How Much "Sin" Are We Born With?

[Argent]

Lets be real here.
The whole concept of all babies being born with "sin" because of something that (theoretically) happened 6000-ish years ago, with one person, is so ludicrously insane it hurts.
So surely the "dying for our sins" would erase that bit of idiocy wouldn't it?

Attempting to find consistency and reason in religious creed is futile.

 

[Dragonfly]

Oh stop...correction...sin/imperfection gave you cancer...

Special Pleading, deflection, and avoidance all in the same post.

Great job.

 

[Dragonfly]

Only God has the right to take a life...pay attention...

How do you know that god isn’t directing a person to have an abortion.

 

[Argent]

Only God has the right to take a life...pay attention...

Lol, as usual you missed the point. People use medical care to extend their lives and to try to avoid death, especially in the case of terminal illnesses. Playing god. You are always heroic in your attempts to deflect/avoid the inconsistencies/hypocrisy/lies of religious creed but you are never successful.

 

[Logician Man]

Only God has the right to take a life...pay attention...

Law abiding individuals don't retain the legal right to use lethal force to defend him/herself and/or family members or other innocents from violent criminals if/when necessary? If you see a violent perpetrator attempting to murder/rape your child, you are just going to stand idly by, and allow the perp to murder/rape your little child or your little, defenseless grand child without attempting to defend that child or grand child because you believe "Only God has the right to take a life?

 

[Daisy]

How do you know that god isn’t directing a person to have an abortion.

Because God’s law to Moses protected the life of an unborn baby against even more than criminal abortion...an accident resulting in a miscarriage called for the same penalty...“then you must give soul for soul"...Exodus 21:22-25...

 

[Daisy]

Lol, as usual you missed the point. People use medical care to extend their lives and to try to avoid death, especially in the case of terminal illnesses. Playing god. You are always heroic in your attempts to deflect/avoid the inconsistencies/hypocrisy/lies of religious creed but you are never successful.

No, you did...the convo was about taking a life...

 

[Daisy]

Special Pleading, deflection, and avoidance all in the same post.

Great job.

Do the math...without sin, no one would die...

"just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned." Romans 5:12

 

[Loulit01]

Because God’s law to Moses protected the life of an unborn baby against even more than criminal abortion...an accident resulting in a miscarriage called for the same penalty...“then you must give soul for soul"...Exodus 21:22-25...

Yeah, except there's zero evidence there were Jews in Egypt at the time of The Old Kingdom.
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But a clue to the true identity of the builders was revealed in 2010 when archaeologists discovered mud-brick tombs more than 4,000 years old of the laborers who built the famous Pyramids at Giza. Slaves were usually buried in rather simple graves, usually covered with simple reed matting. The graves discovered in Giza contained jars of beer and bread for the afterlife. The slightly more elaborate burial accommodations led archaeologists to conclude that the builders were paid laborers, probably local Egyptians. Inspection of the skeletal remains indicated that workers ate meat regularly and worked in three-month shifts. It is estimated that the construction in Giza required 10,000 workers to labor more than 30 years to build a single pyramid. Though they were not slaves, the bones indicated they lived a life of hard labor.

Amihai Mazar, a respected professor at the Institute of Archaeology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, dispelled the myth of Jews building the pyramids.

“No Jews built the pyramids because Jews didn’t exist at the period when the pyramids were built,” Mazar said about the discovery in Giza.

Did the Jews Build the Pyramids?

theisraelbible.com

Did Jewish Slaves Build the Pyramids?

exodusmyth.com

Furthermore, says Amihai Mazar, professor at the Institute of Archaeology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, “No Jews built the pyramids because Jews didn’t exist at the period when the pyramids were built.” It wasn’t until over 600 years after the last of the large pyramids had been built that Israel came into existence, and over 2,000 years after the Great Pyramid had been completed that Jews are evidenced to have been in Egypt.

The Great Pyramids of Ancient Egypt – Jewish Slave Myth Examined | World History

worldhistory.us

 

[Dragonfly]

Because God’s law to Moses protected the life of an unborn baby against even more than criminal abortion...an accident resulting in a miscarriage called for the same penalty...“then you must give soul for soul"...Exodus 21:22-25...

Special Pleading again.

You constantly claim that the Old Testament laws have no bearing on Christians.

 

[Daisy]

Special Pleading again.

You constantly claim that the Old Testament laws have no bearing on Christians.

God's moral laws on taking a human life do not change...it was wrong when Cain did it, it is still wrong today...

 

[Logician Man]

God's moral laws on taking a human life do not change...it was wrong when Cain did it, it is still wrong today...

Exodus 22:18 (NIV ) - "Do not allow a sorceress to live."

 

[Argent]

Exodus 22:18 (NIV ) - "Do not allow a sorceress to live."

There are exceptions to every rule, LOL. The old testament authors seem to be quite fond of capital punishment. From Wikipedia: "...homicide, striking one's parents, kidnapping, cursing one's parents, witchcraft and divination, bestiality, worshiping other gods, violating the Sabbath, child sacrifice, adultery, incest, and male homosexual intercourse (there is no biblical legal punishment for lesbians).[1]"

 

[Dragonfly]

God's moral laws on taking a human life do not change...it was wrong when Cain did it, it is still wrong today...

Congrats on derailing the thread.

Now - to get back ON TOPIC.

How much "sin" does a newborn have/get at birth? Can you address the actual topic?

 

[Jacksprat]

Exactly how much "sin" are we born with?
A tiny bit? A lot?
Enough to send us to Hell if we die soon after birth?
Not enough to really matter?
Do different newborns have different amounts of sin, or is all dished out equally at birth?
If absolutely everyone has it from birth, in equal amounts, isn't it pretty much nullified by design at that point?

Wouldn't "Jesus dying for our sins" pretty much erase the "sin" you were born with?
Birth sin would surely be the most reasonable, and easiest sin to erase with a sacrifice.


Lets be real here.
The whole concept of all babies being born with "sin" because of something that (theoretically) happened 6000-ish years ago, with one person, is so ludicrously insane it hurts.
So surely the "dying for our sins" would erase that bit of idiocy wouldn't it?

Whole idea of sin is a horrible idea.

 

[Dragonfly]

Whole idea of sin is a horrible idea.

The magnitude of how far up the ramp you have to go to get to assigning sin to newborn's is rather significant in it's barbarism.

 

[Jacksprat]

The magnitude of how far up the ramp you have to go to get to assigning sin to newborn's is rather significant in it's barbarism.

Agree, the Christian idea of being born is sin is barbaric.

 

[VanceMack]

We are not born having committed sin...we are born human...mankinds nature is fallible...subject to sin...and all who sin are capable of forgiveness.

 

[VanceMack]

Congrats on derailing the thread.

Now - to get back ON TOPIC.

How much "sin" does a newborn have/get at birth? Can you address the actual topic?

Why didnt you pee yourself over the person that TOOK the thread of course?

 

[Daisy]

Congrats on derailing the thread.

Now - to get back ON TOPIC.

How much "sin" does a newborn have/get at birth? Can you address the actual topic?

I was NOT the one who brought abortion into it...your topic is stupid...

 

[Dragonfly]

I was NOT the one who brought abortion into it...your topic is stupid...

Yet you keep posting in it.

So the concept of newborns having sin, and being sinners, is perfectly reasonable to you?

 

[Daisy]

Yet you keep posting in it.

So the concept of newborns having sin, and being sinners, is perfectly reasonable to you?

Yes, sin is much like any defect which we are ALL born with...

 

[Logician Man]

your topic is stupid..

This guy^ certainly doesn't appear to believe the thread topic is "stupid." Clearly, you and Stephen Lett ( Jehovah Witness Governing Board member ) are in major disagreement as to whether, or not, the thread topic is "stupid."

 

[mrjurrs]

Exactly how much "sin" are we born with?
A tiny bit? A lot?
Enough to send us to Hell if we die soon after birth?
Not enough to really matter?
Do different newborns have different amounts of sin, or is all dished out equally at birth?
If absolutely everyone has it from birth, in equal amounts, isn't it pretty much nullified by design at that point?

Wouldn't "Jesus dying for our sins" pretty much erase the "sin" you were born with?
Birth sin would surely be the most reasonable, and easiest sin to erase with a sacrifice.


Lets be real here.
The whole concept of all babies being born with "sin" because of something that (theoretically) happened 6000-ish years ago, with one person, is so ludicrously insane it hurts.
So surely the "dying for our sins" would erase that bit of idiocy wouldn't it?

Tabula rasa.

 

[Rich2018]

Exactly how much "sin" are we born with?
A tiny bit? A lot?
Enough to send us to Hell if we die soon after birth?
Not enough to really matter?
Do different newborns have different amounts of sin, or is all dished out equally at birth?
If absolutely everyone has it from birth, in equal amounts, isn't it pretty much nullified by design at that point?

Wouldn't "Jesus dying for our sins" pretty much erase the "sin" you were born with?
Birth sin would surely be the most reasonable, and easiest sin to erase with a sacrifice.


Lets be real here.
The whole concept of all babies being born with "sin" because of something that (theoretically) happened 6000-ish years ago, with one person, is so ludicrously insane it hurts.
So surely the "dying for our sins" would erase that bit of idiocy wouldn't it?
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None, because "sin" doesn't exist.