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How many nations could conceivably destroy america, if so inclined?

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Any one of Russia, UK and France, could get up with a bad hangover and fire 200 nukes stateside.
Russia could probably send 2000 nukes stateside.

Is there anyone else out there that could get up tomorrow and end your world, if they decided to?
 
An army of 900 well trained men, smuggled across our wide open borders, and armed inside the United States would bring our society to collapse in a weekend. It doesn't take a military confrontation or a weapon of mass destruction.

1) They attack shopping malls / centers and kill thousands forcing America to shut down,
2) They destroy the grid by simply taking down massive transmission lines,
3) They hit key choke points and diesel fueling stations so that our commerce is toast, food shipments end,

America would implode in 10-20 days.

Any one of Russia, UK and France, could get up with a bad hangover and fire 200 nukes stateside.
Russia could probably send 2000 nukes stateside.

Is there anyone else out there that could get up tomorrow and end your world, if they decided to?
 

not if russia nuked them first
 
Mexico is doing a pretty good job at destroying America. America has been under invasion for over forty years now.

Question is, will Congress surrender with comprehension immigration reform ? Over 10 % of Mexico's citizens are already occupying America and President Obama and the Democrat Party want to wave the white flag and surrender.
 
Any one of Russia, UK and France, could get up with a bad hangover and fire 200 nukes stateside.
Russia could probably send 2000 nukes stateside.

Is there anyone else out there that could get up tomorrow and end your world, if they decided to?


Mmkay.


First, "has 200 nukes" does not mean "could send 200 nukes to another continent successfully tomorrow". That requires the right kind of missles, or aircraft, and there are other factors involved.

At the height of the Cold War, there were estimates that perhaps no more than 1/3 of Russia's missile force was actually properly maintained and capable of successful launch and successful attack. It is probably far worse today.

However, it is a good argument in favor of perfecting the missile defense systems we are currently working on. They are not yet up to standard, but everything requires RnD and time.

In the meantime, massive retaliation remains the primary deterrent.
 
The biggest threats to America right now are non-State actors, like private financial institutions, globalists and terrorists.

Soft powers like China are already chipping away at us, via trade deficits.

No one has to attack us to take us down. We are rotting from the inside out, thanks to our own people betraying us.
 

Im pretty sure the uk and france have deployment. Russia too for that matter.

The uk have astute submarines a blue water navy and 200 nukes. What more is there?

Of course it does. However the issue is, if more countries go nuclear, the MAD system becomes less relevant.
 

And it's very likely that more countries will be going nuke.

Japan for example and many allies and non allies in the western Pacific depended on America's nuclear umbrella. With the over downsizing of our nuclear arsenal and just Obama in general, many countries can no longer depend on America's nuclear umbrella.

Just a few months ago the last U.S. Navy Tomahawk nuclear tipped cruise missile was eliminated from our nuclear arsenal.

After almost fifty years U.S. Navy warships can now make port calls too New Zealand.
 

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Hey, do you have any stats on which systems/rockets were decommissioned?

Cheers,
Fallen.

Edit: stems -> systems
 
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It's hard to envision a scenario where any country decides to attack America with nuclear weapons. What would their purpose be? To take out the vast land that is America, you pretty much would destroy the entire planet. Not to mention all the doomsday nukes that will be coming at you in return.

The whole worlds wealth is still measured in US Dollars. A damaged or destroyed America renders all those dictator bank accounts worthless. Pretty much causing death and starvation for the few survivors. As things are today, I'd be more worried about asteroids than about nukes.

Some day, when the smaller countries have them, we may yet see a regional nuclear war. But even that is doubtful. No matter how much the leaders of the crazy nations are, well, crazy, in the end they usually have big bank accounts and lavish lifestyles. Using nukes anywhere is likely to interrupt their pleasures.

As for America "rotting from the inside", I'll refer you to a genre-creating Sci-Fi book published in 1984. Neuromancer by William Gibson. The Japanese were then the ones sucking away our economy and the future looked like all Japan all the time. That's not what happend though and China will not eat us alive either. Regardless of the outcome of the pending immigration legislation, we'll survive that also just as we have for so mant decades now.

The state of the nation is strong (enough). Specklebang for President 2016.
 

I think the multipolar world is an interesting thing.

America couldnt ever nuke France for instance, without getting sent to the stone age.

Doesnt matter how you cut it, no american president is likely to invade france any time soon either.
 
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Hey, do you have any stats on which stems/rockets were decommissioned?

Cheers,
Fallen.

The U.S. Naval Institute carried the story about the retirement of the Navy's nuclear Tomahawk cruise missiles.

But so did Federation of American Scientist (FAS)

US Navy Instruction Confirms Retirement of Nuclear Tomahawk Cruise Missile:
US Navy Instruction Confirms Retirement of Nuclear Tomahawk Cruise Missile - FAS Strategic Security Blog

Federation of American Scientist is a pretty reliable source for info on America's nukes. I'm sure you can find what your looking for here -> https://www.fas.org/


Federation of American Scientists :: Status of World Nuclear Forces

(Still) Secret US Nuclear Weapons Stockpile Reduced - FAS Strategic Security Blog

United States Nuclear Forces

nuclear weapons Archives - The FAS Blog


Navigate around the site and try using the FAS search engine. Be careful of outdated info.
 

Thank you very much , i"ll check 'em out.

Cheers,
Fallen.
 

On the contrary MAD becomes much more relevant. Normal people don't like dying.
 
How many nations could conceivably destroy america, if so inclined?

Why bother?

We are doing just fine at destroying our own nation...
 

The British Nuclear Deterrent is hardly independent and actually relies heavily on the Americans and American technology. :roll:

 
The British Nuclear Deterrent is hardly independent and actually relies heavily on the Americans and American technology. :roll:

Im pretty sure they can push the button independently. America does not have an off switch for the uks deterrent.
 
Im pretty sure they can push the button independently. America does not have an off switch for the uks deterrent.

The Americans make them, maintain them and provide the satellite intelligence to target them.

So you can press the button as much as you want, but it's not really going to do anything without US guidance.

 
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Im not so sure about that one. You are saying astute submarines cant fire a nuke into america without american permission.

For obvious reasons this would limit their second strike use in the first place.

These things are designed to be used if America and the UK no longer exist. Think about what youre saying.
 

I very much doubt that an Astute Submarine is going to fire a nuclear weapon full stop, as they only carry conventional warheads in the shape of Tomahawk missiles with a 1,000lb explosive warhead as opposed to the UK Trident Nuclear submarines which carry nuclear warheads. :roll:

Tomahawk Cruise Missile

Astute Class | Royal Navy

In terms of a trident upgrade/replacement there are those who have been arguing that Britain has alternatives to an American led trident system, with a joint Anglo-French Nuclear force or downgrading the American system and fitting nuclear weapons to tomahawk missiles however this could still be expensive and require major investment in new technology and facilities as well as an increased number of Astute boats.

UK and France should build nuclear deterrent together, says minister | World news | The Guardian

BBC News - France's enduring nuclear deterrent

RUSI - Debating the Deterrent: Why the Cruise Missile Option Does Not Add Up

As things stand at the moment it must be concluded that Britain would have severe difficulty in launching a nuclear attack without US authorisation making the only concept of an independent nuclear deterrent flawed. Not that we have any wish to attack a fellow NATO country and ally such as the US.
 
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Yes and the trident system is being replaced, hence the future tense. :roll:

Essentially this system is meant to exist irrespective of the existence of the uk or usa, so i disagree.

Your whole evidence is a list of opinion pertaining to after the fact consequences of use.
 
jetski said:
Yes and the trident system is being replaced, hence the future tense. :roll:

The decision on Trident has not yet been taken and has been left until after the next general election in 2015 :roll:

Cameron in coalition rift over Trident nuclear system | Reuters

The Tories currently support replacing Trident, the Lib Dems are against and Labour is yet to announce a firm decision as to where they stand on the issue but have been keen to examine alternatives to the expensive Trident replacement system. The future of Trident will not be determined until after the 2015 election and will very much depend on which political party or coalition takes office.

jetski said:
Essentially this system is meant to exist irrespective of the existence of the uk or usa, so i disagree.

Your whole evidence is a list of opinion pertaining to after the fact consequences of use.

You disagree with the UK Parliamentary Defence Select Committee, as I am not arguing I am merely stating fact. :roll:

House of Commons - Defence - Written Evidence
 
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