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How many people can the US take?

tshade said:
Immigrants have made this nation great------let's keep it going
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OK. There will continue to be immigrants, I dont think thats just going to stop.
 
noonereal said:
a musing, if you will indulge me, before I reply:
"Oh the simplicity of Trumpism. Grunt, push, shove. Never a reasoned approach to anything.
I do admire the consistence of ignorance they enjoy."
(you may quote me)

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It's not a matter of how many we can take it is a matter of how many we want to take.

A 1 percent increase in U.S. population made of immigrants yields a GDP rises 1.15 percent.

The challenge is political not numerics.
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Ummm, Trump isn't president anymore. But when he was we didn't have this problem. This is 100% caused by Joe opening the border.
Of course GDP numbers go up when a country adds immigrants. Do you even know how GDP works? When you digitally create a trillion fiat dollars out of thin air to help pay for the social services that millions of immigrants need.....that adds to GDP. With your way of thinking; the more illegals we bring in, the more our economy will improve.
 
tshade said:
Immigrants have made this nation great------let's keep it going
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So, the more, the better? Are you proposing opening the borders completely?
 
Roger Duke said:
Do you even know how GDP works?
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Let's just say I know far more than you.

Roger Duke said:
When you digitally create a trillion fiat dollars out of thin air to help pay for the social services that millions of immigrants need.....that adds to GDP.
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This is one of the most appalling ignorant posts I have ever read on the internet.

BTW, this brief exchange gave rise to a thread I just posted. https://debatepolitics.com/threads/anti-intellectualism.457315/

peace
 
PeacefulWarrior said:
President Biden is paying people to sit on their butt?

Where? Who?

How do I get signed up on that program? I like the sounds of that!
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If you think that is fake news you are mistaken. Even liberal media has done plenty of stories on why people aren't going back to work.
 
Roger Duke said:
Except that they both need help and money and resources are limited.
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Two fun facts about the history of immigration in this country:

1. Folks opposed to it have always said that immigration is bad for the economy.
2. The economy has grown to be one of the most powerful in the world.
 
j brown's body said:
Economic theory dictates that an economy expands with an increase in population.
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Yep, and so is our national debt. I'm still waiting for economic genius noonereal to explain why creating trillions of dollars in fiat currency debt and handing it to our grandkids is a good thing.
 
As far as solving the problems leading to the border issues, I think you can cross that one off for awhile after the fiasco in Afghanistan. How much was thrown at that over 20 years to be undone in a few days? What needs looking into is the competency of the military and the ability of their intelligence before we go solving another thing.
 
We're going to need to take in a number of Arghan refugees. This war is at least similar to Vietnam.
 
element94 said:
What needs looking into is the competency of the military and the ability of their intelligence before we go solving another thing.
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Add president to military.
Kamala proposed that we go to Central American countries and solve their problems.
 
Helix said:
We're going to need to take in a number of Arghan refugees. This war is at least similar to Vietnam.
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Should we take in less people from Central America or just add refugees from Haiti and Afghanistan to their numbers? What about all the other troubled countries? How many people can the US handle?
 
tshade said:
Let's hope not. The GOP and their supporters often act like they would like to stop it. XENOPHOBES
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There is nobody credible in the GOP who is proposing ending all immigration. If you don't want the borders open to all 7 billion humans, you would be a xenophobe by the standards of some. Do you want to open the borders to everybody?
 
Roger Duke said:
There is nobody credible in the GOP who is proposing ending all immigration. If you don't want the borders open to all 7 billion humans, you would be a xenophobe by the standards of some. Do you want to open the borders to everybody?
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Our borders are open to all with some exceptions by law
 
Roger Duke said:
Should we take in less people from Central America or just add refugees from Haiti and Afghanistan to their numbers? What about all the other troubled countries? How many people can the US handle?
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I don't see an ethical way to refuse entry to Afghans who helped the US and are very likely to be killed because of it. Every country who participated in the war should take their share.
 
Helix said:
I don't see an ethical way to refuse entry to Afghans who helped the US and are very likely to be killed because of it.
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I agree. Many of these people risked their lives and we cannot abandon them.
This is going to be difficult though. Once our military gets all US civilians out, should we risk US military lives to evacuate our Afghan allies? I'm sure they number in the tens of thousands over these 20 years. If there was a way to know that no US service member would be harmed it would be an easy decision. The Taliban is being patient with the evacuation for now but when they see Afghan natives being evacuated they will probably take action since they want revenge on the people they consider to be traitors.
 
We aren't taking on any more people. The plan is to exchange do nothing right wingers who spread lies for hard working immigrants who actually want to do something for the country.
 
Roger Duke said:
I agree. Many of these people risked their lives and we cannot abandon them.
This is going to be difficult though. Once our military gets all US civilians out, should we risk US military lives to evacuate our Afghan allies? I'm sure they number in the tens of thousands over these 20 years. If there was a way to know that no US service member would be harmed it would be an easy decision. The Taliban is being patient with the evacuation for now but when they see Afghan natives being evacuated they will probably take action since they want revenge on the people they consider to be traitors.
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It was always going to have to end eventually. I don't see a good way to do it. The best thing would be to not do something like Vietnam or Afganistan again, and I'm talking about those who make the decisions, not those who serve. As for your specific question, I'd say get as many out as quickly as possible.
 
The U.S. doesn't have an open southern border. But then, you knew that before you typed it, along with the rest of the right wing propaganda machine.
 
Roger Duke said:
Should we take in less people from Central America or just add refugees from Haiti and Afghanistan to their numbers? What about all the other troubled countries? How many people can the US handle?
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It's not about "handling", it's about providing enough labor to continue to grow our economy. Immigration has politicized just as Covid has (by the same people) when it should be an economic issue guided by economists.

We are not even one of the top 50 countries in the world for population density so the only concerns should be as I stated, economic.
 
Mach said:
The U.S. doesn't have an open southern border. But then, you knew that before you typed it
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I do not believe this is true. Anyone on a diet of Fox and Friends is likely to believe it.
 
Roger Duke said:
Good. I was worried that nobody was going to be brave enough to put up a number. Since it's easy to calculate what is the answer?. How many people can the US take?
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That's a tough number to pin down. Thomas Malthus in the 1700s was the first to start worrying about overpopulation. He did very rigorous and thorough calculations (based on the agricultural technology of the time) that the world's population was going to reach a maximum very soon based on the amount of land available. His calculations were off by just a bit.
 
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