How Old is the Earth?

[Gibberish]

umm..those wernt passages from the bible. Andways ive seen all the mathematical calculations, and here is what I think:

Did you miss the whole left column? It lists all the passages where the dates are added up.

There is no passage that God says "The earth was made on 4600 B.C.E." If that is what you are asking.

 

[Gibberish]

Actaully, a myth usually starts with "once upon a time". And usually ends with "happily ever after" or that's the moral of the story. Nowhere in the bible does it indicate any of it is not to be taken literally.

You could interpret it.

The bible starts more like "Long ago everything was created"
Then ends "All believers go to heaven".

That is close enough to Once upone a time and happy ever after.

 

[teacher]

4.5 Billion years.

 

[cnredd]

4.5 Billion years.

This Wednesday...3:14PM...Eastern Standard...

 

[kal-el]

That is close enough to Once upone a time and happy ever after.

Close enough doesn't cut it. We're dealing with the word of god here, and like I said, an infallible entity wouldn't leave his word up to interpretation.

 

[Apostle13]

Ezekiel 22:30-31
I looked for a man among them who would build up the wall and stand before me in the gap on behalf of the land so I would not have to destroy it; but I found none. So I will pour out my wrath on them and consume them with my fiery anger, bringing down on their own heads all that they have done, declares the soverign lord.

It seems this all knowing diety, couldn't find anyone to stand up to him, so he just kills everyone.

It is no secret that God punishes sin, as is exhibited throughout much of the Old Testament... Standing in the gap is a reference to one who could intercede (pray/fast) on behalf of the people in the land. Like unto Abraham interceding for Sodom (Genesis 18:16-33). Moses for the Israelites (Numbers 21:4-8). Jesus warns of the many who are called... Few are chosen.
All too often many good and Godly people remain silent in the wake of corruption whether spiritual/moral decadence. This type of silence amongst believers, called otherwise, ultimately could result in an outpouring of God's judgement... This is predominately Old covenant.
Jesus says, "Behold I make all things new." This is not to say we are not to be judged, but in part, as part (new covenant), God's ultimate wrath is being withheld through Christ as our intercessor as He is now seated at the right hand of the Father.

 

[i believe in tranquility]

Did you miss the whole left column? It lists all the passages where the dates are added up.

There is no passage that God says "The earth was made on 4600 B.C.E." If that is what you are asking.

Gibberish, my whole point is that the creation stories in Genesis should not be taken in a literal sense.

 

[kal-el]

It is no secret that God punishes sin, as is exhibited throughout much of the Old Testament...

He punishes alot more than "sin":

Ezekiel 32:13
I will destroy all her cattle from beside abundant waters no longer to be stirred by the foot of man or muddied by the hoofs of cattle.

What, pray tell, did cattle do wrong to deserve to be killed?

Ezekiel 3-4
This is what the lord says, "I am against you. I will draw my sword from its scabbard and cuttoff from you both the righteous and the wicked. Because I am going to cutt off the righteous and the wicked, my sword will be unsheathed against everyone from south to north.

O man, it seems it does not matter whether they were bad (sinners), or good (righteous), he kills everyone. Sounds like a loving fellow.:lol:

Ezekiel 13:14-15
I will tear down the wall you have covered with whitewash and will level it to the ground so that its foundation will be laid bare. When it falls, you will be destroyed in it; and you will know that I am the lord.

This belligerent fellow gets mad at a wall, and destroys it, and all the people who worked on it.

Isiah 14:21
Prepare a place to slaughter his sons for the sins of their forefathers

So this loving "god" fellow punishes innocents for the wrongs committed by their fathers. That's fair.:lol:

Proverbs 16:4
The lord works out everything for his own ends- even the wicked for a day of disaster

So, this diety made sinners, for the sadistic reason of punishing them!

 

[i believe in tranquility]

your right again, but keep in mind that these are OT, referring to mainly Jews.
A christian like my self views these quotes in the same manner you do.

I follow christ, not OT prophets.

 

[kal-el]

I follow christ, not OT prophets.

That's nice, but it matters little whether you claim to follow the carpenter or the sky cadet, as he never explicitly condemns all the laws from the OT.

 

[MrFungus420]

Gibberish,

Let's see, it's a fairly straight forward accounting taken from the Bible. If it is gibberish, then, I guess you have no problem dismissing the Bible itself as gibberish

my whole point is that the creation stories in Genesis should not be taken in a literal sense.

Ah, I see, you do think that the Bible can be dismissed as gibberish.

Either that, or you are just cherry-picking the parts of the Bible that support what you want, and dismiss those parts that don't.

Tell me, if the story of Genesis shouldn't be taken literally, should any of the Bible be taken literally? And, if it shouldn't be taken literally, why should it be considered anything other than a story?

 

[MrFungus420]

your right again, but keep in mind that these are OT, referring to mainly Jews.
A christian like my self views these quotes in the same manner you do.

I follow christ, not OT prophets.

Looks like I was right about thinking that you cherry-pick the parts of the Bible that suit you.

 

[i believe in tranquility]

Let's see, it's a fairly straight forward accounting taken from the Bible. If it is gibberish, then, I guess you have no problem dismissing the Bible itself as gibberish

Fungus, did you not see the whole post, it was in respone to Gibberish (the person i was talking to).

Ah, I see, you do think that the Bible can be dismissed as gibberish.

Either that, or you are just cherry-picking the parts of the Bible that support what you want, and dismiss those parts that don't.

Tell me, if the story of Genesis shouldn't be taken literally, should any of the Bible be taken literally? And, if it shouldn't be taken literally, why should it be considered anything other than a story?

I dont find the bible to be gibberish, i find some of the creation stories to be twisted in todays society, into what people want them to be. In response to your question:

Like I said before: the CREATION stories should NOT be taken in a lteral form becuse OBVIOUSLY through scientific summaries, we know for a FACT that females DID NOT come from a RIB.

The teachinsg of Yesus I think should be read literally because to take his work unliterally would be to "kind of" beilve in what he says.


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Now this part is for Kal:

That's nice, but it matters little whether you claim to follow the carpenter or the sky cadet, as he never explicitly condemns all the laws from the OT.

I claim to follo Jesus AND God because Jesus came to "fullfill" as he clearly states, the LAWS of the OT. Jesus uses a radical or summation method of describing the LAWS. He states the law and then refines it. Example:

27"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.'[e] 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

You can see his style of radicalizing the old laws.
An example o his summation:

34Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:
36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[c] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

There is where he clearly sums up the laws.

 

[kal-el]

Gibberish, my whole point is that the creation stories in Genesis should not be taken in a literal sense.

2 Peter 1:20Above all you must understand that no prophesy of scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation

There ya go. The bible cleary states the scripture is not up for interpretation.

 

[kal-el]

I claim to follo Jesus AND God because Jesus came to "fullfill" as he clearly states, the LAWS of the OT. Jesus uses a radical or summation method of describing the LAWS. He states the law and then refines it. Example:

"29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away."- Wow, you claim to prefer the NT teachings of Jesus, why don't you gouge out your right eye? "30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away."- more loving carpenter quotes I see.:lol: Using your logic about the Genesis creation not being taken literally, well then, the events surrounding Jesus might be metaphorical as well. I love it how Christians randomly decide when a said passage is literal or metaphorical.:lol:

You can see his style of radicalizing the old laws.
An example o his summation:

34Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:
36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[c] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

There is where he clearly sums up the laws.

Dude, I'm not arguing that he didn't summerize the laws of the OT, but he didn't change them, he certainly didn't condemn the barbaric practices.

 

[MrFungus420]

Fungus, did you not see the whole post, it was in respone to Gibberish (the person i was talking to).

Oops, my bad... :3oops:

Like I said before: the CREATION stories should NOT be taken in a lteral form becuse OBVIOUSLY through scientific summaries, we know for a FACT that females DID NOT come from a RIB.

The teachinsg of Yesus I think should be read literally because to take his work unliterally would be to "kind of" beilve in what he says.

Sorry, but this comes back to cherry-picking the Bible. If you are dismissing part of the Bible as wrong, why should any of it be taken literally?

Based on what you said, you only "kind of" believe in the Bible.

 

[i believe in tranquility]

Kal: that remark on cutting off hands, etc. is an hipubole. If Jesus were serious, than all of his apostles would be completely amputated, and unable to write about his teachings...lol.

Fungus: I dont beilve IN the bible, I beilve that the bible is the word of God, and obviously at the time people wernt questioning such questions which we have speculated today, such as "how is it possible for earth to be created in 6 days?" Now, im not saying that asking questions is wrong, its just that God didnt need to put exquisit detail for the people at the time.

Also, in response to the dismissing: I take it literally when Jesus says to love my enemies (even tho I already posses none). But i dont take it literally when the section in Genesis talks about a rib becoming woman...thats just who I am, and personly it really doesnt matter and effect my life overall. Its a rib. What is more important is the morals/ethics that I beilve in. That would be more engaging and fun to debate about if you would like...

 

[kal-el]

Kal: that remark on cutting off hands, etc. is an hipubole. If Jesus were serious, than all of his apostles would be completely amputated, and unable to write about his teachings...lol.

Can you please quote the chapter and verse where Jesus explains that he's joking?

 

[i believe in tranquility]

If you can show me a quote and verse where his apostles say they dont have eyes and hands....lol

 

[Apostle13]

Can you please quote the chapter and verse where Jesus explains that he's joking?

It's apparent He is speaking of the importance for a true disciple to go to great lengths to eradicate the sin from their lives... Else how can they be true..? Jesus's teachings are often comprised in metaphors and allegories.
"He who has an ear let him hear what the Spirit is saying" is a reference to the believer, thus enlightened. Even the most habitual sin would be gladfully, willfully forfeited if it were to become a choice between lust or eye gouging. Theft or a good ol'hand choppin' party.

If you can show me a quote and verse where his apostles say they dont have eyes and hands....lol

That'd be funny if only I could see it.

 

[kal-el]

If you can show me a quote and verse where his apostles say they dont have eyes and hands....lol

Of course I can't. But Jesus made it crystal clear that he came to uphold the laws, not dismiss them. And you must except the entire bible, not just cherry-pick passages:

Timothy 3:16
All scripture is god-breathed

Everything in the bible is the word of god, or inspired by god.

 

[kal-el]

It's apparent He is speaking of the importance for a true disciple to go to great lengths to eradicate the sin from their lives...

Actually, he is speaking to a crowd of people, his disciples were in attendence though. Can you site the verse where he says he's speaking of the importance for a true disciple to go to great lenghts to eradicate sin, that seems to be a problem here, placing opinions to a book that needs no interpretation. Until you can at least provide a scintilla of scripture to back up your wild assertions, your just emiting airy hope.

Else how can they be true..?

I suppose this is scripture based?

Jesus's teachings are often comprised in metaphors and allegories.

Correct, but in that sermon, the bible does not even so much as hint at the fact that that sermon is a parable.

 

[i believe in tranquility]

Of course I can't. But Jesus made it crystal clear that he came to uphold the laws, not dismiss them. And you must except the entire bible, not just cherry-pick passages

umm..that wasnt Jesus. That was TImothy.

Everything in the bible is the word of god, or inspired by god.

Yes, and corrupted by the human desires of power, greed, money. Even by simply tranlations the interpretators did, made God sound so male oriented, but through reading the OT in Hebrew (obviously you know..its original text), we see many translations that are in fact "made" up.

Basically, its inspired by God, and corrupted by men.

 

[kal-el]

umm..that wasnt Jesus. That was TImothy.

What are you referring to? If you're reffering to that passage in Matthew, sorry, that was your homeboy Jesus.

Yes, and corrupted by the human desires of power, greed, money. Even by simply tranlations the interpretators did, made God sound so male oriented, but through reading the OT in Hebrew (obviously you know..its original text), we see many translations that are in fact "made" up.

Basically, its inspired by God, and corrupted by men.

Fallible men do not posses the faculties enabling them to corrupt infallible wording. How do you know some translations are "made up?" If that's the case, who's to say the whole bible isn't "made up?"

 

[i believe in tranquility]

all im saying that that people who want power will use religion to acheive that.
Example: George Bush: he says God told him to go to Iraq (he claims to be christian, but obviously disregards Jesus's teachings on loving your enemies...to be honest, i dont think he even knows about that teaching).