Glen Contrarian
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California is a nightmare living on its legacy. One only need to live here a short time to see the nightmare that is unopposed liberalism.
Actually, I'm very familiar with the rest of the world. The data say the opposite of what you claim, including the link that you posted.
In post #21 you said "the nations with the highest levels of poverty are those nations with small governments, low effective taxes, and weak regulation", then you posted a link to the countries with the highest UNHD, and the countries at the top of the list are mainly countries with lower taxes and/or less regulation. There are plenty of other websites that agree with the link that you posted. They've been linked in these forums countless times.Okay, exactly how does the data say the opposite of what I claim? You've got the soapbox - go for it!
Frankly, I think you are just seeking attention.
:doh
Not even.
That is not about property. Which was the irrational belief being spoke to.
If everyone owns everything, no one owns anything.
What is the point of me planting the trees for my orchard if someone can just come up behind me and rip them from the earth?
I'm not sure that government can be considered a valid referee in this regard.
We definitely agree on this.
Yep, your response says you are just seeking attention.I am looking for rational debate. As always, I am not getting it from you.
Yes your postings are.What a joke.
I never said any such thing, so now you have just exposed yourself as being dishonest as well.I'm sorry you don't believe you should keep what you make.
:baby2Goodbye, Excon. Never thought I'd have to do this, but you are officially the first person going on my ignore list.
So you selectively agree with private property rights. Anything else besides land that you dont think can be owned?
The moon, the sun, other people...
You dont see any problems instituting this, in modern US society? The economy? The cost of such a failure?
And two weeks after your political experiment results in the large scale corruption, violence, and other atrocities-failing-what then?
After the rubble stops smoking, im sure thats when the real fun begins, no?
First off, one needs to define poverty because there was a study based on the census that states that most Americans who are considered poor have a house with a garage as well as having enough food to prevent them from starving and an XBox for the kiddies. In my view if one has a place to stay, clothing on their backs and has adequate food then one cannot be poor- hence, true poverty has largely been eliminated in the US.
Elimination of money. Even then it's nit really going towork .What works best to eliminate poverty? Multiple options are available.
What works best to eliminate poverty? Multiple options are available.
Perhaps one day will progress beyond politics.
Ah. So instead of answering the question I posed to you, you choose to ignore it altogether. Gee, wonder why? But don't feel bad - no other conservative has been able to explain it away, either. Just like you, they make an excuse for ignoring it, since the reality of which economies are doing best goes 180-degrees against the grain of conservative economic dogma.
And when it comes to California, if you'll recall, California was pretty much a red state between 1964 and 1992...and in I remember well when I was there for several years in the 1980's that California's economy was nothing to brag about. In other words, there's LOTS of blame to go around on red and blue sides...but no matter what you personally want to believe, California's economy is significantly better than what it was under Ahnold.
I never said everyone owns everything.
They have no right to rip up your trees. You plant them, they are the fruits of your labor. That is why geoists do not include improvements such as gardens, orchards, houses, etc when they talk about LVT.
In post #21 you said "the nations with the highest levels of poverty are those nations with small governments, low effective taxes, and weak regulation", then you posted a link to the countries with the highest UNHD, and the countries at the top of the list are mainly countries with lower taxes and/or less regulation. There are plenty of other websites that agree with the link that you posted. They've been linked in these forums countless times.
GC, how many times are you going to bring up your socialist nirvana is Europe meme? It's been fully addressed, debunked, and debated. Just because you're fixated on your meme and refuse to incorporate the facts presented to you, doesn't mean people need to step onto your platform and take another trip around the same circle.
I got it, in your view, socialism is the end all to beat all. Sorry chief, I'm never going to buy it. You've been presented with reams of facts and you don't want to see them. That's fine, hang with that. Getting on a Merry-go-round with you on the same specific subject over and over is a supreme waste of time.
As to California, I'd really suggest you leave the topic alone. I've lived here for over 50 years, been fortunate to realize the American Dream, and my family roots go back over 140 years, right here in Southern California. We have been a very active and in touch with the community/government family over all those generations, so unless you want to stick to facts, there is little chance of your conjecture surviving the stress test.
By the way, I consideer Ahnold to among the worst Governors this state has ever had in office. Brown is lucky Ahnold came along, because the title of worst was leaning in his direction. Given Browns actions since taking office, Ahnold may have to reliquish the title.
Elimination of money. Even then it's nit really going towork .
I think it also has to include the balance in the bank. If one has to support a family,spending most of his salary on items like house mortgage, then he is not well-off.
Eliminating money would actually cause more harm than good, I think.Elimination of money. Even then it's nit really going towork .
List of countries by Human Development Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaHuh? I've posted a lot of links - show me which one you're talking about.
Many links have been posted many times. Surely you've seen them. Just go to the websites of the UN, OECD, wikipedia, nationmaster, or the site of your choice. Let us know when you find a link that doesn't say the opposite of what you're claiming.That said, WHAT nations have the highest standards of living? First-world democracies. And WHAT first-world democracies have small governments? None. WHAT first-world democracies have low effective taxes? None. WHAT first-world democracies have weak regulation? NONE.
Not. a. single. one. Your claim is bogus.
And how about you list what nations have what are in YOUR opinion "small government". Better yet, list which governments have the conservative 'trinity' of small governments, low effective taxes, and weak regulation.
I voted taxation and free markets. To start, we take the burden of taxation off the producer and put it on the main freeloader in the economy: the landowner.
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