How Joe Biden handed the presidency to Donald Trump (1 Viewer)

[The Populist Right]

I think that demonstrates that some Democrats voted for Harris because of her race and sex rather than a significant vote against her because of those factors.

I believe this was the thinking of Biden's campaign team. The alternative is that they thought presidential politics is terribly racist and sexist but picked a WoC while saying democracy is at stake.

It's downright blasphemous to say it in Democratic politics, but that doesn't make it not true.

 

[Diving Mullah]

How Joe Biden Handed the Presidency to Donald Trump

At a fateful event last summer, Barack Obama, George Clooney, and others were stunned by Biden’s weakness and confusion. Why did he and his advisers decide to conceal his condition from the public and campaign for reëlection?

www.newyorker.com

Biden deserves to be completely condemned by history for all of this. As well as Jill Biden and the people in his orbit who let this go on and gaslighted everyone by saying "it's just a stutter" or that he was jetlagged during the June 27 debate. And the people in the media that ran interference for him.

How do you explain that, even before the election year—almost two years ahead of 2024—Trump was polling equal to or better than Biden?


Over 80% of Republicans believed the 2020 election was stolen and that Trump actually won. The remaining 20%? They believe Trump was still secretly in charge.


At some point, you have to accept that a significant portion of Americans are so poorly educated—or just plain ignorant—that they'd rather vote for a pedophile-adjacent, serial sexual assault defendant than support a relatively scandal-free administration with a proven track record.


Regardless of Biden’s mental state (and let’s not forget Reagan’s final four years, which he spent in full-blown Alzheimer’s), those around him still managed to make it work. Instead, we’re stuck in the middle of this shitshow.

Diving Mullah

 

[Moderate Right]

Should Joe Biden have dropped out of the race earlier? Absolutely. Did he hand the race to Trump? Perhaps, but the many voters who chose to stay home and sit on their asses also got Trump elected. They are in FAFO mode now.

I will remember Biden for all he achieved during his Presidency. Like the Infrastructure Bill, the CHIPS Act, lowering the price of Insulin and an economy that was the envy of the world. Simpletons will remember him in history for not dropping out of the race.

Let's not forget the wokeness of the democrats got Trump re-elected.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Joe Biden did a fine job as POTUS, and will be remembered fondly imo.

Yeah I thought they should have had a primary so I could support Mark Kelly. Thats just me.

Theres really no explaining a complete turd like trump, I hate to be cliche but I agree with others that a big part of it is rural hick racism.

Also things like "transgenders" rights etc that are easy targets for the right. "Black Lives Matter" "Defund The Police" etc doesnt help.

 

[lynnwinslow]

How do you explain that, even before the election year—almost two years ahead of 2024—Trump was polling equal to or better than Biden?


Over 80% of Republicans believed the 2020 election was stolen and that Trump actually won. The remaining 20%? They believe Trump was still secretly in charge.


At some point, you have to accept that a significant portion of Americans are so poorly educated—or just plain ignorant—that they'd rather vote for a pedophile-adjacent, serial sexual assault defendant than support a relatively scandal-free administration with a proven track record.


Regardless of Biden’s mental state (and let’s not forget Reagan’s final four years, which he spent in full-blown Alzheimer’s), those around him still managed to make it work. Instead, we’re stuck in the middle of this shitshow.

Diving Mullah

I've said in other threads that the Dems have been terrible at counteracting the Republican's messaging. I'm not sure how they fix that. You can't force people to turn off FOX or stop scrolling facebook.

 

[lynnwinslow]

Let's not forget the wokeness of the democrats got Trump re-elected.

This is a perfect example of the messaging issue.
You THINK Democrats stand for extreme "wokeness" because that's what your algorithmic social media and news feeds and entertainment outlets tell you. It's incorrect but that doesn't matter because that is what you believe.

 

[Moderate Right]

This is a perfect example of the messaging issue.
You THINK Democrats stand for extreme "wokeness" because that's what your algorithmic social media and news feeds and entertainment outlets tell you. It's incorrect but that doesn't matter because that is what you believe.

Many democrats have said it. You just refuse to listen.

 

[lynnwinslow]

Many democrats have said it. You just refuse to listen.

Do some people support extreme views? Sure, but their views are not party views.

Being pro-immigration does not mean the Democratic party supports free housing for criminal illegals
Being respectful of trans people does not mean the party supports men disguised as woman beating up women during sporting events
Supporting minorities and women does not mean the party supports hiring unqualified minorities to steal jobs from white men.
Being pro choices does not mean the party supports after birth abortions (whatever the heck that is).

It's a messaging problem not a policy problem. It's hard to reason with people who can't or won't process political issues beyond the bumper sticker level.

 

[Jagged]

Of course I do, but it also doesn't mean that the person IS qualified. In Harris' case, she isn't.

Too bad that's not what you said. What you actually said was she wasn't qualified "because Biden announced that he would pick a 'black woman.'"

 

[ataraxia]

How Joe Biden handed the presidency to Donald Trump​

 

[Mithrae]

I’m sick of this blame everyone BUT Trump voters for Trump game.

Of course Bernie bros that handed us Trump 1.0 would find a reason to blame anyone but themselves for 2.0

Good lord, talk about turning on a dime! "Blame Trump voters... no wait, blame Bernie supporters!" (With a touch of sexism thrown in for good measure.)

 

[BirdinHand]

Good lord, talk about turning on a dime! "Blame Trump voters... no wait, blame Bernie supporters!" (With a touch of sexism thrown in for good measure.)

Bernie Bros voted Trump or largely sat out the election in 1.0 - and not quite as many, but still a good chunk - for 2.0.



I’m not the one that termed them “Bernie Bros” - but yes, many espouse(d) sexist rhetoric and still often do. It’s a largely white male group.

 

[Juin]

If Biden had genuine and serious cognitive impairment then he's pretty much the one person who really can't and shouldn't be blamed for trying to run.

 

[Juin]

Yes, it's shameful but even more than that it was dangerous. They lied, they put a man in the WH who wasn't capable of doing the job. His Presidency was a mess that grew progressively worse and we are all lucky it didn't result in an armed conflict for the U.S.. Jill, his family, his closest aids all deserve to be pilloried for what they did. Sadly, most of the dems are still denying they did anything wrong.

I dont quite get this New Yorker Lamentation. They wanna just blame it all on Biden. If I recall right Biden did not do a whole lot of campaigning in 2020. Joe blamed it on Covid and remained holed up in his basement for the campaign

 

[CaughtInThe]

Jerry Falwell, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News handed the presidency to Donald Trump.

 

[Juin]

Blaming Biden for tens of millions of voters' replacing a known incompetent, corrupt, dishonest, putin-pandering liar back in the Oval Office?

No, every person who voted for trump knew exactly what he/she/they was doing. Every voter who chose trump wanted him there, despite his known disqualifications for the office.

The more I go over that New Y9rker article the more i put it in the category of a hit job. A stab in the back on an old man who served his country for decades. Age caught up with him but he does not deserve to be accused of handing anything to Trump. He marshalled his remaining strength to do his job. We should all say to him, Thank You Mr President

 

[Ikari]

Should Joe Biden have dropped out of the race earlier? Absolutely. Did he hand the race to Trump? Perhaps, but the many voters who chose to stay home and sit on their asses also got Trump elected. They are in FAFO mode now.

I will remember Biden for all he achieved during his Presidency. Like the Infrastructure Bill, the CHIPS Act, lowering the price of Insulin and an economy that was the envy of the world. Simpletons will remember him in history for not dropping out of the race.

He absolutely should have bowed out earlier. They sold us on Biden as a temporary stopgap against Trump, and that's what they should have stuck with. He was just too old, I don't think he was senile or suffering dementia, he's just an old man. Trump is the same way, rambles on all the time, can't stay on topic, Trump is always falling asleep at shit. Just old, that's what happens.

But if Biden did the right thing and refused to run again, the DNC could have held their primaries. I doubt very much that Harris would have made it through the primaries. But they had a chaotic **** up instead, because that's generally the democrats. And now we have a senile, felon, con man who hates America running the country.

 

[Tettsuo]

I dont quite get this New Yorker Lamentation. They wanna just blame it all on Biden.

It appears they simply want to remove all responsibility for this Trump dumpster fire on anyone but the zombified conservative news-consuming voters who chose this idiot. The man literally talked about a golfer's **** size. There's no one else to blame but the voters.

 

[Mithrae]

Bernie Bros voted Trump or largely sat out the election in 1.0 - and not quite as many, but still a good chunk - for 2.0.

Bullshit. Sanders endorsed and campaigned hard on Clinton's behalf, and only ~6-12% of his primary supporters 'crossed the aisle' for a Trump vote compared to a whopping ~24% of Clinton's 2008 primary supporters who crossed the aisle to vote for McCain (source). On top of that, some of Sanders' primary supporters were obviously 'anti-establishment' types looking for a sane option, essentially crossing towards the Democrats for Sanders before going back to the less sane Republican offering to "drain the swamp." One can only speculate why you don't know these facts after all the times they've been pointed out on this forum.

I’m not the one that termed them “Bernie Bros” - but yes, many espouse(d) sexist rhetoric and still often do. It’s a largely white male group.

Isn't it a funny coincidence that sexist attacks on Sanders supporters spread in early 2016 in much the same way as racist 'birther' rumours against Obama spread in early 2008? Just politics I suppose, but continuing to carry on with that vitriol and in-fighting nine years later seems more than a little petty and counterproductive. Why would any progressive vote for a party whose members so obviously hate them?

 

[BirdinHand]

Why would any progressive vote for a party whose members so obviously hate them

Ask me if I care.



“Progressives” should be hanging their heads in shame - their hesitancy to vote for Clinton and then Harris has given us 2 terms of Trump.

I wonder how the Palestinians are feeling towards “progressives” in the US currently .

 

[tharock220]

Who would the democrats have nominated if Biden withdrew earlier? Kamala demonstrated repeatedly that she couldn't keep in the upper echelons of American politics.

 

[Kelby]

He absolutely should have bowed out earlier. They sold us on Biden as a temporary stopgap against Trump, and that's what they should have stuck with. He was just too old, I don't think he was senile or suffering dementia, he's just an old man. Trump is the same way, rambles on all the time, can't stay on topic, Trump is always falling asleep at shit. Just old, that's what happens.

But if Biden did the right thing and refused to run again, the DNC could have held their primaries. I doubt very much that Harris would have made it through the primaries. But they had a chaotic **** up instead, because that's generally the democrats. And now we have a senile, felon, con man who hates America running the country.

I think if Biden suffered some type of cognitive incident (mild stroke) or emerging senile dementia which seems possible in the last few months of his presidency, he would have been the last person in a position to make the judgement to run again. Not sure who it falls upon to tell the President of the United States he can no longer handle the responsibilities of the job.

 

[RetiredAtLast]

Too bad that's not what you said. What you actually said was she wasn't qualified "because Biden announced that he would pick a 'black woman.'"

No, I didn't. Read it again - or not.

 

[braindrain]

Can you blame a man for losing his faculties in his 80s?
After the debate it was clear, but before that it should have been addressed by the Party and Biden should have dropped out earlier. BUT, that is not the only thing that lost the election. It's apparent to me that the country is not prepared to vote for a woman as president, especially a democrat. Think about it, the country was OK with a male convicted criminal over a woman in the White House. I don't need to see this happen yet again anytime soon, because remember, Trump beat Hillary Clinton in 2016 after the Access Hollywood tape came out. That wouldn't have happened just eight years earlier, ask John Edwards.

You do know Hillary Clinton got more votes then the male candidate she ran against right?

These silly attempts to blame the democrats loss on sexism rather then just admit that between the very short campaign time left by Biden not dropping out earlier as well as the fact that she Harris simply wasn’t a likable candidate, demonstrated by here abysmal attempt to run the first time, show an incredible willingness by many on the left to try and bury their heads in the sand.

I guess that’s easier then admitting many of their far left positions simply are not that popular with Americans.

 

[braindrain]

Both can be correct. I already stated that she was a flawed candidate. Joe should not have made the selection based on race or gender. But to ignore that race and gender may have played some roll in some people NOT voting for her is also disingenuous. You are assuming NO voter dismissed her for her race or gender?

It’s interesting how you have gone from she lost because she was a black woman to her race and her gender may have played a roll in some people not voting for her.

That is what most people recognize as moving the goal posts.