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How is forcing someone to pay for something you are morally against NOT forcing your beliefs on them

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For example on abortion (but it can go for many things): Leftists like to say it's not their employer's business whether or not their employee has an abortion. Okay, I'll go with that. But part of them saying that it's "not their business" is that when their employer gives her health insurance, that it should include paying for abortions. Can you say hypocrisy!?!? If you are making your employer pay for your abortion, you ARE FORCING IT on him. I will play the Devil's Advocate (even though I am not entirely on board) that if you pay for an abortion on your own, and he tries to stop you, I guess in some ways than it's him forcing his beliefs somewhat. This also goes for things like forcing someone to make a gay wedding cake when he doesn't agree, or for taxpayer funding of abortions, and many other things.
 

Troll bait thread. Participants beware.
 

I am morally opposed to the police having guns. We better take them all away...
 
I can... but it doesn't apply here.

Let's say your boss has a strong moral disapproval of eating meat. Is he justified in firing employees who use their wages to purchase and buy meat? Is it hypocritical of you to buy a hamburger with the salary he pays you?

Or, let's say your boss is a Democrat, and believes that contributions to Republicans are immoral. Is your boss justified in demanding that you refrain from donating to Republicans?

Does the boss paying for part of your health insurance give him control over your health care decisions?

The employer isn't "paying for your abortion." You're not "forcing" anything. The employer's contribution to your health insurance is just another form of compensation, and your boss shouldn't have the right to tell you what to do with your wages.
 

After he pays you, IT'S YOUR MONEY. When the money is still his, forcing him to pay for something he is morally against is FORCING something. If I buy health insurance for somebody, that's my money. If the person wants their health insurance to pay for abortions, that person better purchase some PRIVATE INSURANCE that covers it.
 

Does this mean that I will get a 30% tax cut because I disprove of the current military?

How are you being forced to pay for an elective abortion?
 

Morality has nothing to do with it. It is taxes that benefit society... you may be against driving but society still builds roads.
 
Does this mean that I will get a 30% tax cut because I disprove of the current military?

How are you being forced to pay for an elective abortion?
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Once they receive the actual paycheck, legally that's their business. If I have to pay for your healthcare coverage to fund it, or pay for it through taxes, that's mine. May I add that I said previously on these boards that I support privatizing the military.
 
Morality has nothing to do with it. It is taxes that benefit society... you may be against driving but society still builds roads.


Some people say abortion doesn't benefit society. Also some people say that abortion is forcing your beliefs on the unborn baby, saying he/she has no right to live.
 

Your benefits are considered to be part of your salary, hence what you use the insurance for is your business. That was easy.
 
After he pays you, IT'S YOUR MONEY. When the money is still his, forcing him to pay for something he is morally against is FORCING something. If I buy health insurance for somebody, that's my money.
No, it isn't.

It stopped being "the boss's money" when the insurance bill was paid as part of your compensation. The payment for health insurance is just part of your compensation, exactly like your wages or 401(k) contributions.
 

They are also paying for that healthcare coverage or receive it as part of their benefits package and you cannot tell them how they can use what they also pay for because of your religious beliefs because they also have the same religious beliefs. Public healthcare doesn't pay for elective abortions because of the Hyde amendment.

Your religious beliefs stop at the end of your nose where the religious and secular rights of others begin. Keep your myths at home or at church where they belong.

Privatizing the military is called mercenaries. We have seen how that works with the Bush administssion using Blackwater in Iraq.
 
Your benefits are considered to be part of your salary, hence what you use the insurance for is your business. That was easy.

No, benefits are not part of your salary. Your employer still pays for it. If they pick out what benefits to give you, than it's their business. What if I stated that guy down the street is constantly harassing me. He's bad for my health. Hence, my insurance should pay for him to be killed. Same difference.
 

Who said my pro-life views were "religious"? You do realize I'm a former atheist right? Even when I was an atheist I believed homosexuality was unnatural and that abortion was murder. I also used to mock ALL RELIGIONS, especially Christianity when I was an atheist.
 

Nope the benefits package is part of your salay for your services, go ask your HR.
 
Nope the benefits package is part of your salay for your services, go ask your HR.

Even if that's the case, the employer still has the choice what to pay you as long as it's above minimum wage, whether to give you a raise, and whether or not to give you a promotion, or whether they should even hire you in the first place. I'll use this example again.... What if I stated that guy down the street is constantly harassing me. He's bad for my health. Hence, my insurance should pay for him to be killed. Same difference.
 
Once you give someone something, it's none of your business what they do with it. Don't give your employees health insurance, if you don't like what they do with it.
 

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Do I need to explain that Lawerence v. Texas SCOTUS decision to you?


When has abortion ever been prosecuted as murder? How many abortions have you been forced to have how many times have you been forced to marry someone of your gender? The fact that you may disagree doesn't mean that others have to care about your illogical beliefs?

Nope the benefits package is part of your salay for your services, go ask your HR.

I wonder if the people who make these absurd conservative claims have ever earned a paycheck?
 
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I'll use this example again.... What if I stated that guy down the street is constantly harassing me. He's bad for my health. Hence, my insurance should pay for him to be killed. Same difference.
This is absurd.

If he is harassing you then call the cops.

If your employer decides to act that way he won't find good employees and he might be violating federal workplace rights.
 
I am morally opposed to the police having guns. We better take them all away...

Well your party is doing its best to ban the police. Only question is who is going to round them up and send them to furnaces for you.
 
Well your party is doing its best to ban the police. Only question is who is going to round them up and send them to furnaces for you.

Defunding the police doesn't mean that there will be no police. Put down the Fox News crackpipe and read something factual.

News & Commentary | American Civil Liberties Union
 
Yep stopped reading as soon as I saw the phrase "slave patrol". Talk about crackpipes....

Early American cops were charged with slave patrol and retuning runaway slaves.
 
Early American cops were charged with slave patrol and retuning runaway slaves.

The earliest american policing was colonial night watchmen looking for gambling, whoring, and general mischief.
 
The earliest american policing was colonial night watchmen looking for gambling, whoring, and general mischief.

The law enforcement museum site disagrees.



Slave Patrols: An Early Form of American Policing – National Law Enforcement Museum
 
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