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That robots, automation, and software can replace people might seem obvious to anyone who’s worked in automotive manufacturing or as a travel agent. But Brynjolfsson and McAfee’s claim is more troubling and controversial. They believe that rapid technological change has been destroying jobs faster than it is creating them, contributing to the stagnation of median income and the growth of inequality in the United States. And, they suspect, something similar is happening in other technologically advanced countries.
I have to disagree
Manufacturing jobs are still very common, they just moved in abundance to other countries. Foxcon one of the main manufacturers for Apple employees hundreds of thousands of people to make I Phones and other Apple products. Even factories that are highly automated require workers. The unfortunate aspect is that in the US, to get those jobs require a higher level of skills then most have. Without them, they will not find work as the cost of employment in the US is higher then in other countries (along with the cost of living)
I have to disagree
Manufacturing jobs are still very common, they just moved in abundance to other countries. Foxcon one of the main manufacturers for Apple employees hundreds of thousands of people to make I Phones and other Apple products. Even factories that are highly automated require workers. The unfortunate aspect is that in the US, to get those jobs require a higher level of skills then most have. Without them, they will not find work as the cost of employment in the US is higher then in other countries (along with the cost of living)
How Technology Is Destroying Jobs | MIT Technology Review
How many of you libertarian free-market shills think you're smarter than a bunch of professors at M.I.T.? An economic paradigm shift is coming, and it won't be pretty. This society better start thinking about how to solve technological unemployment. The beginning of the end of capitalism is nearer than you think. The Super Rich better be ready now. Technology will not only eat jobs, it will eventually eat them too. Welcome to the revolution, baby.
manufacturing jobs havent dissapeered despite rapid technological advancement,the united states is still the number one producer in the world.
what happens is with technology and automation the jobs lost are unskilled labor,in days past,you needed a guy to screw heads on dolls,one to attach the arms etc.now a machine does all that,but instead you need a guy to monitor the machines,one guy to debug software,and multiple mechanics to repair and diagnose themachinery,vs the same number of people doing it by hand.
How Technology Is Destroying Jobs | MIT Technology Review
How many of you libertarian free-market shills think you're smarter than a bunch of professors at M.I.T.? An economic paradigm shift is coming, and it won't be pretty. This society better start thinking about how to solve technological unemployment. The beginning of the end of capitalism is nearer than you think. The Super Rich better be ready now. Technology will not only eat jobs, it will eventually eat them too. Welcome to the revolution, baby.
How Technology Is Destroying Jobs | MIT Technology Review
How many of you libertarian free-market shills think you're smarter than a bunch of professors at M.I.T.? An economic paradigm shift is coming, and it won't be pretty. This society better start thinking about how to solve technological unemployment. The beginning of the end of capitalism is nearer than you think. The Super Rich better be ready now. Technology will not only eat jobs, it will eventually eat them too. Welcome to the revolution, baby.
So go join an Amish comunity.How Technology Is Destroying Jobs | MIT Technology Review
How many of you libertarian free-market shills think you're smarter than a bunch of professors at M.I.T.? An economic paradigm shift is coming, and it won't be pretty. This society better start thinking about how to solve technological unemployment. The beginning of the end of capitalism is nearer than you think. The Super Rich better be ready now. Technology will not only eat jobs, it will eventually eat them too. Welcome to the revolution, baby.
Technology kills manufacturing jobs but not the service industry jobs. So just diversify.
It is still a rational concern. We are already seeing a clear division in our labor force between a small portion of employed society holding highly skilled white collar and technical jobs, and a growing portion relegated to low-paying low-skilled service jobs.
What doe it matter to the American economy that manufacturing jobs exist...OUTSIDE the country and at "slave wages" there? The issue is how this effects our working population HERE.
We have millions of people out of work and a fraction of job apportunities to fight for. We have many millions more working part-time, temporary, and full-time at minimal hours, and most of these are forced to depend on Food Stamps, Medicaid and personal deficit spending (credit cards) to exist day to day and it's not getting any better.
As this kind of division expands, with more and more people entering the job market as our population grows with fewer and fewer job opportunities as corporations seek business development overseas, a crash is highly likely. How radical it becomes remains to be seen.
automation is good. It frees up people who are stuck in repetitive jobs for them to do smth else. Make public education better and let them learn some new skills.
Everythign that can be automated should be automated.
Technology kills manufacturing jobs but not the service industry jobs. So just diversify.
Yes it does, all over the place, hell even professors, they are starting to use streaming lectures for some universities, engineering firms can automate calculations and specs with programs, requiring less engineers.
The fact is Marx' critique of capitalism stands, as technology advances, capitailsm must continue to grow at a compound rate or die.
Yup. We even have software that helps programmers to do more programing in less time. Eventually, just any ole moron is going to be able to create some fairly sophisicated software without the aid of a true programmer.
And this is what...anything other than extraordinary? Are you aware of the plethora of web pages, apps, indie games, and otherwise useful applications written by average individuals that provide competition to the big corporate giants, as a result of this? When a game developed by 4 people can compete with a multi million dollar blockbuster (and ultimately boring) AAA title, you think this was better to have those big corporate publishers milk the market, rather than compete and innovate? Good grief. It's as though you're pushing FOR economic repression!
Technology currently has no known limit. None. Until you reach singularity, and we're nowhere near that. So stop the chicken-little nonsense. I work in tech, and everything cannot be automated as long as tech continues to develop. See above, technology has no reasonable limit, so why would it NOT continue to develop? Maybe if you are content to let big business or big government stifle the market so it CANNOT innovate, you'll dam it up sufficiently to destroy jobs. But if you let technology go go go, you stand a greater risk of AI taking over the world than you do of destroying the economy. And technology is applied to every industry. Health care, energy, Hollywood. So the core of our econnoy is ultimately technologically driven, has no known end point, and affects every industry.
But RGacky3 is worried about Moses...er...Marx prognostications? That's just bad **** crazy IMO.
Technology is developed on the cutting edge, as it's being used. That is, they don't even have enough time to finish development, before they implement it in products and services. That *cannot* be automated, because you can't automated if it's not even through being developed (What would you fully automate?), it simply can't be cost beneficial to invest that much in automation when next year you'd have to rewrite it anyway, and you wouldn't hit critical mass in terms of how much utilization you got from the automation.
Remember too that our expectations of living standards likewise has NOT STOPPED. That's why they redefined the poverty level relative to the economy. So if you want to be so brazen as to stop innovation, you stop the rise in living standards and poverty today = poverty tomorrow. Meanwhile with our constant innovation, poverty in years past look more like absolute poverty, and poverty today in the U.S. is like luxury living compared to a third world. You cant' have it both ways.
Stop competition and innovation and we are doomed to real corporatocracy the likes of which we'd look back and dream of today...
It kills jobs everywhere. Barbers can now cut hair faster since we have clippers and vacuums. Buggy boys can round up more buggys in the parking lot faster since we now have remote controlled buggy pushing machines. With just one cashier operating four or six self service cash registers, and with barcode readers, one cashier can now do the work that it took ten cashiers 30 years ago.
And even in my industry (the graphics industry), I have replaced people (artists, dark room employees, estimators, etc) with machines and software.
Killing jobs is no excuse for employees. Shape up or ship out.
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