adults.

 

[rahl]

Yet they can't legally buy alchohol.

But are still adults.

 

[RF667799]

Firearm violence has always been the subject.

Now now. Just a bit ago, it was 35 year old children.

 

[rahl]

Can 18 year olds buy alcoholic beverages?

No

Can 18 year olds enter into binding legal contracts in Alabama, Mississippi, or Nebraska?

Yes

Why is marital age variable across cultures and jurisdictions and why is there no minimum age in several states?

Irrelevant to 18 year olds being adults.

Your fierce need for absolutist thinking on all matters reflects the desperate need of someone who cannot accept nuance or ambiguity.

It’s an absolute fact that 18 year olds are adults.

 

[rahl]

Firearm violence does not seem to be a concept you can understand.

Because there is no such thing. As we long ago established. Inanimate objects can’t commit any act of any kind.

 

[rahl]

Firearm violence has always been the subject.

There is no such thing. As we have long ago established. Inanimate objects can’t commit any kind of act.

 

[rahl]

100,000 dead and injured yearly. That is the issue.

30x’s more are dead or injured by motor vehicles.

Firearm access is the cause.

Prove it.