How many firearms do you own?

[Ethereal]

Have you ever been attacked/robbed/assaulted by a criminal???
And if it is the case, do you think a gun would have made a difference?

Why do you continually demand that people rationalize the exercising of their rights? Why are you so opposed to the idea of repsonsible gun ownership? Do you actually believe firearms do not or have not stopped criminal activity from coming to fruition?

I've noticed that in this country there's an inverse relationship between the legitimacy of your gun ownership and the amount of guns you own.

I actually need a gun, I have one. Crazy McLibertarian Mountainman has an entire armory, despite his total safety.

Yes, anyone who doesn't conform to your narrow world view must be crazy.

 

[new coup for you]

The difference between myself and most American gun owners is that I've actually been mugged and my house has actually been broken into, multiple times in both instances. My weapon is to protect me from real people, not phantoms of the New World Order or The Rapture or whatever.

 

[Ethereal]

The difference between myself and most American gun owners is that I've actually been mugged and my house has actually been broken into, multiple times in both instances. My weapon is to protect me from real people, not phantoms of the New World Order or The Rapture or whatever.

The only difference is the importance you afford your subjective interpretation of reality over that of others. Gun ownership is a right. Some people choose to exercise that right to a lesser or greater degree than you. What makes you think the manner in which you excercise that right is anymore legitimate than that of others?

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Have you ever been attacked/robbed/assaulted by a criminal???

Succsessfully? Nope

And if it is the case, do you think a gun would have made a difference?

It has. indeed.

 

[rivrrat]

I actually need a gun, I have one. Crazy McLibertarian Mountainman has an entire armory, despite his total safety.

Why do you think he's safe? :lol: (hint: could have something to do with his armory )

Actually though, Mountainman is more likely to be an avid hunter.

 

[new coup for you]

He's safe because his closest neighbor is 50 miles away and his cousin.

Even better is Suburban Comandos who need machine guns despite the total safety of their picturesque McMansion housing divisions...i.e. most of Texas.

 

[Bodi]

How many surfboards do you own? How many is to much?

I own three. One big wave board, one long board and one short board. All three have a unique role and can only be ridden in certain conditions. I own one set of Viper surfin fins. One pair of basketball shoes, etc. I know people that own 50 surf boards and that is just as strange too me as guns, except that guns are made to end peoples lives. I guess that some people collect the remnents of torture devices too, and that is just as strange. Collecting and revering death is whacko, IMO.

Tucker... I hear you, and my thoughts about how they differ are noted above. Death vs. Not.

 

[Bodi]

Why do you continually demand that people rationalize the exercising of their rights? Why are you so opposed to the idea of repsonsible gun ownership? Do you actually believe firearms do not or have not stopped criminal activity from coming to fruition?



Yes, anyone who doesn't conform to your narrow world view must be crazy.

But why do we have the right to own guns? It is not just some random right... it serves a purpose that just about everybody ignores or has forgotten. A shame. :2razz:

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

I own three. One big wave board, one long board and one short board. All three have a unique role and can only be ridden in certain conditions. I own one set of Viper surfin fins. One pair of basketball shoes, etc. I know people that own 50 surf boards and that is just as strange too me as guns, except that guns are made to end peoples lives. I guess that some people collect the remnents of torture devices too, and that is just as strange. Collecting and revering death is whacko, IMO.

Tucker... I hear you, and my thoughts about how they differ are noted above. Death vs. Not.

See that is where you are wrong. Remeber my pacificst quote? That is me revering life, and having the tools to be in defense of all sentient beings requires this,

Let's say a new sufrboard comes out you are not convinced is better, do you learn th platform to judge yourself or do you remain ill informed to judge for yourself?

I own a carbine, a rifle, and a couple of pistols, all for specific purposes, I also own a dozen or so other platforms that I but and sell so can familiarize myself with them,

Do you see a problem with this?


Are you familiar with "satsujinken" and "katsujinken"

 

[Bodi]

See that is where you are wrong. Remeber my pacificst quote? That is me revering life, and having the tools to be in defense of all sentient beings requires this,

Let's say a new sufrboard comes out you are not convinced is better, do you learn th platform to judge yourself or do you remain ill informed to judge for yourself?

I own a carbine, a rifle, and a couple of pistols, all for specific purposes, I also own a dozen or so other platforms that I but and sell so can familiarize myself with them,

Do you see a problem with this?


Are you familiar with "satsujinken" and "katsujinken"

I am not wrong about anything here, what are you on about? :lol:
I see zero problems with my line of thinking.
It is minimalism, and nothing more.

If I see a new short board, I might buy it... owning two is not owning one hundred. If I like it, I keep it and probably give away or sell my first board. If I don't I do the same to the second, new board.

I fail to see how 100 guns serve 100 legitimate and distinctive purposes. A pistol, rifle, shotgun, automatic and a couple of others PERHAPS... but 100 is overkill. Doubling and tripling up or more on the same weapon? OK.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

I am not wrong about anything here, what are you on about? :lol:
I see zero problems with my line of thinking.
It is minimalism, and nothing more.

If I see a new short board, I might buy it... owning two is not owning one hundred. If I like it, I keep it and probably give away or sell my first board. If I don't I do the same to the second, new board.

I fail to see how 100 guns serve 100 legitimate and distinctive purposes. A pistol, rifle, shotgun, automatic and a couple of others PERHAPS... but 100 is overkill. Doubling and tripling up or more on the same weapon? OK.

You know what you are right, owning 200 m4's to you and me seems rediculous. but until ou stop that old woman from owning 23 cats, there is no problem in my book about it.

 

[Bodi]

You know what you are right, owning 200 m4's to you and me seems rediculous. but until ou stop that old woman from owning 23 cats, there is no problem in my book about it.

That is all I am saying. :2razz:

About the cats... just to play Devils Advocate, perhaps she is looking out for the wellfare of the stray and unloved creatures out threre. Who are you to think that she is goofed up and strange... Huh?!

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

That is all I am saying. :2razz:

About the cats... just to play Devils Advocate, perhaps she is looking out for the wellfare of the stray and unloved creatures out threre. Who are you to think that she is goofed up and strange... Huh?!

exactly..... I am looking out for the welfare of all those rifles. :lol:

 

[Bodi]

exactly..... I am looking out for the welfare of all those rifles. :lol:

I see your point... the rifles need love too! :2razz:

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

I see your point... the rifles need love too! :2razz:

Are you asking to watch me make love to my rifles? :shock:





BTW the jersey shore was kickin with shoulder heights and longer rides for the east, must have been hurricane remnans. reminded me of feburary........ spent the weekend down at lbi....

 

[Bodi]

Are you asking to watch me make love to my rifles? :shock:





BTW the jersey shore was kickin with shoulder heights and longer rides for the east, must have been hurricane remnans. reminded me of feburary........ spent the weekend down at lbi....

We are coming out of a wind terrorized winter now, spring and summer are looming and I can't freaking wait to get back in the water... and just leave that poor rifle alone, it has enough worries, with killing people and all on its conscious.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

We are coming out of a wind terrorized winter now, spring and summer are looming and I can't freaking wait to get back in the water... and just leave that poor rifle alone, it has enough worries, with killing people and all on its conscious.

:lol: we are doing baja an Barbados again this winter. What kind of sling do you reccomend for each coast? :mrgreen:

 

[Ethereal]

But why do we have the right to own guns? It is not just some random right... it serves a purpose that just about everybody ignores or has forgotten. A shame.

And how does the "crazy mountain Libertarian" owning several firearms violate the spirit or exceed the scope of that right?

 

[SgtRock]

Im looking at a new purchase. A Magnum Research Desert Eagle .44 magnum semi automatic pistol. I fired one at the range and man it sure gave me a hard on.

 

[bub]

Why do you continually demand that people rationalize the exercising of their rights? Why are you so opposed to the idea of repsonsible gun ownership? Do you actually believe firearms do not or have not stopped criminal activity from coming to fruition?

The USA is the only industrial country in the world where there are so many guns. There are 90 guns / 100 inhabitants, while other countries have much lower rates (France = 30/100)

U.S. most armed country with 90 guns per 100 people | Reuters


Then, gun violence in the USA is much higher than any industrial country

Overall homicide rate > per 100,000 pop. (most recent) by country
#14 United States: 9.1
#22 Portugal: 3.31
#29 Germany: 1.635
#30 Spain: 1.4962

Murders with firearms (per capita) (most recent) by country
#8 United States: 0.0279271 per 1,000 people
#21 Germany: 0.00465844 per 1,000 people
#26 Ireland: 0.00298805 per 1,000 people
#27 Australia: 0.00293678 per 1,000 people
#28 Denmark: 0.00257732 per 1,000 people
#29 Spain: 0.0024045 per 1,000 people

NationMaster - Murders with firearms (per capita) (most recent) by country


- American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control)

- In one year, more children and teens died from gunfire than from cancer, pneumonia, influenza, asthma, and HIV/AIDS combined. (Children's Defense Fund)

- The rate of firearm deaths among kids under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)

-Every day, more than 80 Americans die from gun violence. (Coalition to Stop Gun Violence)

- American kids are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun, 11 times more likely to commit suicide with a gun, and nine times more likely to die from a firearm accident than children in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control)

Gun Violence Statistics



That's why I think that the "gun culture" has caused much more deaths than it has saved lifes.

 

[Ethereal]

The USA is the only industrial country in the world where there are so many guns. There are 90 guns / 100 inhabitants, while other countries have much lower rates (France = 30/100)

U.S. most armed country with 90 guns per 100 people | Reuters


Then, gun violence in the USA is much higher than any industrial country

Overall homicide rate > per 100,000 pop. (most recent) by country
#14 United States: 9.1
#22 Portugal: 3.31
#29 Germany: 1.635
#30 Spain: 1.4962

Murders with firearms (per capita) (most recent) by country
#8 United States: 0.0279271 per 1,000 people
#21 Germany: 0.00465844 per 1,000 people
#26 Ireland: 0.00298805 per 1,000 people
#27 Australia: 0.00293678 per 1,000 people
#28 Denmark: 0.00257732 per 1,000 people
#29 Spain: 0.0024045 per 1,000 people

NationMaster - Murders with firearms (per capita) (most recent) by country

One of the oldest and most easily refuted logical fallacies of all time - correlation is not causation.

- American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control)

- In one year, more children and teens died from gunfire than from cancer, pneumonia, influenza, asthma, and HIV/AIDS combined. (Children's Defense Fund)

- The rate of firearm deaths among kids under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)

-Every day, more than 80 Americans die from gun violence. (Coalition to Stop Gun Violence)

- American kids are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun, 11 times more likely to commit suicide with a gun, and nine times more likely to die from a firearm accident than children in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control)

Gun Violence Statistics

And how do you propose to stem this slaughter? Also, the emboldened sources are not credible, whereas the CDC sources are not linked. Provide the direct links to the CDC stats so that I may peruse them accordingly.

That's why I think that the "gun culture" has caused much more deaths than it has saved lifes.

That wasn't my question. I repeat, why do you continually demand that people rationalize the exercising of their rights? Why are you so opposed to the idea of responsible gun ownership? Do you actually believe firearms do not or have not stopped criminal activity from coming to fruition?

Also, as an aside, what exactly is "gun culture" and how is it responsible for firearm related deaths?

 

[scourge99]

Im looking at a new purchase. A Magnum Research Desert Eagle .44 magnum semi automatic pistol. I fired one at the range and man it sure gave me a hard on.

Just mentioning a .44 magnum makes my hand hurt.

 

[UtahBill]

Concerning murder rates, I wonder how we can factor in the many who are killed by machetes in Darfur and other small countries with unstable or corrupt governments....
Guns just make it easier to kill, they are in no way the CAUSE of murders. If someone wants you dead, you will get killed....

 

[UtahBill]

+ if your son had a gun, maybe he would have shot at the drunk guy (because I guess he was feeling threatened) instead of finding a cop.

We don't carry guns on our persons or in our cars....
And my son was sober, the other kids were drunk and therefore stupid. Luckily their weapon of choice was a golf club and not a gun.

 

[bub]

One of the oldest and most easily refuted logical fallacies of all time - correlation is not causation.

That is not true:
- Canada has changed its legislation about guns in 1995. 8 years later, in 2003, homicide rate had decreased by 15% and the number of killed wifes had dropped by 40%
- 5 years after having made it more difficult to buy guns in Australia, the homicide rate among women had dropped by 50%
- the presence of guns at home increases the risk of being killed by 41%, while the risk for women to be killed increases by 272%
Fiche de synthèse : femmes victimes de la violence armée au sein du foyer

That wasn't my question. I repeat, why do you continually demand that people rationalize the exercising of their rights?

what do you mean?

Why are you so opposed to the idea of responsible gun ownership?

Because it increases the risk of being killed. The statistics in my previous post showed a strong correlation between the number of guns and the murder rate (which is MUCH higher in the USA than in any other industrial country), this post provides links showing the causality.

Do you actually believe firearms do not or have not stopped criminal activity from coming to fruition?

This argument is not valid: there is a myth about "guns will allow me to protect myself against burglars and people who attack me". However, not only the criminality rate isn't high (there is very little chance of being attacked, and when thiefs enter your house you're likely not to be at home), furthermore the availability of guns is dangerous for you and your family.

718 women have been murdered in the USA in 2000. According to your beliefs about guns, "if they had a shotgun they could have defended themselves and the death toll would be much lower". But 605 of these women have been murdered by their husbands (thus with guns that were at home) while only 105 (5 times less) of them have been killed by a stranger.

Let's say that you've got 1 chance out of x to be killed by a stranger. Pro-gun people will argue that guns will allow you to defend yourself, but statistics show that instead of having 1 chance of being killed, you've got 5 chances of being killed.

VPC - Facts on Firearms and Domestic Violence

Also, as an aside, what exactly is "gun culture" and how is it responsible for firearm related deaths?

By "gun culture" I meant the fact that many of you possess several guns and are proud of it.

Why is that responsible for homicides?

"having one or more guns in the home made a woman 7.2 times more likely, to be the victim of such a homicide."

"Having a gun in the home makes it three times more likely that you or someone you care about will be murdered by a family member or intimate partner"

"A firearm in the home may be a key factor in the escalation of nonfatal spousal abuse to homicide. In a study of family and intimate assaults for the city of Atlanta, Georgia, in 1984, firearm-associated family and intimate assaults were 12 times more likely to result in death than non-firearm associated assaults between family and intimates. "

VPC - Facts on Firearms and Domestic Violence