How many Jihadist Terrorists & Supporters Are There?

[bhkad]

How many Jihadist Terrorists & Supporters Are There?

Around 1,000 globally and 20,000 sympathizers?

Around 10,000 globally and 50,000 sympathizers?

Around 50,000 and 250,000 sympathizers?

Around 150,000 and 500,000 sympathizers?

Around 1,000,000 and 50,000,000 sympathizers?

Spoiler

Asked to estimate the number of jihadist insurgents worldwide, Phares had some unsettling news.

"It depends on what the duty of such people [insurgents] would be," he told NewsMax. "Suicide bombers would be lower in number than of those who will fight, those who will spy, those who will provide funds. There are about from 5% to 6% to 8% jihadist sympathizers in the Muslim world, which is 1.1 billion, so we are talking about 50 to 60 million who sympathize with these ideas.

"They are all not committed, but out of those you have probably 1% of people who would fight. That's an army of 1 million. Among those, if you want to go to the most narrow dimension, there are about 100,000 suicide bombers around the world. For example, in Iraq there are probably 5,000, in Iran another 8,000 to 10,000, and within Hezbollah, 2,000.

"There is a pool of 100,000 people who have received this jihadist ideology and could be recruited for suicide bombing. Internationally, from an operational standpoint, there are somewhere around 5,000, and that's a huge number of suicide bombers. Look at England, for example the operation of [July 7, 2005 -- the subway bombings] involved eight terrorists The next year, in the operation that wanted to bring down the airliners, there were about 50. So it grows geometrically."

Walid Phares: Iraq Withdrawal a Catastrophe

 

[buttonpsi]

Those numbers will most definitely continue to rise in the future.

 

[Sergeant Stinger1]

If you had one billion I would have voted for it. I voted the highest number you had.

 

[bhkad]

Those numbers will most definitely continue to rise in the future.

"we are talking about 50 to 60 million who sympathize with these ideas.

They are all not committed, but out of those you have probably 1% of people who would fight. That's an army of 1 million. Among those, if you want to go to the most narrow dimension, there are about 100,000 suicide bombers around the world."

1,000,000 Warriors. 100,000 Suicide Bombers. 50 - 60,000,000 Sympathizers.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

"we are talking about 50 to 60 million who sympathize with these ideas.

They are all not committed, but out of those you have probably 1% of people who would fight. That's an army of 1 million. Among those, if you want to go to the most narrow dimension, there are about 100,000 suicide bombers around the world."

1,000,000 Warriors. 100,000 Suicide Bombers. 50 - 60,000,000 Sympathizers.

Warriors? Check you fire.....

 

[imprtnrd]

How many???? TOO MANY!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Dipsomaniac]

My signature says it all...

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Target rich environment.

 

[Panache]

"we are talking about 50 to 60 million who sympathize with these ideas.

They are all not committed, but out of those you have probably 1% of people who would fight. That's an army of 1 million."

:lol:

Yeah... Phares needs to learn some math...

60,000,000
x .01
600,000

 

[buttonpsi]

:lol:

Yeah... Phares needs to learn some math...

60,000,000
x .01
600,000

That means that if all of the people we killed in Iraq were terrorists we would have taken care of the problem by now.

 

[Panache]

That means that if all of the people we killed in Iraq were terrorists we would have taken care of the problem by now.

Are you suggesting that we would kill anyone who wasn't a terrorist?

Surely at least half the people we killed were terrorists, which would knock the number of Jihadist terrorists in the world down to less than 300,000.

If 1% of those are suicide bombers, thats only 30,000.

 

[buttonpsi]

Are you suggesting that we would kill anyone who wasn't a terrorist?

Surely at least half the people we killed were terrorists, which would knock the number of Jihadist terrorists in the world down to less than 300,000.

If 1% of those are suicide bombers, thats only 30,000.

No we don't kill people who aren't terrorists. For even THINKING we would kill innocent people, you my friend are a terrorist. :lol:

 

[cherokee]

My signature says it all...

"Suicide bombers need practice ranges."

Hell yeah that’s a great idea. You can even pay for it out of my tax dollars.
Better yet broadcast it on PPV with judges.. I’d watch …


Next we have Ackmed from Palestine
demonstrating the new Islamic fish bomb.

 

[bhkad]

19 million Muslims for jihad
...and that's just in Indonesia
By Michelle Malkin · October 15, 2006 10:00 PM

First, read the latest headline:
One in 10 Indonesia Muslims back violent jihad: poll

The details:
Around one in 10 Indonesian Muslims support jihad and justify bomb attacks on Indonesia's tourist island of Bali as defending the faith, a survey released on Sunday showed.

Indonesia is the world's fourth most populous country, with 220 million people, 85 percent of whom follow Islam, giving the Asian archipelago the largest Muslim population of any nation in the world.

"Jihad that has been understood partially and practiced with violence is justified by around one in 10 Indonesian Muslims," the Indonesian Survey Institute said in a statement.

"They approved the bombings conducted ... in Bali with the excuse of defending Islam," it added, saying the percentage of such support "is very significant."

While the vast majority of Indonesia's Muslims are relatively moderate, there has been an increasingly vocal militant minority and political pressure for more laws that are in line with hardline Muslim teachings.

The poll surveyed a random sample of 1,092 Muslim men and women.

Now, some quick math:

220 million Indonesians.

85 percent of them Muslim.

1 in 10 of those Muslims support suicide bombings to "defend their faith." (As Robert Spencer notes, "that's just those who are willing to tell a pollster something that they would know the government would not likely be happy to hear.")

So, that's 19 million Muslims for violent jihad in "moderate" Indonesia alone.

Another survey published over the summer underscores the myth of "moderate" Muslim Indonesia. The Washington Times editorialized:
More than two-thirds of Indonesians favor the country's current secular system of law, according to a privately funded nationwide survey by the Indonesian Survey Circle, a pollster. If that seems like good news, read it this way: This means there are "only" about 82 million Indonesians who favor Shariah. Approximately 216 million out of Indonesia's approximately 246 million inhabitants, or nearly nine-tenths of the population, are Muslims. And while Indonesia's religious and cultural climate is justifiably regarded as moderate in comparison to much of the rest of the Muslim world -- and its government is a very useful ally against terrorism -- the numbers still leave plenty of room for concern.

Just over two-thirds of respondents disapprove of the death penalty for those who renounce Islam, according to the survey, which was first reported by Rupert Murdoch's www.news.com.au. More than three-quarters of Indonesians disapprove of mandatory head scarves. Nearly two-thirds oppose stoning for adultery. More than 75 percent are against severing the hands of thieves.

When the aggregate numbers of people are factored in, the study looks considerably more disturbing. If one-quarter of Indonesians favor cutting off the hands of thieves, it suggests that upwards of 60 million Indonesians favor the practice. If roughly 164 million Indonesians oppose stoning adulterers, it means that more than 80 million favor doing so.

Add those jihadi-endorsing and sharia-embracing masses to these Muslims polled in Britain in July:
13% of British Muslims think that the four men who carried out the London Tube and bus bombings of July 7 2005 should be regarded as “martyrs”

7% agree that suicide attacks on civilians in the UK can be justified in some circumstances, rising to 16 per cent for a military target

16% of British Muslims say that while the attacks may have been wrong, the cause was right

16% would be “indifferent” if a family member decided to join al-Qaeda and two per cent would be proud

And toss in these European Muslims polled by Pew in June:

Michelle Malkin » 19 million Muslims for jihad…and that’s just in Indonesia

 

[Iriemon]

Therefore, what?

 

[Gibberish]

Of course a majority of the faith would support aggressive action to oppression of their faith. The focus is what is defined as 'oppression'?

Al-Qaeda calls for a Jihad using political motives as supposed "faith oppression". They would not be able to give a single example of Islam being condemned, suppressed, or oppressed in America or any Western nation, YET they still call for Jihad against these nations. Why? Purely political reasons marketed as needing the call of a religious response.

The numbers itself is not surprising depending on how the question was presented. If asked, "Would you support physical attacks in defense of religious oppression?", You would get many response to Yes. The more personal you get to the individuals religious beliefs the more people will answer yes. If I asked a bunch of evangelicals if they would support a "Jihad" against Eastern culture trying to destroy the Vatican and annihilate Christianity how many do you think would support the fight?

I wonder how many of these individuals that are labeled supporters are directly in support to Jihad as defined by Al-Qaeda and are not just agreeing with the idea of Jihad to stop religious persecution and/or oppression.

In the end it is all about the question presentation.

 

[Panache]

Come on bkahd, I want to hear you defend Phares' math.

"we are talking about 50 to 60 million who sympathize with these ideas.

They are all not committed, but out of those you have probably 1% of people who would fight."

What is 1% of 50 to 60 Million?

 

[niftydrifty]

Those numbers will most definitely continue to rise in the future.

This article from 2005 says that support for bin Laden and Islamic militant violence has declined in Muslim countries. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4684989.stm

This article reports that “a new survey shows that support for terrorism and suicide bombings has declined in several Muslim countries. The survey, conducted by the Pew Global Attitudes Project -- part of the Washington-based Pew Research Center -- also shows that many people in Muslim countries share Western concern over Islamic extremism.” World: Poll Finds Muslim Approval Of Terrorism Declines - RADIO FREE EUROPE / RADIO LIBERTY

This article from June 2006 says that there have been substantial declines in Jordan, Pakistan and Indonesia, in the percentages of Muslims saying suicide bombings and other forms of violence against civilian targets can be justified to defend Islam against its enemies. Daily News Egypt - Full Article

 

[Doremus Jessup]

All of Islam and all of the American left.:doh :2wave:

 

[bhkad]

Come on bkahd, I want to hear you defend Phares' math.



What is 1% of 50 to 60 Million?

Panache, that's an irrelevant pissant of an issue.

 

[bhkad]

Therefore, what?

Therefore we should not pull out of Iraq.

 

[Iriemon]

Therefore we should not pull out of Iraq.

How is that a solution to the tens of millions of terrorists you claim are there? You figure the few thousand guys we kill in Iraq is going to solve the problem?

 

[Panache]

Panache, that's an irrelevant pissant of an issue.

Said the author of the thread titled "How many Jihadist Terrorists & Supporters Are There?":lol:

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

And I thought the title of this thread was going to be 'How many Jihadist Terrorists & Supporters does it take to change a lightbulb'. Man, am I disappointed...unless Panache is right and the answer is 600,000.

 

[bhkad]

How is that a solution to the tens of millions of terrorists you claim are there? You figure the few thousand guys we kill in Iraq is going to solve the problem?

You need this explained???

Pay attention this time, son.

We are trying to create enough stability so the MODERATE IRAQI GOVERNMENT can congeal and then grow strong enough to protect itself and provide the services that all Iraqis deserve.

When the MODERATE IRAQI GOVERNMENT can defend itself from the Jihadists and their supporters then radical Islam will not spread into Iraq like a cancer.

Now tell me if you have any questions.

If you don't ask any questions I'll take that to mean you understand this and that you won't be acting dense in future threads on this topic.