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How to ban guns without firing a single shot!

Feynman Lives! said:
So unamerican to not let an SOB walk into a classroom at a kindergarten with an assault rifle and kill as many children as they can, isn't it?
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Banning guns is a stupid idea beyond all compare.

 
Feynman Lives! said:
So unamerican to not let an SOB walk into a classroom at a kindergarten with an assault rifle and kill as many children as they can, isn't it?
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Can you or any Communist guarantee that if you disarm the public as you desire, no one will ever shoot children again?

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Feynman Lives! said:
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All we want to do is make mass shooting more difficult.

The following might help:
  1. Ban the sale to the public of "assault weapons". As well as parts and ammunition. Reinstate the Assault Weapon sales ban.
  2. No confiscation (except what is already in the law). But adopt a voluntary buy-back program with strong compensation, for guns and ammunition.
  3. Ban so-called "cop-killing" bullets.
  4. Ban the sale of high-capacity magazines.
  5. Ban ghost guns.
  6. Require a license to buy any firearm and ammunition.
  7. Require a "graduation process" to obtain and maintain a gun license.
  8. Mandatory buy back program for weapons acquired with a license for anybody who fails to renew their license.
  9. Implement a federal mandatory background check for all gun sales. No loopholes. And hold private sellers accountable if the gun sold without a check or to an unlicensed buyer is used in a crime.
  10. Give courts the authority to confiscate guns from people who they consider a threat to themselves and others. (Red Flag Law)
  11. Raise the age limit for buying any kind of guns to 21 (at least)
  12. Implement strong nationwide cash-for-guns programs focusing primarily on assault weapons.
  13. Repeal the PLCAA and investigate gun manufacturers and gun lobbyists' role in passing it.
  14. Require manufacturers to alter design of guns sold to public to make them as difficult to be modified as possible.
  15. Declare gun violence a preventable public health problem. Give the CDC funding an resources to study the relation between certain mental illnesses and gun violence.
  16. Repeal DoC v Heller given that the decision is based on factual historical and linguistic inaccuracies.

Feel free to skip the following absurd or irrelevant arguments
  • Irrelevant argument 1: People can print their guns: Sure... but that would be more difficult than just running down to the store. It's easy to print a gun with a kit. So selling kits must be outlawed. But many crazy people might not know HOW to print a gun without one. Some might not bother and just go jump of a bridge... or something. And then there are the bullets....
  • Irrelevant argument 2: They can kill people with .... (cars, bombs, knives, forks...): Read the sentence in "bold" at the top. It's HARDER to kill a lot of people with any of those items, than it is with a gun. Learning how to pull a trigger is easier than learning how to make a bomb without blowing yourself up in the process.
  • Irrelevant argument 3: You can't stop ALL shootings: Then we don't! That doesn't mean we can't stop ANY shootings.
  • Irrelevant argument 4: Guns don't kill people... people kill people: Bullshit!!
  • Irrelevant argument 5: But but but... the 2nd Amendment: Start here and continue through all the threads mentioned which debunk this inaccurate claime
  • Irrelevant argument 6: This xxxx [bump stock, cop killer bullets, assault rifles, ...] don't exist: MORE Bullshit! They do!
  • Irrelevant argument 7: What we need is more guns, not less (and variations like "arm teachers" and similar): There are more guns than there are people. So we have tried this. It hasn't worked! Countries have done the contrary (Australia, UK, Japan, ...etc) and it HAS worked.
  • Irrelevant argument 8: This is just a mental issue: There are as many nuts in other countries as there are in this one. And NO country has anywhere near as many shootings as we do. Over 600 every year since 2020, and almost 400 so far this year. Second place this year among developed countries: France with 6!)
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Without regard to any of the above absurdity, this is yet another pipe dream based on the "necessity" to restrict the rights of individuals. The left wing wants to ban guns, ban free speech, ban the free exchange of goods and services and, of course, ban all activity which they perceive as "harming the environment". There is nothing quite like trying to wrap one's head around how all these insane proposals somehow or other "protect freedom".
 
Lutherf said:
Without regard to any of the above absurdity, this is yet another pipe dream based on the "necessity" to restrict the rights of individuals. The left wing wants to ban guns, ban free speech, ban the free exchange of goods and services and, of course, ban all activity which they perceive as "harming the environment". There is nothing quite like trying to wrap one's head around how all these insane proposals somehow or other "protect freedom".
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They want to build a prison for you and me to live in.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Depends on what you're trying to do. If you want to have a holocaust or ethnically cleanse with the country then it's a great idea.
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True dat

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CLAX1911 said:
I would rather dangerous freedom than peaceful slavery.
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This is not about YOU. The children in Uvalde, for example, would beg to differ. And you don't get to choose for THEM.


CLAX1911 said:
I think a better way to deal with suicide is focus on mental health not pretending it's related to guns.
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You haven't even read the OP. See point 15.

If you want to discuss the OP, you first need to read it. Then quote the part you want to discuss, and then.... discuss it.
 
Lutherf said:
Without regard to any of the above absurdity, this is yet another pipe dream based on the "necessity" to restrict the rights of individuals.
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There is no such thing as a "right" of individuals to shoot school children.
 
Feynman Lives! said:
This is not about YOU. The children in Uvalde, for example, would beg to differ. And you don't get to choose for THEM.
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Gun control got them killed. You want to turn the whole country into that.
Feynman Lives! said:
You haven't even read the OP. See point 15.
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The premise illiterate. I'm not going to read anything that follows a literacy.
Feynman Lives! said:
If you want to discuss the OP,
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It's illiterate. That's all the discussion it requires flat out and dismissal.
Feynman Lives! said:
you first need to read it.
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No need premise it's based on absolute philosophical illiteracy. Any expansion on that is a waste of time. I'm sorry you typed it off maybe start with a less ridiculous position next time.
Feynman Lives! said:
Then quote the part you want to discuss, and then.... discuss it.
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I'll just continue pointing out how intellectually broken the main point is and probably do my best to encourage nobody else to read it.
 
Feynman Lives! said:
To be clear, I don't think banning all guns is possible in this country in any of our lifetimes. So relax. But we might be able to reduce the number of mass shootings by banning some. I also don't mean "banning" in the sense that cops are going to walk into homes and grab guns.

Be sure to read at the end of this post some silly and irrelevant arguments that some have made in the past, so you don't repeat them. But if you do, I'll just refer you to the proper "Irrelevant argument" number.

Remember: there is likely NO way to stop ALL mass shootings. But the idea here is to make them more difficult. So that there are less shootings. And when shootings are unavoidable, that less people get killed.

The whole process will take years... maybe decades. But we need to start now!

All we want to do is make mass shooting more difficult.

The following might help:
  1. Ban the sale to the public of "assault weapons". As well as parts and ammunition. Reinstate the Assault Weapon sales ban.
  2. No confiscation (except what is already in the law). But adopt a voluntary buy-back program with strong compensation, for guns and ammunition.
  3. Ban so-called "cop-killing" bullets.
  4. Ban the sale of high-capacity magazines.
  5. Ban ghost guns.
  6. Require a license to buy any firearm and ammunition.
  7. Require a "graduation process" to obtain and maintain a gun license.
  8. Mandatory buy back program for weapons acquired with a license for anybody who fails to renew their license.
  9. Implement a federal mandatory background check for all gun sales. No loopholes. And hold private sellers accountable if the gun sold without a check or to an unlicensed buyer is used in a crime.
  10. Give courts the authority to confiscate guns from people who they consider a threat to themselves and others. (Red Flag Law)
  11. Raise the age limit for buying any kind of guns to 21 (at least)
  12. Implement strong nationwide cash-for-guns programs focusing primarily on assault weapons.
  13. Repeal the PLCAA and investigate gun manufacturers and gun lobbyists' role in passing it.
  14. Require manufacturers to alter design of guns sold to public to make them as difficult to be modified as possible.
  15. Declare gun violence a preventable public health problem. Give the CDC funding an resources to study the relation between certain mental illnesses and gun violence.
  16. Repeal DoC v Heller given that the decision is based on factual historical and linguistic inaccuracies.

Feel free to skip the following absurd or irrelevant arguments
  • Irrelevant argument 1: People can print their guns: Sure... but that would be more difficult than just running down to the store. It's easy to print a gun with a kit. So selling kits must be outlawed. But many crazy people might not know HOW to print a gun without one. Some might not bother and just go jump of a bridge... or something. And then there are the bullets....
  • Irrelevant argument 2: They can kill people with .... (cars, bombs, knives, forks...): Read the sentence in "bold" at the top. It's HARDER to kill a lot of people with any of those items, than it is with a gun. Learning how to pull a trigger is easier than learning how to make a bomb without blowing yourself up in the process.
  • Irrelevant argument 3: You can't stop ALL shootings: Then we don't! That doesn't mean we can't stop ANY shootings.
  • Irrelevant argument 4: Guns don't kill people... people kill people: Bullshit!!
  • Irrelevant argument 5: But but but... the 2nd Amendment: Start here and continue through all the threads mentioned which debunk this inaccurate claime
  • Irrelevant argument 6: This xxxx [bump stock, cop killer bullets, assault rifles, ...] don't exist: MORE Bullshit! They do!
  • Irrelevant argument 7: What we need is more guns, not less (and variations like "arm teachers" and similar): There are more guns than there are people. So we have tried this. It hasn't worked! Countries have done the contrary (Australia, UK, Japan, ...etc) and it HAS worked.
  • Irrelevant argument 8: This is just a mental issue: There are as many nuts in other countries as there are in this one. And NO country has anywhere near as many shootings as we do. Over 600 every year since 2020, and almost 400 so far this year. Second place this year among developed countries: France with 6!)
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You need a constitutional amendment in order to do so. You have zero chance of that happening.

“Assault weapons” are used in less than 1% of shootings.
 
Feynman Lives! said:
As explained above, the 2nd A has nothing to do with it.
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It’s specifically why you can’t ban any firearms.
Feynman Lives! said:
Easier than that is to get rid of an activist Supreme Court that enacted legislation not based on the Constitution as written.
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I see you are still struggling with basic 6th grade civics. The judiciary has no mechanism or ability to enact legislation.
 
Feynman Lives! said:
The 2nd A only has to do with gun ownership because the Supreme Court legislated to make it so.
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The court has no ability to legislate. Every single court this issue has been in front of, has told you it’s an individual right. You know this, from the curb stomping each of your other threads you started.
Feynman Lives! said:
Even so, I don't think any of these contradicts the Heller legislation.
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You can’t ban any firearm in common use.
Feynman Lives! said:
And, in any case, this activist supreme court will not be there forever.
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😂
 
Feynman Lives! said:
Sure is! What that means is explained by linguists. But that's a DIFFERENT topic.

English 102: "... to keep and bear arms"

Every time one talks about the 2nd A, people start debating if it's an individual or a collective or a civil right. BTW, one day I might open a thread explaining why I think it's neither an individual or a collective right. But this is not it. Because I think it's not as relevant a debate as...
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Spoiler alert: it's NOT what the NRA has been telling you.
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This threads premise was refuted on page one
 
Uncensored2008 said:
You did - in the OP.
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No I didn't! As a matter of fact, the OP says the OPPOSITE. It says "No confiscation...."

It looks like you can't rebut what I DO say. So you're making up B.S. that I DIDN'T say.

Pathetic! But looks like that's the best they can do....
 
Feynman Lives! said:
No I didn't! I have said NOTHING about disarming anybody. As a matter of fact, the OP says the OPPOSITE. It says "No confiscation...."

It looks like you can't rebut what I DO say. So you're making up B.S. that I DIDN'T say.
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HOW TO BAN GUNS WITHOUT FIRING A SINGLE SHOT...


ROFL

Do you read your own posts? I wouldn't blame you if you didn't.
 
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