How the “Unvaccinated” Got It Right

[jaeger19]

I have never in my life, including the decades I debated religion, seen a poster who perfectly demonstrated my argument in his own post. This is like doubling down 10 times and similar to Christians asserting that God never said gays should die when I posted the exact quote, and then THERY would post the quote back and say "God didn't say that"

I have nothing more to say. This debate has been so weird it is like Schiff still maintaining he didn't lie when he said he had evidence of Trump collusion.

Ummm yeah...please explain in detail how that post demonstrates that you were correct..

Because it demonstrates that you are wrong..

But I'd like to hear why you think it supports you.

 

[Paradoxical]

Ummm yeah...please explain in detail how that post demonstrates that you were correct..

Because it demonstrates that you are wrong..

But I'd like to hear why you think it supports you.

It is all there in the items I bolded. jaeger, this is like a defense attorney seeing the prosecution playing a video of a guy talking to his hit man about what a great job he did in killing his wife and handing him the $100,000. as agreed, and then the defense saying:

"That might not be a video of the defendant."


Additionally, I just found THIS right now

MSN

In short, jaeger, I hate to let you down, by Fausti is a L I A R

 

[jaeger19]

It is all there in the items I bolded. jaeger, this is like a defense attorney seeing the prosecution playing a video of a guy talking to his hit man about what a great job he did in killing his wife and handing him the $100,000. as agreed, and then the defense saying:

"That might not be a video of the defendant."


Additionally, I just found THIS right now

MSN

In short, jaeger, I hate to let you down, by Fausti is a L I A R

Umm paradoxical...you didn't bold anything from fauci's interview..
All I can find us you bolded someone else's quotes...not fauci.

As far as " letting me down" ..frankly don't care.. I don't get my info from fauci..I go to the research..as I stated.
You have elevated fauci to where you think he is more powerful than the president or congress. Lol..

However..I read your article and don't see anything that fauci was a source of covid misinformation.

 

[snakestretcher]

Look, I debated against Christians for decades and happen to think that Christianity is the original fake news. All that being said, at least they teach some very fine moral values, absent from this new radical left. Their power has diminished and I contend that because it is diminished we now have a Democrat society that is absent any morals

If I am forced to pay taxes, I should be able to use that same amount of money for a Christian school.

Please enlighten us as to these "absent" moral values, with examples.

 

[snakestretcher]

STOP with the nonsense. You know from my postings I am a non believer, and you trot out the outliers.

That's not what the poster said; he clearly stated that the views of those evangelicals are precisely what you repeat.

 

[Paradoxical]

Please enlighten us as to these "absent" moral values, with examples.

The philosophy of the left is one of lack of personal responsibility and blaming others for their problems, such as student loan bailouts, teaching CRT to youngsters, free unfettered abortions, reduction in criminal penalties and jail time for violent offenders, allowing homeless to do drugs openly, and I could go on and on and on. It (the New Democrats) is a party of making the achievers pay a penalty for their hard work and ingenuity so that those who expend little energy can have what they have. The New Democrats destroy ones very soul.

Need anything more?

PS. I hope this helps.

 

[Paradoxical]

That's not what the poster said; he clearly stated that the views of those evangelicals are precisely what you repeat.

The tactics of the evangelicals are being used very successfully by the left today, which is just a cult that is replacing Christianity. Instead of Jesus, this new cult has big government as the savior and God who is all-knowing and a protector and provider. Anyone that doesn't believe as they do are told they are selfish (sinners) and the cult members descend on them to kill them (cancel them virtually)

 

[snakestretcher]

The philosophy of the left is one of lack of personal responsibility and blaming others for their problems, such as student loan bailouts, teaching CRT to youngsters, free unfettered abortions, reduction in criminal penalties and jail time for violent offenders, allowing homeless to do drugs openly, and I could go on and on and on. It (the New Democrats) is a party of making the achievers pay a penalty for their hard work and ingenuity so that those who expend little energy can have what they have. The New Democrats destroy ones very soul.

Need anything more?

PS. I hope this helps.

None of the above have anything to do with morals. So no, no help whatsoever.

 

[snakestretcher]

The tactics of the evangelicals are being used very successfully by the left today, which is just a cult that is replacing Christianity. Instead of Jesus, this new cult has big government as the savior and God who is all-knowing and a protector and provider. Anyone that doesn't believe as they do are told they are selfish (sinners) and the cult members descend on them to kill them (cancel them virtually)

Oh dear, another clueless rant.

 

[Paradoxical]

Oh dear, another clueless rant.

You asked me. I told you. Don't complain about fact heavy posts.

 

[jaeger19]

The tactics of the evangelicals are being used very successfully by the left today, which is just a cult that is replacing Christianity. Instead of Jesus, this new cult has big government as the savior and God who is all-knowing and a protector and provider. Anyone that doesn't believe as they do are told they are selfish (sinners) and the cult members descend on them to kill them (cancel them virtually)

And you know this how...
Oh yeah because you were told by the evangelicals in the far right.

You thought fauci had the power to enact thr war powers act..and tell companies we would pay them twice their cost.

Now no one one the left is telling you that he has such powers. You are getting that from the right...telling you what the left thinks....
Using your own fear against you.

Here is what's funny... the right and these evangelicals that are claiming you are under attack by the left?

Are they ones banning books and threatening librarians with prosecution..
Are threatening doctors and threatening to sue people if they take a girl across state lines for an abortion.
They are telling you who you can marry..
What you can do in your bedroom..
And if you disagree with them..they cancel you as an amoral..heretic..lefty..

They have you well under their spell.

 

[Paradoxical]

And you know this how...
Oh yeah because you were told by the evangelicals in the far right.

You thought fauci had the power to enact thr war powers act..and tell companies we would pay them twice their cost.

Now no one one the left is telling you that he has such powers. You are getting that from the right...telling you what the left thinks....
Using your own fear against you.

Here is what's funny... the right and these evangelicals that are claiming you are under attack by the left?

Are they ones banning books and threatening librarians with prosecution..
Are threatening doctors and threatening to sue people if they take a girl across state lines for an abortion.
They are telling you who you can marry..
What you can do in your bedroom..
And if you disagree with them..they cancel you as an amoral..heretic..lefty..

They have you well under their spell.

You always and intentionally claim I said something I didn't. Fauci could have gone to Trump to invoke the war powers act if he was afraid of a run on masks. Instead, he lied and said they don't work (I don't believe they do work but under this scenario, he lied when he said not to wear them)

 

[jaeger19]

You always and intentionally claim I said something I didn't. Fauci could have gone to Trump to invoke the war powers act if he was afraid of a run on masks. Instead, he lied and said they don't work (I don't believe they do work but under this scenario, he lied when he said not to wear them)

Um..you said that fauci "should have said"..
During an interview..
Never once considering that the president has the power to enact the war powers act and congress has the power to " pay companies twice costs.".
You played your hand in what you believe..

As far as fauci lying?

How exactly?
He stated in the interview that masks should be used by ill people to prevent them from infecting others..
( a true statement)
That they are for healthcare workers...again true..

And that masks alone do not provide much protection for the wearer. ( also true).

A those statements are true. So what is the lie?

 

[Paradoxical]

Um..you said that fauci "should have said"..
During an interview..
Never once considering that the president has the power to enact the war powers act and congress has the power to " pay companies twice costs.".
You played your hand in what you believe..

As far as fauci lying?

How exactly?
He stated in the interview that masks should be used by ill people to prevent them from infecting others..
( a true statement)
That they are for healthcare workers...again true..

And that masks alone do not provide much protection for the wearer. ( also true).

A those statements are true. So what is the lie?

Fausti lied and people died.
I call him Fausti because he is the devil, caring only about continued royalties and donations while hiding the fact that masks do NOT work and this came from a lab leak. We need Nuhrenberg-type trials for him and others who deceived the public so they could continue to reap donations and royalties

 

[jaeger19]

Fausti lied and people died.
I call him Fausti because he is the devil, caring only about continued royalties and donations while hiding the fact that masks do NOT work and this came from a lab leak. We need Nuhrenberg-type trials for him and others who deceived the public so they could continue to reap donations and royalties

Umm masks do work as source control.
Pretty much the research evidence of that is overwhelming.
Masks aren't so good alone at protecting the wearer. Which is also borne out by much of research though some research has shown some protective effect.
So sorry...point out the lie..

Now you seem concerned that this was a lab leak.
Okay...if we knew this was a lab leak..how would we treat covid differently?
Please explain the difference it would make.
Do you you have evidence that fauci personaly released this virus or directly developed it?

Now..for a non believer..you are throwing out a lot of Christian accusations..( he is the devil).
As far as royalties...etc..
Did it ever occur to you that those telling you these things are also benefitting financially and politically?

 

[Paradoxical]

Umm masks do work as source control.
Pretty much the research evidence of that is overwhelming.
Masks aren't so good alone at protecting the wearer. Which is also borne out by much of research though some research has shown some protective effect.
So sorry...point out the lie..

Now you seem concerned that this was a lab leak.
Okay...if we knew this was a lab leak..how would we treat covid differently?
Please explain the difference it would make.
Do you you have evidence that fauci personaly released this virus or directly developed it?

Now..for a non believer..you are throwing out a lot of Christian accusations..( he is the devil).
As far as royalties...etc..
Did it ever occur to you that those telling you these things are also benefitting financially and politically?

REAL life charts and graphs show that masks do not work. It is insane to suggest that with such large numbers in the millions that there is little to no difference between masked-up states to no-mask states because of the way people wore masks or hygiene. It is really juvenile and an in=sult to the intelligence of anyone with even half a brain.

If maybe bere was just a hundred people on the masked-up side to 100 people on the no-mask side and the infection and death rates were about the same, then possibly you could chalk it up to the way the masked-up people wore masks or type of mask and hand washing. But..........when you have millions of people as source material that sort of garbage argument doesn't wash because you have such large numbers.

The science (math of millions of people wearing masks and millions not) proves beyond any doubt that masks have little or no effectiveness. Lab research is worthless here,

Your premise is that if every mask wearer died and no one that did not wear a mask died is irrelevant, That premise is stupid, You want to completely ignore real-life data

 

[jaeger19]

REAL life charts and graphs show that masks do not work. It is insane to suggest that with such large numbers in the millions that there is little to no difference between masked-up states to no-mask states because of the way people wore masks or hygiene. It is really juvenile and an in=sult to the intelligence of anyone with even half a brain.

If maybe bere was just a hundred people on the masked-up side to 100 people on the no-mask side and the infection and death rates were about the same, then possibly you could chalk it up to the way the masked-up people wore masks or type of mask and hand washing. But..........when you have millions of people as source material that sort of garbage argument doesn't wash because you have such large numbers.

The science (math of millions of people wearing masks and millions not) proves beyond any doubt that masks have little or no effectiveness. Lab research is worthless here,

Your premise is that if every mask wearer died and no one that did not wear a mask died is irrelevant, That premise is stupid, You want to completely ignore real-life data

That's funny.
So what you are saying that " real life data" where there is zero control whether people wore masks or ignored mask mandates
Or there is no control of population densities..population demographics like age or comorbidities...I other words zero attempt to compare apples to apples...
Makes sense to you???

Come now.
I follow research. And in research you attempt to control for other variables.

And when you do? Real life data shows that wearing masks work to reduce infection ..i.e. source control..
I have provided you the research. You won't read it.

You prefer to listen to your masters..which have been wrong at every turn.

 

[Paradoxical]

That's funny.
So what you are saying that " real life data" where there is zero control whether people wore masks or ignored mask mandates
Or there is no control of population densities..population demographics like age or comorbidities...I other words zero attempt to compare apples to apples...
Makes sense to you???

Come now.
I follow research. And in research you attempt to control for other variables.

And when you do? Real life data shows that wearing masks work to reduce infection ..i.e. source control..
I have provided you the research. You won't read it.

You prefer to listen to your masters..which have been wrong at every turn.

It all evens out when you get into the many millions jaeger. You can show all the lab studies you want (where they massage the data) but there are also states that didn't wear masks that are densely populated that fared no worse and in many cases, better, than the masked-up freakos.

 

[snakestretcher]

You asked me. I told you. Don't complain about fact heavy posts.

When you actually post one I'll be amazed.

 

[snakestretcher]

It all evens out when you get into the many millions jaeger. You can show all the lab studies you want (where they massage the data) but there are also states that didn't wear masks that are densely populated that fared no worse and in many cases, better, than the masked-up freakos.

Which states were those? Details please. I'll help; here's a list, with statistics:

Covid’s deadly tradeoffs, by the numbers: How each state has fared in the pandemic

POLITICO’s State Pandemic Scorecard shows how state decisions impacted lives, jobs, education and well-being.

www.politico.com

Oh, and there's this; perhaps you can explain why conservative-run states fared so much worse?

People in Republican Counties Have Higher Death Rates Than Those in Democratic Counties

A growing mortality gap between Republican and Democratic areas may largely stem from policy choices

www.scientificamerican.com

For red and blue America, a glaring divide in COVID-19 death rates persists 2 years later

Cumulative death rates in red states were 38% higher than in blue states, post-vaccination availability, data shows.

abcnews.go.com

Quote; "Cumulative death rates in red states 38% higher"
Kinda shoots your argument down in flames.

 

[Paradoxical]

Which states were those? Details please. I'll help; here's a list, with statistics:

Covid’s deadly tradeoffs, by the numbers: How each state has fared in the pandemic

POLITICO’s State Pandemic Scorecard shows how state decisions impacted lives, jobs, education and well-being.

www.politico.com

Oh, and there's this; perhaps you can explain why conservative-run states fared so much worse?

People in Republican Counties Have Higher Death Rates Than Those in Democratic Counties

A growing mortality gap between Republican and Democratic areas may largely stem from policy choices

www.scientificamerican.com

For red and blue America, a glaring divide in COVID-19 death rates persists 2 years later

Cumulative death rates in red states were 38% higher than in blue states, post-vaccination availability, data shows.

abcnews.go.com

Quote; "Cumulative death rates in red states 38% higher"
Kinda shoots your argument down in flames.

Your evidence?

 

[Paradoxical]

When you actually post one I'll be amazed.

You are amazed at every post of mine you read then.

 

[snakestretcher]

You are amazed at every post of mine you read then.

Yes, profound stupidity always amazes me.

 

[snakestretcher]

Your evidence?

In the link I provided for you. Now, don't disappoint the forum and demand excerpts as your avoidance strategy

 

[Paradoxical]

In the link I provided for you. Now, don't disappoint the forum and demand excerpts as your avoidance strategy

What links?