How Kim Jong-Un Outsmarted Trump over and over again..

[veritas1]

and now Trump can be added to the list as another failure. The only thing is that Clinton, Bush, and Obama didn't look stupid. Trump has joined the list but he has been the only one that has topped the stupid meter.

Oh, he gave them $4 billion in aid? How stupid is that? How naive is it?

 

[Ikari]

Yes, shame that Clinton, Bush and Obama utterly failed to do anything for 24 years and left it for Trump.

And Trump will leave it for the next guy as well, because he ain't gonna solve the NK problem.

 

[veritas1]

Oh, I see now. This is now the 45th EXCUSE for incompetence and stupidity.

By the way, one stupid question. Since when is Kim so important that Trump has to do something for the man's consumption?.......and by the way, it didn't work, did it?

More incompetence shown.

You're so obtuse that I'm sure you can't grasp that it was KIM's decision about whether or not to modify his behavior. How would you suggest that Trump make him do that? This is simply more Trump psychosis on display.

 

[Luckyone]

Oh, he gave them $4 billion in aid? How stupid is that? How naive is it?

?????? $4 Billion in aid?

 

[veritas1]

And Trump will leave it for the next guy as well, because he ain't gonna solve the NK problem.

Perhaps not but so what? He's made a more substantial effort than anyone and didn't give them a dime.

 

[veritas1]

?????? $4 Billion in aid?

Clinton Approves a Plan to Give Aid to North Koreans - The New York Times

 

[Ikari]

Perhaps not but so what? He's made a more substantial effort than anyone and didn't give them a dime.

I don't think he put in much effort other than trying to kiss up, but that didn't end up working. Sanctions don't seem to be working either. I guess it's back to golfing.

 

[snakestretcher]

It was always up to Kim to cooperate. Your need to take the side of any tyrant to gratify your Trump psychosis, is indeed unseemly.

America gets the first prize for siding with tyrants; the Shah of Iran, Pol Pot (offered a place at the UN by your genius leader), terrorist organisations like the Contra. You name it, America has its hands in their somewhere. Your CIA even trained tyrants and would-be despots at Fort Benning's School of the Americas, many of whom went on to become some of the worst human rights abusers. You have no moral high ground to preach from.

 

[Ikari]

Clinton Approves a Plan to Give Aid to North Koreans - The New York Times

No, Bill Clinton did not give North Korea $3 billion for nothing, as Donald Trump said | PolitiFact

Mostly false.

The Congressional Research Service, a nonpartisan arm of Congress, reported that between 1995 and 2008, the United States provided North Korea with over $1.3 billion in assistance.

CRS reported that "slightly more than 50 percent for food aid and about 40 percent for energy assistance." The funding was distributed from the end of Bill Clinton’s first term to the final year of George W. Bush. $666 million were given during the Clinton administration.

The portion for food aid was aimed at patching the chronic malnutrition faced by large portions of the North Korean population, as a result of famine and inequalities perpetuated by the dictatorship.

The United States provided energy funds of $549.7 million in two chunks to North Korea, one between 1995 and 2003, another between 2007 and 2009. From the context of his remark, it seems Trump was talking about the first stream under Clinton.

That’s the 1994 Agreed Framework, negotiated between the United States and North Korea amid threats from Pyongyang to pull out of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty.

In the treaty, North Korea agreed to halt production of plutonium, which is used for nuclear weapons. The country halted plutonium processing in Yongbyon and froze construction of two other reactors.

In return, an international consortium would replace North Korea’s plutonium reactor with two light-water reactors, mostly financed by Japan and South Korea, to provide the energy without nuclear capability. Meanwhile, the United States agreed to supply heavy fuel oil.

The two light-water nuclear reactors were never built. The United States nonetheless provided North Korea $400 million in heavy fuel oil until 2003. The money was distributed by the Korean Peninsula Energy Development Organization, the organization established to implement the Agreed Framework.

When Clinton was president, the United States provided $236 million.

 

[Luckyone]

You're so obtuse that I'm sure you can't grasp that it was KIM's decision about whether or not to modify his behavior. How would you suggest that Trump make him do that? This is simply more Trump psychosis on display.

The obtuse one is you. Why do you think that Clinton, Bush, and Obama did not try to do anything with NK. YOU CAN"T NEGOTIATE WITH A SOCIOPATH OR A MASS KILLER. They are sick in the mind. Only one to try has been Trump, who is a sociopath and sick in the mind himself. The only thing he accomplished is to look like a fool. Do you think that helps him with others that are intelligent and smart, like Xi and Putin. They are the ones saying "this man has proven to be an idiot, we can now do anything we want with him and get away with it". Is that the kind of thinking that is going to help us?

Think dude. Stop trying to excuse Trumps incompetence and realize that everything he does is turning to s**t.

 

[trixare4kids]

You're so obtuse that I'm sure you can't grasp that it was KIM's decision about whether or not to modify his behavior. How would you suggest that Trump make him do that? This is simply more Trump psychosis on display.

Just like most of the O/P's deliciously ironic threads.

 

[Mycroft]

Been hearing that same BS for years

Great diversion however

If, by "years", you mean since Trump has been President then yes...people who understand have been saying that. But it's not BS. It's been Trump's goal and tactics since day one.

Reality is not a diversion.

 

[Luther]

If, by "years", you mean since Trump has been President then yes...people who understand have been saying that. But it's not BS. It's been Trump's goal and tactics since day one.

Reality is not a diversion.

Uh... yeah...(LOL)

 

[azgreg]

best purchase ever!

 

[Bullseye]

Trump was taken to school by Kim Jong-Un in 2018 when Kim received the world recognition he wanted by Trump vising NK but having done so without giving anything in return.



Kim was so successful that he caused Trump to "fall in love with him"



and now (more than a year later), nothing has been accomplished:



It can now be convincingly said that Kim Jong-Un outsmarted Trump at his own game, conning people. Kim sold Trump a bill of Goods and Trump fell for it "hook, line and sinker".

Your TDS is reaching toxic levels. Did you really think everything was going to be "fixed" in a year or two? Read much history?

 

[RaleBulgarian]

It can now be convincingly said that Kim Jong-Un outsmarted Trump at his own game, conning people. Kim sold Trump a bill of Goods and Trump fell for it "hook, line and sinker".

Was there really any doubt the dotard got played? Nobody should be surprised.

 

[Luckyone]

Your TDS is reaching toxic levels. Did you really think everything was going to be "fixed" in a year or two? Read much history?

With Kim, it is NEVER going to get "fixed". Other presidents were "intelligent" enough to realize it. Only Trump has been dumb enough to try. In trying though, he has given Kim what he wanted, which is world-wide recognition. Not only has Trump failed as others have done but he has gone one step further and actually "helped and aided an enemy".

Simply stated, it is like giving your enemy a gun with which to shoot you with. Dumb, dumb, and more dumb.

 

[AProudLefty]

Jesus H. Christ. All this Trump worship in this thread. It's nauseating.

 

[Bullseye]

With Kim, it is NEVER going to get "fixed". Other presidents were "intelligent" enough to realize it. Only Trump has been dumb enough to try. In trying though, he has given Kim what he wanted, which is world-wide recognition. Not only has Trump failed as others have done but he has gone one step further and actually "helped and aided an enemy".

Simply stated, it is like giving your enemy a gun with which to shoot you with. Dumb, dumb, and more dumb.

LOL. Your abysmal knowledge of diplomacy and foreign relations is astounding. I suspect it's more a fear that your nemesis, Trump. may actually accomplish something your Dear Leader, Obama failed at.

 

[AProudLefty]

LOL. Your abysmal knowledge of diplomacy and foreign relations is astounding. I suspect it's more a fear that your nemesis, Trump. may actually accomplish something your Dear Leader, Obama failed at.

:lamo

 

[independentusa]

What Obama and Clinton did that was better was?

Terrible attempt at deflection. The NK's did not have mukes when they were in office and Trump is the one who said they were no longer a threat, something that niether of those mentioned by you ever said. Why do you not admit that Trump was fooled, because yo uknow he was by NK. NK never stopped their nuclear program or building rockets during this whole time, never.

 

[Luckyone]

LOL. Your abysmal knowledge of diplomacy and foreign relations is astounding. I suspect it's more a fear that your nemesis, Trump. may actually accomplish something your Dear Leader, Obama failed at.

Wanna put your money where your mouth is?

 

[Bullseye]

Wanna put your money where your mouth is?

Why would I? Trump said before his first meeting with Kim that nothing may come of it. I just find it appalling you are so ready to align yourself with Kim over your own country. JHC, every time he hiccups you go "oh, look Kim got Trump again".

 

[Luckyone]

Why would I? Trump said before his first meeting with Kim that nothing may come of it. I just find it appalling you are so ready to align yourself with Kim over your own country. JHC, every time he hiccups you go "oh, look Kim got Trump again".

Let me clue you in on something. Other than death and taxes, nothing is guaranteed or for sure but we all have to make decisions in life and most of us make them by evaluating the probabilities.

In Kim's case, the probabilities were 99.9% that he would not sign a treat of denuclearization. Most people normally would choose to not try to see if they can get lucky and get the .1% but for a president to attempt to see if he can get that .1% is just plain stupidity given that there are high amount of expenses involved that is paid for by tax payers and there are always other things happening of more importance to dedicate time to than to a wild-goose chase. Perhaps a half-hearted attempt could be made but you don't go to NK (worse still he did it TWICE) and you don't spend money on it, and you do it when nothing else is happening. The one thing you certainly don't do, is bend over backward for Kim. He not only will not do what you want but he will use you for his gains. Simply speaking, you do not make it a priority and you don't give up anything at all under any situation.

Trump did all of that and it is totally evident that Trump was the fool and Kim the smart one.

There is absolutely nothing you can say in his defense. It is all there is black and white and clear as a bell. Kim made Trump look like an idiot and a lackey.

 

[Bullseye]

Let me clue you in on something. Other than death and taxes, nothing is guaranteed or for sure but we all have to make decisions in life and most of us make them by evaluating the probabilities.

In Kim's case, the probabilities were 99.9% that he would not sign a treat of denuclearization. Most people normally would choose to not try to see if they can get lucky and get the .1% but for a president to attempt to see if he can get that .1% is just plain stupidity given that there are high amount of expenses involved that is paid for by tax payers and there are always other things happening of more importance to dedicate time to than to a wild-goose chase. Perhaps a half-hearted attempt could be made but you don't go to NK (worse still he did it TWICE) and you don't spend money on it, and you do it when nothing else is happening. The one thing you certainly don't do, is bend over backward for Kim. He not only will not do what you want but he will use you for his gains. Simply speaking, you do not make it a priority and you don't give up anything at all under any situation.

Trump did all of that and it is totally evident that Trump was the fool and Kim the smart one.

There is absolutely nothing you can say in his defense. It is all there is black and white and clear as a bell. Kim made Trump look like an idiot and a lackey.

And what makes you and expert on the probabilities of anything to do with Korea? Don't you suppose SOUTH Korea might have a few insights you lack? They seem to be going along with Trump. So far Trump has cancelled one military exercise to give Kim a chance to save face while dialing back his nuclear ambitions. Kim didn't respond - watch for a large scale, multinational military exercise in Korea next year.

Keep cheering for Kim. rah, rah! :roll: