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how long will you give Garland the benefit of the doubt?

How long will you give Merrick Garland the benefit of the doubt?


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Trump Special Counsel is a dogged Weissman type. he might recommend prosecution, but that's now politically impossible
But there are always "process crimes" -what they do when they got nothing
Obstruction of an investigation by refusing to comply with lawful court orders is a “process crime”. Witness tampering is a “process crime”. Perjury is a “process crime”.

Federal/state prisons across America are full of criminals convicted of “process crimes”.
 
Oh-- I thought Trump was going to be indicted. It became kind of hard to defend him with respect to mar-a-lago as the facts rolled out.

But now with Biden being also caught with his mishandling documents...
If you going to go after Trump, you are going to have to go after Biden.
equal justice under the law and all that.

But we only get equal punishment if the crimes are equal. Without intent, no criminal charges can be brought. Biden and Pence are cooperating and Trump still is not.
 
Obstruction of an investigation by refusing to comply with lawful court orders is a “process crime”. Witness tampering is a “process crime”. Perjury is a “process crime”.

Federal/state prisons across America are full of criminals convicted of “process crimes”.
no SCounsel= no process crimes. how many times have we seen this?
gin up an SC -the SC comes back with crap like Weissman/Mueller "nothing there" - but they go after the target for lying/obstruction etc.
 
The DOJ took his phone, examined it, and returned it.
As per Perry, the DOJ told him that he was a witness and not a subject of their investigation.

Which is a lie he told to try to cover for his unethical behavior in not recusing himself from the house investigation into the Jan 6 investigation.
 
The DOJ took his phone, examined it, and returned it.
As per Perry, the DOJ told him that he was a witness and not a subject of their investigation.

Sure. He's a witness who's refusing to cooperate. His phone may very well have pertinent information on it regarding any number of things related to the overall coup. He also asked for a pardon with the rest.

If he's just a witness, why is he hiding what he knows? Could it be that he possibly committed a crime?
 
Sure. He's a witness who's refusing to cooperate. His phone may very well have pertinent information on it regarding any number of things related to the overall coup. He also asked for a pardon with the rest.

If he's just a witness, why is he hiding what he knows? Could it be that he possibly committed a crime?
Or at the very least would expose those of Trump. I think there is a good chance Smith may have a flipper in his sights .
 
The DOJ took his phone, examined it, and returned it.
As per Perry, the DOJ told him that he was a witness and not a subject of their investigation.

You can take election denier Perry at his word.

“On Jan. 5, according to the docket, a three-judge appeals court panel put a temporary hold on Howell’s ruling. The appeals panel assigned to the case — which includes Trump appointees Neomi Rao and Gregory Katsas, as well as Karen Henderson, who was appointed by President George H.W. Bush — rejected prosecutors’ immediate attempt to access Perry’s documents. Those judges instead set out a schedule for additional legal briefing and a Feb. 23 oral argument at the Prettyman federal courthouse in Washington.

Perry is a crucial figure in the ongoing investigation into Trump’s attempts to overturn his loss to Joe Biden. House and Senate probes have described Perry as an important ally to Trump in the chaotic weeks between the 2020 election and Jan. 6, 2021, when a mob of pro-Trump rioters stormed the Capitol in a bid to disrupt the transfer of power.”

Attempting to invoke our Constitution’s Speech and Debate Clause didn’t work for Graham, when his actions in GA were clearly outside of his duties as SC’s senior Senator, and it isn’t going to protect Perry either.
 
no SCounsel= no process crimes. how many times have we seen this?
gin up an SC -the SC comes back with crap like Weissman/Mueller "nothing there" - but they go after the target for lying/obstruction etc.
You’re embarrassing yourself with these ^ stupid lies.

"As set forth in the report, after that investigation, if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so”


Traitor Trump repeatedly interfered (obstructed) with Mueller’s investigation.

A fact that every honest, informed American already knows.
 
Sure. He's a witness who's refusing to cooperate. His phone may very well have pertinent information on it regarding any number of things related to the overall coup. He also asked for a pardon with the rest.

If he's just a witness, why is he hiding what he knows? Could it be that he possibly committed a crime?

The phone was returned. The DOJ had what they wanted.
 
But we only get equal punishment if the crimes are equal. Without intent, no criminal charges can be brought. Biden and Pence are cooperating and Trump still is not.

That isn't true.
The standard is gross negligence not intent.
 
You can take election denier Perry at his word.

“On Jan. 5, according to the docket, a three-judge appeals court panel put a temporary hold on Howell’s ruling. The appeals panel assigned to the case — which includes Trump appointees Neomi Rao and Gregory Katsas, as well as Karen Henderson, who was appointed by President George H.W. Bush — rejected prosecutors’ immediate attempt to access Perry’s documents. Those judges instead set out a schedule for additional legal briefing and a Feb. 23 oral argument at the Prettyman federal courthouse in Washington.

Perry is a crucial figure in the ongoing investigation into Trump’s attempts to overturn his loss to Joe Biden. House and Senate probes have described Perry as an important ally to Trump in the chaotic weeks between the 2020 election and Jan. 6, 2021, when a mob of pro-Trump rioters stormed the Capitol in a bid to disrupt the transfer of power.”

Attempting to invoke our Constitution’s Speech and Debate Clause didn’t work for Graham, when his actions in GA were clearly outside of his duties as SC’s senior Senator, and it isn’t going to protect Perry either.

Ok. An up to date article
Sounds like it's not a partisan struggle here Hakeem Jeffries also supports Perrys position
 
That isn't true.
The standard is gross negligence not intent.
No it's not. Is intent, knowledge and intent. What statute are you quoting?
 
Assuming Garland is NOT corrupt, one of the nine people in US government circles who is not.

As a journalist I spent a good part of my life waiting & watching for the outcome of investigations.

Those of growing withered, take heed that as each day passes and nothing happens is a pretty good indicator that the investigation is going smoothly, and incrementally closing in on it's target. For me, a perceived delay is a growing sign the case will be charged, and it will get a conviction.

When the announce early, it usually means someone spilled. When they take a long time, like with high profile cases, that are dotting t's and crossing i's, getting second opinions.

My guess is that the longer it takes, the more severe the charges.
I just hope you are right. Nevertheless, it is soothing, in kind of a perverse way, to read your opinion.
 
Ok. An up to date article
Sounds like it's not a partisan struggle here Hakeem Jeffries also supports Perrys position
So what? Jeffries added support is irrelevant to the actual issue of Perry’s involvement in Traitor Trump’s attempted coup.
 
18 US SEC 793
Yes that is the one that the search warrant was obtained on in Trumps case where the subject matter of the documents matters more than there classification but there is no reason to believe it applies to Biden. We have no information that his documents related to national defense. It much more like the statute 18 1924 which refers to removal of classified documents that requires knowledge and intent not gross negligence.


 
So what? Jeffries added support is irrelevant to the actual issue of Perry’s involvement in Traitor Trump’s attempted coup.

The issue they are slugging it out over is institutional authority. Which explains Jeffries actions.

As far as the merits of what the DOJ is trying to find out about Perry et al, it appears it's nothing more than a specious constitutional theory regarding the authority of the VP and Congress.
 
1924 for Biden won't be it as it exempts removals to Congress. Some of these documents were from his Senate days.
.....and other than deflection... your point would be ?
 
The issue they are slugging it out over is institutional authority. Which explains Jeffries actions.
Already understood.
As far as the merits of what the DOJ is trying to find out about Perry et al, it appears it's nothing more than a specious constitutional theory regarding the authority of the VP and Congress.
The speciousness is in the argument that Perry, Graham, and/or other members of Congress are entitled to speak/involve themselves in (potentially illegal) matters very clearly outside the scope of the Speech and Debate clause.
 
The speciousness is in the argument that Perry, Graham, and/or other members of Congress are entitled to speak/involve themselves in (potentially illegal) matters very clearly outside the scope of the Speech and Debate clause.

Making a specious legal argument, in this situation as to the authority of the VP and Congress, is not a crime.
 
Making a specious legal argument, in this situation as to the authority of the VP and Congress, is not a crime.
Arguing against allowing DOJ to access Perry’s phone isn’t the potential crime I was referring to.
 
🤷‍♂️ The allegations of incitement -- which is what we usually hear Trump supposedly did-- is all about holding somebody liable for causing somebody else to do what that person did.
If Trump is charged with anything re: 1/6, and I'm not positive that he will be, it very likely may not include incitement.

But to the point you raised, and an issue that I've personally explained 10 times or more: the defendants in the criminal case wanted to deflect responsibility from themselves by claiming they were following Trump's orders. The old "the devil made me do it" defense.

The prosecution taking the position that they don't get to shirk all criminal responsibility by blaming Trump IS NOT THE SAME AS THE PROSECUTION ADMITTING TRUMP HIMSELF HAS NO CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT.......THE.......SAME!!!!!!
 
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