How Leftist Policies Destroy Black Communities

[Grim17]

Fox Business Network analyst Charles Payne talked about the role leftism has played in shaping African American neighborhoods, in an interview he did last week on the Glenn Beck show. He bases it all on his personal experience of growing up first as an army brat, then at age 13 having to live in Harlem.

This interview will hopefully open a few people's eyes to the long term effects that liberal policies have on poor and minority communities.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqlND7FqD_0"]YouTube - Glenn Beck Clips 10-01-09 Seg4- Chalres Paine: Amazing Story of a Black Man in America[/ame]

 

[Agnapostate]

How so? What we've heard is an anecdotal report from an individual, not anything that provides broader insights into this issue through analysis of large data sets. For that, we'd need to refer to an empirical source such as Acs's The Impact of Welfare on Young Mothers' Subsequent Childbearing Decisions:

Politicians, the press, and the public have become increasingly worried about welfare becoming a "lifestyle" in which women have multiple births both to increase their incomes and to prolong their stays on the welfare roles. Such concerns have given rise to policy proposals such as the "family cap" which would deny welfare recipients higher welfare payments if they have another child while on welfare. This paper examines the relationship between welfare and births to women who already have a child, using data on young mothers from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth (NLSY). I find that variations in welfare benefit levels and the incremental benefit have no statistically significant impacts on the subsequent childbearing decisions of young mothers in general, nor on the subsequent childbearing decisions of women who received welfare in particular. Furthermore, mothers who received welfare to support their first children are no more likely to have additional children in any given year through the age of 23.

The reason why rightists are inclined to rely on unsupported assertions and anecdotal accounts is because more thorough empirical analysis does not support their perspective.

 

[Grim17]

That study is irrelevant to this thread. It examines if welfare impacts the number of children a woman chooses to have. It has nothing to do with how liberal social policies effect the African American community.

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[Agnapostate]

Please accept my utmost apologies. I just got a bit confused when he said "Y'know, we wait for our welfare checks, we wait for it like you know, people wait for it like 'I'm waiting for my check, like it's something I worked for.' You know? And it's taking away everything..."

 

[Grim17]

Please accept my utmost apologies. I just got a bit confused when he said "Y'know, we wait for our welfare checks, we wait for it like you know, people wait for it like 'I'm waiting for my check, like it's something I worked for.' You know? And it's taking away everything..."

According to Payne, welfare is just a part of the problem. When he was asked where this animosity in the black communities comes from, this was his response:

“I really believe honestly, I believe a lot of this goes back to when black Americans accepted this liberal premiss that we’re not accountable for anything; that because we’re descendants from slaves, that you know, ‘it’s OK, it’s not your fault, you’re a victim’ - and they’ve created this sort of pool… you know it’s not just a physical ghetto I’m talking about but a mental, sort of barrier.

“Where, you see, OK Michael Vick is a victim of the justice system, not a person who committed a crime. That mentality is pervasive. You see it over and over, and it’s fed to us and it’s fed to us, and it’s fed to us - and we accept it. We take it.

“And at the end of the day what we’re getting for it: we wait for our welfare checks. We wait for it - people wait for it like ‘I wait for my check,’ like it’s something I worked for. And it has taken away everything; everything that God gave us innately - you know, when you put two people on an island they’re going to have certain things innately; they’re going to have the desire to survive, to thrive, to do better - all that is suppressed in our community. And what’s left is this sort of squalor.”

 

[PeteEU]

Yea, cut off all welfare and let the slackers live or die.. much easier.. Cut off healthcare too since why waste money. Maybe put in place the poor house again for those that cant pay bills.. forced hard labour as punishment I say!.. Back to the 1800s and early 1900s! Mass poverty, high infant mortality and widespread easily curable epidemics killing off many people.. will reduce the over all problem naturally!. Oh how about putting in the forced sterialzation of certain groups of the population.. poor black and native American women, black men, orphaned black children? Would keep the problem at bay!

Back to the roots!..

 

[WI Crippler]

Yea, cut off all welfare and let the slackers live or die.. much easier.. Cut off healthcare too since why waste money. Maybe put in place the poor house again for those that cant pay bills.. forced hard labour as punishment I say!.. Back to the 1800s and early 1900s! Mass poverty, high infant mortality and widespread easily curable epidemics killing off many people.. will reduce the over all problem naturally!. Oh how about putting in the forced sterialzation of certain groups of the population.. poor black and native American women, black men, orphaned black children? Would keep the problem at bay!

Back to the roots!..

This post is nothing but crap. Why don't you discuss the issue of how liberal policies have negatively affected black communities(or have helped), rather than just spout off nonsense. Way to jump off the deep end.

 

[Regicollis]

This post is nothing but crap. Why don't you discuss the issue of how liberal policies have negatively affected black communities(or have helped), rather than just spout off nonsense. Way to jump off the deep end.

I think he is just describing how wonderful things were before those evil commie liberals decided to destroy black communities with welfare.

 

[WI Crippler]

I think he is just describing how wonderful things were before those evil commie liberals decided to destroy black communities with welfare.

Well I don't think anybody has suggested returning to any of those things. Just another jump off the deep end, as nobody has suggested anything "evil" or communist in nature here.
Why no discussion on the "victim-state" mentality that permeates the black community. After all, like the guy said, when Michael Vick is looked at in some circles as the victim of the system, rather than a criminal, you have a problem.
I think most people recoginze that wrongs were commited against blacks, and that a helping hand was certainley needed, to right those wrongs. But at what point do we begin to expect those communities to start doing things for themselves, and rather than be victims in society, become the victors within society.

 

[Agnapostate]

According to Payne, welfare is just a part of the problem.

His point (and yours) was a derivative of the standard rightist talking point that welfare has crippled the black community because giving them handouts without requiring them to work has ensured that their sense of responsibility is underdeveloped, which accounts for their continued poverty, lower IQ levels, higher criminality levels, etc. Unfortunately for you, actual empirical research as opposed to anecdotal reports and baseless rightist assertions, doesn't support that perspective.

 

[PeteEU]

This post is nothing but crap. Why don't you discuss the issue of how liberal policies have negatively affected black communities(or have helped), rather than just spout off nonsense. Way to jump off the deep end.

Because this whole thread and discussion is a load of crap that is the point.

It is a typical right wing fantasy post without any reality sense what so ever.

 

[MarxistPirateNinja]

Fox Business Network analyst Charles Payne talked about the role leftism has played in shaping African American neighborhoods, in an interview he did last week on the Glenn Beck show. He bases it all on his personal experience of growing up first as an army brat, then at age 13 having to live in Harlem.

This interview will hopefully open a few people's eyes to the long term effects that liberal policies have on poor and minority communities.

YouTube - Glenn Beck Clips 10-01-09 Seg4- Chalres Paine: Amazing Story of a Black Man in America

How Ayn Rand took over the American Right...

 

[Cassandra]

According to Payne, welfare is just a part of the problem. When he was asked where this animosity in the black communities comes from, this was his response:

“I really believe honestly, I believe a lot of this goes back to when black Americans accepted this liberal premiss that we’re not accountable for anything; that because we’re descendants from slaves, that you know, ‘it’s OK, it’s not your fault, you’re a victim’ - and they’ve created this sort of pool… you know it’s not just a physical ghetto I’m talking about but a mental, sort of barrier.

“Where, you see, OK Michael Vick is a victim of the justice system, not a person who committed a crime. That mentality is pervasive. You see it over and over, and it’s fed to us and it’s fed to us, and it’s fed to us - and we accept it. We take it.

What drivel! What the guy is spewing is a Fox loving mantra (Liberalism is to blame) through which to avoid personal/ community responsibility.

 

[Catz Part Deux]

I think he is just describing how wonderful things were before those evil commie liberals decided to destroy black communities with welfare.

It's actually been rather common knowledge since Moynihan's "The Negro Family: The Case for National Action," dated 1965.

 

[Cassandra]

It may not be common knowledge that Obama has referenced Geoffrey Canada's Harlem project as the model for the way to lift communities out of poverty. The focus must be on the children- from birth. Canada's project has been extremely successful, so far.

Harlem Children's Zone Breaks Poverty Pattern : NPR

"Mr. CANADA: Well, it is clear that the students that we have started our project with - you know, there were some young people that we started with from birth, 11 years ago, they're now going into the fifth grade. Their scores on state tests are really indistinguishable from scores of white children. So for all intents and purposes, we eliminated that achievement gap for that group of young people who are in our schools. But we also have an older group of students, who we got when they were in the sixth grade, who were behind academically, and we've closed the achievement gap in that group in math. We still haven't done it in ELA, but we have done it in math.

So it just proves that these sort of artificial indicators, the achievement gap, which is consistently found throughout America, in all communities of color, is something that those of us in this business can close if we take this comprehensive approach.

CONAN: And it begins before birth.

Mr. CANADA: It really does begin before birth, I mean, and the science on this is clear. We know poor families are less likely to have good health care. They're less likely to get the kind of good baby checks that you need during pregnancy. We know that parents should avoid people who smoke, and they shouldn't drink. They should not be under a lot of stress. So our kids are literally coming in the world behind, and it just grows each year.

So by the time that you can begin to measure it - they've looked at some studies in terms of how children develop their language skills, and if you look at college-educated children and children on welfare, by the year three, by the time this child is three years old, there's a gap of about 800-words difference between the two groups. And that gap just increases every year after that. So the children start out behind, and they increasingly fall further and further behind each year"....

 

[Catz Part Deux]

Geoffrey Canada is one of my heroes. Thanks for posting this.

 

[Grim17]

His point (and yours) was a derivative of the standard rightist talking point that welfare has crippled the black community because giving them handouts without requiring them to work has ensured that their sense of responsibility is underdeveloped, which accounts for their continued poverty, lower IQ levels, higher criminality levels, etc. Unfortunately for you, actual empirical research as opposed to anecdotal reports and baseless rightist assertions, doesn't support that perspective.

The negative effects of welfare on the black community was only a small part of what Payne said. Besides, the problems that welfare creates, aren't exclusive to black communities. They effect everyone equally. What he indicated to be the greater problem was this:

“...a lot of this goes back to when black Americans accepted this liberal premiss that we’re not accountable for anything; that because we’re descendants from slaves, that you know, ‘it’s OK, it’s not your fault, you’re a victim’...

...you see, OK Michael Vick is a victim of the justice system, not a person who committed a crime. That mentality is pervasive..."


I think the man has a valid point. The liberals treating African Americans as "victims" for the last 45 years, rather than just treating them like every other American, has not only taught them to be angry and foster hatred, it's also justified those things being passed down from generation to generation.

For nearly 200 years prior to the civil rights movement, the outward expression of racism and anger toward black people, was considered acceptable behavior in American society. Because it was accepted, it was passed down throughout the generations, and in certain areas of the country grew stronger and stronger. The anger grew so widespread, that memberships were exploding for organizations like the KKK, which promoted, as well as took actions based on that growing anger.

Then the civil rights movement came along, and we watched the number of people that harbored hatred toward black people diminish, and has continued to decline every year since.

The reason that hatred and animosity toward African Americans is no longer passed down from generation to generation, is because society finally realized that hating someone based on race was wrong, and decided it would no longer tolerate anyone who expressed or embraced such views. Society demanded that it come to a stop, and made outcasts of those who refused.

Liberals have continued treating African Americans like "victims" over the last several decades, and in doing so have justified and condoned their anger and hatred toward white people, rather than treating them like Americans and holding them to the same standards society demands of every else.

When you combine that with the inner city crime, broken family structure, and depending on government welfare, I can understand exactly where Charles Payne blames liberal policies.

 

[Cephus]

I really don't buy into any of it. Yes, leftist policies may be harmful to black communities, but this all strikes me as another case of "we're screwed up, let's find someone to blame it on." Ultimately, if the black community has problems, they have no one to blame but themselves. When you have a majority of low-income black students dropping out of school, getting pregnant multiple times by multiple fathers by the time they're 18, being involved in drugs and gangs, all of those are personal choices. Yes, liberal policies can make those choices more attractive but that doesn't change the reality that young blacks make these decisions and need to take responsibility for them.

 

[mikhail]

I really don't buy into any of it. Yes, leftist policies may be harmful to black communities, but this all strikes me as another case of "we're screwed up, let's find someone to blame it on." Ultimately, if the black community has problems, they have no one to blame but themselves. When you have a majority of low-income black students dropping out of school, getting pregnant multiple times by multiple fathers by the time they're 18, being involved in drugs and gangs, all of those are personal choices. Yes, liberal policies can make those choices more attractive but that doesn't change the reality that young blacks make these decisions and need to take responsibility for them.

You must know however most people end around where they start.Thats not to say Liberals are right ethier because deep down in the dark forces that move people they actually depend on Black people not achieving.

 

[Grim17]

I really don't buy into any of it. Yes, leftist policies may be harmful to black communities, but this all strikes me as another case of "we're screwed up, let's find someone to blame it on." Ultimately, if the black community has problems, they have no one to blame but themselves. When you have a majority of low-income black students dropping out of school, getting pregnant multiple times by multiple fathers by the time they're 18, being involved in drugs and gangs, all of those are personal choices. Yes, liberal policies can make those choices more attractive but that doesn't change the reality that young blacks make these decisions and need to take responsibility for them.

I agree with a lot of what you said, but it still doesn't change why so much animosity and anger exists today in Black communities.

Let me explain my view on this another way.

White people for hundreds of years harbored animosity and hate toward black people, and taught their children to be the same way. What finally broke the cycle of hatred, was when society refused to tolerate that hatred anymore. As a nation of people, we decided it had to end and shunned anyone who still expressed racial hatred, or taught it to their children. We knew it was wrong, and anyone who refused to let it go was made an outcast of society. The were fired from jobs, employers wouldn't hire them, and they were publicly ridiculed if they dared to voice such views.

So ask yourself this... Why is it, that a society so vehemently opposed to racism of any kind, turns a blind eye when that racism comes from within the black community? Why doesn't societies rules apply to them?

The answer is simple... They have been labeled "Victims", so they get a pass.

For example, A person doesn't walk into a courtroom screaming the "F" word. It's not proper, not acceptable, and it will likely get that person thrown in jail... unless of course, they just watched their child get bludgeoned to death out in the hallway by a man with an ax. In that case, the person is labeled a "Victim", and they won't go to jail, and all is forgiven.

The thing is, black people as a whole, are no longer victims of discrimination and attacked by white people for being Black, yet they are still treated as such by the liberal left. You hear it in every politicians speech, and you hear it woven in to every liberal cause.

To me, this is the reason why so much of this animosity and anger still exists today. As long as the left continues to treat black people like victims, rather than just Americans, they will continue to harbor that anger because as victims, they are allowed to.

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[Cephus]

You must know however most people end around where they start.Thats not to say Liberals are right ethier because deep down in the dark forces that move people they actually depend on Black people not achieving.

Whether most people do or not is irrelevant, people have a choice and people who refuse to exercise that choice need to be held wholly responsible for it.

I will agree that liberals do need blacks to fail so they can keep throwing money into their bottomless social programs. Liberals, at their core, think no one can do anything without the help of the nanny state, they need an example so they actually punish people who try to get off welfare so most people just give up and stay on it forever. However, trying to blame the liberals as the sole problem doesn't even come close, it's still the responsibility of the individuals involved to get off their backsides and do something constructive with their lives.

It's another case of there being plenty of blame to spread around.

 

[Cephus]

The answer is simple... They have been labeled "Victims", so they get a pass.

But they only get a pass so long as we allow them to and that's the problem. Since the 1960s, nobody wants to cause waves, nobody wants to force anyone to be responsible for themselves. It's a bunch of finger-pointing nonsense, it's always got to be someone else's fault, that's what modern-day social liberalism is based on. No one is ever responsible for their own problems.

The thing is, black people as a whole, are no longer victims of discrimination and attacked by white people for being Black, yet they are still treated as such by the liberal left. You hear it in every politicians speech, and you hear it woven in to every liberal cause.

That's where you get black activists like Al Sharpton, who survive on telling blacks that everyone hates them and they have to hate everyone else back. These people don't want the black community to improve because if it does, they're out of a job.

 

[the makeout hobo]

Can I see a quote by an elected Democrat saying "it's all your fault"?

 

[PeteEU]

But they only get a pass so long as we allow them to and that's the problem. Since the 1960s, nobody wants to cause waves, nobody wants to force anyone to be responsible for themselves. It's a bunch of finger-pointing nonsense, it's always got to be someone else's fault, that's what modern-day social liberalism is based on. No one is ever responsible for their own problems.

So you are saying that the Republican party are liberals? The party of NO, te party of blaming Clinton for everything wrong during the Bush administration, the party of denying there are racial issues in the US, the party of sticking your head in the sand, the party of old white men.

Your argument goes both ways.. very easily.

 

[Grim17]

So you are saying that the Republican party are liberals?

No, I think he was clear.

The party of NO, te party of blaming Clinton for everything wrong during the Bush administration

No idea what you're talking about. Bet I can find 10 videos of the Obama administration blaming Bush, to every 1 you find of the Bush administration blaming Clinton.

the party of denying there are racial issues in the US

No, we're the party tired of liberals crying racism every time someone disagrees with Obama.