How to ban guns without firing a single shot!

[Spock]

Strawman fallacious argument, often signalled by "in other words". Rejected on that basis.

How about you stick to my words?

Your words are illogical, as I have demonstrated.
Try answering the question:
In other words, no amount of preventable death and injury or cost would justify actions to reduce firearm access that might lead to rampage killings?
or, if you prefer,
How much preventable death and injury or cost would justify actions to reduce firearm access that might lead to rampage killings?

 

[RF667799]

Your words are illogical, as I have demonstrated.
Try answering the question:
In other words, no amount of preventable death and injury or cost would justify actions to reduce firearm access that might lead to rampage killings?
or, if you prefer,
How much preventable death and injury or cost would justify actions to reduce firearm access that might lead to rampage killings?

Post rejected on the basis of being nothing but a convoluted attempt to shift the burden, along with examples of begging the question.

You claim "too many". It's up to you to support that with something other than nearly incoherent froth.

 

[Spock]

I possess them mainly to protect my livestock from coyotes and wolves and the occasional mountain lion.
I also use them for self protection from bears when I am archery hunting.
Occasionally I will carry when I am going to stay late in a clinic in a sketchy neighborhood where there has been knife attacks.
So what?

Does not address the reasons people generally carry firearms for self-defense. As usual, you are being evasive.
Just answer the question without your anecdotal embellishment.

You claimed the weapon of choice was an “ assault weapon”

Yep.

When the data shows mass shooters far and away choose handguns by a huge margin.

Perhaps because they could not get their weapon of choice?

Just pointing out how your irrational fear of weapons you call “ assault weapons” is further unfounded.

No irrational fear. Firearm fear is healthy, rational, and validated. And, no, your fear of the firearms of criminals is not an excuse to promote self-defense firearms for the masses.

Everytown is lying as the data shows

You have assumed, reflecting your typical failure to consider issues carefully, that "weapon of choice" means the most commonly used weapon for the common definition of mass murder (five or more) or that rampage shooting is "mass murder". You have multiple incorrect assumptions consistent with your prior errors. Those assumptions about "weapon of choice" or "mass murder" or "rampage" are wrong.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Try to stay on topic rather than introducing irrelevant conditions or statements.
Let's simplify this fear issue that you seem to struggle with:
Why to people possess firearms for self-defense?

Rampage shootings are not just any shooting with 5 dead or injured, which is the common mass shooting definition. I am addressing the rampage attacks- high volume multiple dead and injured often involving strangers.
"weapon of choice" is a generic and illustrative term that captures the best available tool for those intent on rampage shootings
I am sure that handguns are used more often for any multiple causality situation.
Are you concerned about handguns or just intent on quibbling?

The AR-15 is the Weapon of Choice for Mass Shooters. It’s Time to Reinstate the Bipartisan Congressional Assault Weapons Ban.

Moms Demand Action and Students Demand Action Volunteers Holding Mothers Day Events This Weekend Calling for Reinstating Assault Weapons Ban New Everytown Polling Shows 65% of Americans Support Assault Weapons …

www.everytown.org

Did you even read the Everytown propaganda? They didn’t publish any data to support their statement that the AR-15 is the “weapon of choice for mass shooters”. Just some anecdotes from incidents that got a lot of publicity. The whole press release was pablum for the useful idiots.

 

[RF667799]

Did you even read the Everytown propaganda? They didn’t publish any data to support their statement that the AR-15 is the “weapon of choice for mass shooters”. Just some anecdotes from incidents that got a lot of publicity. The whole press release was pablum for the useful idiots.

"Weapon of choice for mass shooters!"

If a gun manufacturer ever said something like that, the ghouls at Everytown would sue them.

 

[Spock]

Did you even read the Everytown propaganda? They didn’t publish any data to support their statement that the AR-15 is the “weapon of choice for mass shooters”. Just some anecdotes from incidents that got a lot of publicity. The whole press release was pablum for the useful idiots.

Of course. "weapon of choice" is a subjective term as is "mass shooting". You gun fanatics demonstrate profoundly poor critical reading skills.

 

[RF667799]

Of course. "weapon of choice" is a subjective term as is "mass shooting". You gun fanatics demonstrate profoundly poor critical reading skills.

Uhh...those terms were criticized at least partially on that basis.

Are you going to do the thing now where you agree with your opposition and pretend you've been right all along? We've seen that ploy already.

 

[Spock]

Uhh...those terms were criticized at least partially on that basis.

Are you going to do the thing now where you agree with your opposition and pretend you've been right all along? We've seen that ploy already.

If you want to look at the most notorious gun attacks, consider this database and think about the concept of weapon of choice:

https://smokinggun.org/guns-used-in-the-deadliest-u-s-mass-shooting/

 

[JMB1911A1]

Of course. "weapon of choice" is a subjective term as is "mass shooting". You gun fanatics demonstrate profoundly poor critical reading skills.

Ah, so you admit that your sources are 100% subjective with no basis in actual factual data.

That doesn’t sound like a good source on which to base policy to me.

 

[RF667799]

If you want to look at the most notorious gun attacks, consider this database and think about the concept of weapon of choice:

https://smokinggun.org/guns-used-in-the-deadliest-u-s-mass-shooting/

You want to base your argument on anecdotes, in attempt at emotionality.

Rejected on that basis.

 

[JMB1911A1]

If you want to look at the most notorious gun attacks, consider this database and think about the concept of weapon of choice:

https://smokinggun.org/guns-used-in-the-deadliest-u-s-mass-shooting/

Let’s see.

Not every gun listed was used. We know that for a fact in the Las Vegas shooting.

AR-15s are the most popular rifle sold in the U.S. There are more of them in circulation than F-150 pickup trucks. It makes sense that they would be found at a lot of crime scenes. In fact, I suspect that they are at lower percentage of crime scenes than their percentage of guns sold. Handguns are still the “weapon of choice” for these events.

 

[Spock]

Ah, so you admit that your sources are 100% subjective with no basis in actual factual data.

That doesn’t sound like a good source on which to base policy to me.

I wouldn't expect you to recognize subjectivity in any form, including your pro-gun bias.

 

[P_T]

Ladies the number one danger in the World is the Smart Phone. No body is paying attention to anything that's going on out there.
Watch, play the smartphone is whats happening. Driving with phone on dash, no clue, run into stuff ahead of them too.

Worring about a few sick kids with firearms when the whole population is sick from the smart phone, watch, look at, listen, obey it is what's happening.

 

[Spock]

You want to base your argument on anecdotes, in attempt at emotionality.

Rejected on that basis.

Nope. Just a listing of Americas worst killing sprees of recent decades. That should be sufficient to turn the most determined gun fanatic who retains a tiny bit of humanity. Of course, without recognition of the impact these shootings have had on real people, you and your fellow firearm apologists will be unmoved.

 

[Spock]

Ladies the number one danger in the World is the Smart Phone. No body is paying attention to anything thats going on out there.
Watch, play the smartphone is whats happening. Driving with phone on dash, no clue, run into stuff ahead of them too.

Let me know when a smartphone in traffic results in the intentional murder of dozens of innocent people.

 

[RF667799]

Nope. Just a listing of Americas worst killing sprees of recent decades. That should be sufficient to turn the most determined gun fanatic who retains a tiny bit of humanity. Of course, without recognition of the impact these shootings have had on real people, you and your fellow firearm apologists will be unmoved.

Like I said...

 

[CLAX1911]

If you're talking about something related to the Heller legislation's misuse of the 2nd

Yeah I'll go with supreme Court justices over incompetent people on the internet that are raging that they're rejected proposal isn't being rebutted whatever that means.

 

[JMB1911A1]

I wouldn't expect you to recognize subjectivity in any form, including your pro-gun bias.

Oh, I recognize just fine and understand the difference between qualitative data and quantitative data.

1.7 million defensive gun uses is quantitative data.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Nope. Just a listing of Americas worst killing sprees of recent decades. That should be sufficient to turn the most determined gun fanatic who retains a tiny bit of humanity. Of course, without recognition of the impact these shootings have had on real people, you and your fellow firearm apologists will be unmoved.

Except it wasn’t a list of “killing sprees”. It was a list of shootings inflated by including the number of wounded. One entry I saw had only two killed.

 

[P_T]

Let me know when a smartphone in traffic results in the intentional murder of dozens of innocent people.

The moment the cell phone enters a vehicle; it is put on the dash and looked at innocents are intentionally put at risk. The State and Federal laws should state it shall functionally shut off while in motion. The User should have to pull over, park to activate its stuff, stop on a bicycle or walking on a bike path. Of course, traffic maps and all that stuff needs to work that way, except the radio but the screen shouldn't show info about who is playing, adds ect. That's what the DJ's job is about not his blab-blab crap about his personal B.S. All the prerecorded line of balcony needs to be nixed ; ... now. So you see the real threat to safety is not a firearm.. Its the apple and android crap.

 

[jaeger19]

Look at the statute.
I cannot and will not rationalize your confusion. If you really cannot make the distinction, you should not object to banning assault weapons as defined.

https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/R42957.pdf

Well that’s the point there Spock.
If you claim that “ assault weapons should be banned because.
1.”they are the preferred weapon of mass shooters “
Except the data says they are not

2. “ Assault weapons work differently from other semi automatic rifles “

But the only differences are cosmetic.

Rationally then there should be no reason for banning them since your reasons for banning them are false.

 

[Feynman Lives!]

Yeah I'll go with supreme Court justices over ...

Well... we have no choice, do we? Heller IS the Law of the Land. At least for now....

In any case, the Heller legislation does not impede any of my proposals. The proof is that they have been adopted by states.... no problem. And that doesn't mean that they wouldn't work anyway... So we can count this as yet ANOTHER attempt to rebut my proposals that fails.

The boys and girls in the audience are keeping count. So feel free to try again, if you ever think of anything....


...

 

[CLAX1911]

Well...

Well there's no real rebuttal to that. Unless you can prove them wrong. People far more intelligent than you have tried.

 

[P_T]

Ban public information services while in motion, --- of course. Especially LEO and Gov stuff like FBI and CIA.
These people need to be eating donuts and cinnamon rolls at local shopz. Good for small businesses.
Screw Big Business traps.

Big business is the populations unsafe safety trap & constant cry-cry-cry B.S. Crap about bringing on citizens safety stuff.
All, know big business hires a firm - tons of firms to keep the B.S. sounding real.

I remember a commercial 30 years ago, 2 frogs croaking at a pond. Talk about trying to grab your attention.

 

[Spock]

View attachment 67577017The moment the cell phone enters a vehicle; it is put on the dash and looked at innocents are intentionally put at risk. The State and Federal laws should state it shall functionally shut off while in motion. The User should have to pull over, park to activate its stuff, stop on a bicycle or walking on a bike path. Of course, traffic maps and all that stuff needs to work that way, except the radio but the screen shouldn't show info about who is playing, adds ect. That's what the DJ's job is about not his blab-blab crap about his personal B.S. All the prerecorded line of balcony needs to be nixed ; ... now. So you see the real threat to safety is not a firearm.. Its the apple and android crap.

Wrong at so many levels; but it does validate the power of NRA and Trump propaganda.