How have YOU been personally

[JMB802]

Oh. I didn't realize an absence of covid mandates was the definition of non authoritarian.

If you say so.

Does this mean Colorado is an authoritarian state, by your own definition?

What Colorado Employers Need to Know about Statewide and Denver COVID-19 Vaccine Mandates

Both the State of Colorado and the City of Denver have recently issued mandatory vaccine policies for certain segments of worker populations – and your organization may be soon required to enforce…

www.fisherphillips.com

Colorado has a very progressive Governor. We were absolutely not mandate-free during Covid. Mycroft's post is a lie.

 

[Mycroft]

What could possibly be more relevant? Do you even know the meaning of the word? "Relevant" has nothing to do with what you want to talk about.

Oh. You want me to compare Colorado to an authoritarian state...like NY? Okay.





Thanks, but I'll take Colorado...without any vaccine mandate over New York...with their vaccine mandate...every time.

 

[Mustachio]

Impacted by Covid mandates?



You. Your family. Your business.

Have they been positive?

I know many people that really enjoy working remotely and many kids have really thrived with remote learning.


What has been your experience?

I have an auto immune disease which would put me at the highest risk of Americans under the age of 65. The science says I would have about a 50% chance of suffering lifelong damage - even if minor I’m not on with that - or death were I to contract Covid. The fact that I was able to work remotely was probably the biggest saving grace until the government had to cave into public demand and I was given the choice to either go on unpaid medical leave or risk my life.

What most people don’t know is that if you have an auto immune disease there is zero guarantee that the vaccines will be beneficial for you. So it’s not the mandates but the people refusing to abide by them who have been most dangerous to me, most inconvenient for me, and have forced me to be far more reclusive. I have a small group of friends I trust an outside of that there isn’t much I can do. With knowledge of the students who were attending class remotely those who wished to learn continue to do so and those who are ordinarily unwilling or on interested in their own education simply had an easier time tuning out.

It’s a difficult situation but for me in my experience there’s no doubt that it is the ignorance and anti-scientific viewpoint of Americans motivated by hatred and political bias who have been most dangerous for me. Unfortunately there is no vaccine for stupidity

 

[Mycroft]

What a bunch of BS. Did you forget about Colorado stay-at-home orders? Did you forget about the mask mandates?

What part of "regarding vaccines" do you not understand?

Don't be like that other guy and spout off with irrelevant shit.

Did you forget about the state employee vaccine mandates?

No. Because State employees don't HAVE to get a vaccine if they don't want to.

 

[AGENT J]

Impacted by Covid mandates?

You. Your family. Your business.

wow, impacted? as strongly affected by something. . . .

hmm, me and my family directly have not
inconvenienced at times sure, missing normalcy, absolutely
strongly affected not so much

Have they been positive?

I know many people that really enjoy working remotely and many kids have really thrived with remote learning.


What has been your experience?

so far, yes
me nor my personal family have gotten it
other friends and family really enjoy working from home
one friend just completed construction on his restaurant before covid hit and it was a struggle for him but he got some assistance and then also did delivery/curbside to get by .. without the mandates it probably would have been worse.

everybody is different though, i have no doubt that mandates affected some individuals in a negative way but thats the small picture

 

[JMB802]

What part of "regarding vaccines" do you not understand?

Don't be like that other guy and spout off with irrelevant shit.


No. Because State employees don't HAVE to get a vaccine if they don't want to.

Irrelevanat? You're the one who tried to change the thread topic to vaccine mandates. The thread is about COVID mandates. And there is a state employee vaccine mandate. Try to keep up.

 

[BirdinHand]

Personally?


My family lost about $100K in income in 2020 due to mandates and shut downs. Walmart was open for business…my family business was closed.


When we fought to have the right to SURVIVE financially (because there were no small business loans…) we received literal death threats.


We were sent death threats, had our businesses/business property destroyed or defaced by individuals that thought that wanting to work was “killing grandma”, we had glitter bombs sent to our house.

From who?

My son lost a year of face to face, in person, therapy for his special needs. I spent 10 months finding him a therapist to work with him.

My Mom was unable to understand why she couldn’t have a family member with her bedside…because she had dementia…and had zero idea what “Covid” was…


It’s funny how people that support, embrace and cheer mandates tend to be the ones that have never faced any sort of ACTUAL impacts from them.

 

[BirdinHand]

It’s amazing the correlation between individuals facing effectively ZERO real life impacts other than a minor inconvenience from mandates and those that fully and completely support mandates.

 

[Grand Mal]

Oh. You want me to compare Colorado to an authoritarian state...like NY? Okay.

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Thanks, but I'll take Colorado...without any vaccine mandate over New York...with their vaccine mandate...every time.

No, Mycroft, it does not follow. Bet you can say that in Latin...
You said Covid deaths were irrelevant to mandated prevention measures. Now you want to compare deaths and mandates in another state? Colorado, with a population of less than six million in the area of a large national park, had 51 deaths in the previous 24 hours, the same number of deaths as New York, population nearly 20 million. Canada, population 38 million, had 27 deaths over the same period.
Daily deaths is absolutely relevant. Colorado is an example of failure.

 

[JMB802]

It’s amazing the correlation between individuals facing effectively ZERO real life impacts other than a minor inconvenience from mandates and those that fully and completely support mandates.

I didn't know this was a gotchya thread. Have a great day.

 

[BirdinHand]

I didn't know this was a gotcha thread. Have a great day!

And…this right here…is the point.



Nothing about this thread is “gotcha”


If that’s all you take from it, fine.

The point is that…the experience that many people have had from Covid is NOT the reality that others have had.

Open your eyes and ears and listen and hear.

Or don’t, your choice.

 

[BirdinHand]

I have an auto immune disease which would put me at the highest risk of Americans under the age of 65. The science says I would have about a 50% chance of suffering lifelong damage - even if minor I’m not on with that - or death were I to contract Covid. The fact that I was able to work remotely was probably the biggest saving grace until the government had to cave into public demand and I was given the choice to either go on unpaid medical leave or risk my life.

What most people don’t know is that if you have an auto immune disease there is zero guarantee that the vaccines will be beneficial for you. So it’s not the mandates but the people refusing to abide by them who have been most dangerous to me, most inconvenient for me, and have forced me to be far more reclusive. I have a small group of friends I trust an outside of that there isn’t much I can do. With knowledge of the students who were attending class remotely those who wished to learn continue to do so and those who are ordinarily unwilling or on interested in their own education simply had an easier time tuning out.

It’s a difficult situation but for me in my experience there’s no doubt that it is the ignorance and anti-scientific viewpoint of Americans motivated by hatred and political bias who have been most dangerous for me. Unfortunately there is no vaccine for stupidity

Eh, I have 3 autoimmune diseases.


Get in line. An autoimmune disease is as common as depression or anxiety in 2021.


What are you doing to deal with it?

 

[Indlib]

What a bunch of BS. Did you forget about Colorado stay-at-home orders? Did you forget about the mask mandates? Did you forget about the state employee vaccine mandates?

Mycroft lives in an authoritarian state and didn't even know it.

 

[JMB802]

And…this right here…is the point.



Nothing about this thread is “gotcha”


If that’s all you take from it, fine.

The point is that…the experience that many people have had from Covid is NOT the reality that others have had.

Open your eyes and ears and listen and hear.

Or don’t, your choice.

It sure is a gotchya thread. And I know that because you specifically asked people about their covid experiences and then finger-wagged at people who supported mandates because of their replies to you.

 

[Visbek]

Impacted by Covid mandates?

The only "impact" is that I have to show a vaccination card to go to a restaurant, bar, club or other public accommodation. That's it.

Have they been positive?

Yup. 100%. It's allowed me to do things that weren't particularly safe a year ago.

I know many people that really enjoy working remotely and many kids have really thrived with remote learning.

Yeah, not so much. A lot of people don't have the option to work remotely. Most office employees like remote or hybrid work, some don't. Employers generally dislike it.

The vast majority of kids are not doing well with remote learning. It really doesn't work well, and that's not a technology issue. Kids miss out on all the social interaction; it's too easy for kids to goof off; it's easy for kids to be distracted; it's extremely difficult for teachers to supervise the kids -- some schools even blocked teachers from requiring cameras to be turned on.

What has been your experience?

My experience is that it's time for everyone to just get over it, and get vaccinated. Old, young, high risk, low risk, in school, out of school, it doesn't matter. The vaccines work. They're safe. They're effective. They reduce opportunities for variants to develop. Herd immunity protects the handful of people who can't get vaccinated, or who have compromised immune systems.

Getting as many vaccinated people as possible is the best shot at everyone returning to a normal life.

 

[BirdinHand]

It sure is a gotchya thread. And I know that because you just finger-wagged at people who supported mandates because you read a few sentences on a message board about their Covid experiences.

Maybe it is.


Because so many of the people that are replying have also been the ones cheering on mandates…and are now admitting that nothing about Covid mandates have never really impacted them personally…other than minor inconveniences.


So, yeah, I guess that is “gotcha”.


Gotcha preaching from your keyboards about shit that never impacts you personally.

 

[BirdinHand]

The only "impact" is that I have to show a vaccination card to go to a restaurant, bar, club or other public accommodation. That's it

Wow…hard times for you

 

[JMB802]

Maybe it is.


Because so many of the people that are replying have also been the ones cheering on mandates…and are now admitting that nothing about Covid mandates have never really impacted them personally…other than minor inconveniences.


So, yeah, I guess that is “gotcha”.


Gotcha preaching from your keyboards about shit that never impacts you personally.

Anecdotes are not compelling evidence.

 

[BirdinHand]

Anecdotes are not compelling evidence.

Show me better.


I asked a question on a forum, respondents have thus far stated minor inconveniences.

 

[JMB802]

Show me better.


I asked a question on a forum, respondents have thus far stated minor inconveniences.

I'm not your research lackey. I'm just pointing out that it's foolish to make churlish assumptions about an entire group of people (mandate supporters) based on a few posts on a message board.

 

[Mycroft]

No, Mycroft, it does not follow. Bet you can say that in Latin...

I can if I look it up.

You said Covid deaths were irrelevant to mandated prevention measures.

No. I didn't say that. I said JMR's comment on Colorado hospitals was irrelevant to my comment about authoritarian states.

Since you can't converse without making shit up...

You are dismissed.

 

[Visbek]

So no one here suffered significant financial losses by the shut downs?

Yeah, you said "mandates," not "every single government action relating to COVID."

Anyway. Blaming the "shut downs" for economic issues is absurd. People were self-distancing before any official shutdowns happened; and if we hadn't shut down, then the death rate would have been double or triple, a condition that would have forced shutdowns eventually.

No one had a child that didn’t receive therapies?

This is another example of conflating the impact of the pandemic with the "mandates."

The pandemic slammed hospitals, meaning they had no choice but to postpone elective procedures. If state governments hadn't forced them to do so, then it would have happened anyway.

I'd add that except in the worst cases, people were able to get critical medical care when they needed it. Most people postponed medical procedures not because of government orders, but because they were terrified they would catch COVID at the hospital or doctor's office.

No one had an elderly relative with dementia stuck in a facility where they were unable to see visitors and were completely confused as to why they were abandoned?

Locking down assisted living and nursing facilities was an impact of the disease, not government mandates. Most facilities kept family out long before there were any government mandates. That wasn't unusual -- before the pandemic, most facilities would lock down if a resident got the flu, and certainly wouldn't want you visiting if you were sick. If they hadn't locked down, the death toll would have been far worse.

I'd add that if someone is afflicted badly enough by dementia to forget that there's a pandemic, then they aren't going to be "confused" because you didn't visit. Someone that far gone won't usually remember that you visited in the first place.

 

[Rawley]

So no one here suffered significant financial losses by the shut downs?
No one had a child that didn’t receive therapies?
No one had an elderly relative with dementia stuck in a facility where they were unable to see visitors and were completely confused as to why they were abandoned?

My brother died (cancer) and we could not go see him in the hospital (neither could his kids). Then we couldn't have a funeral or a service. It sucked.

 

[Felis Leo]

So no one here suffered significant financial losses by the shut downs?

No one had a child that didn’t receive therapies?


No one had an elderly relative with dementia stuck in a facility where they were unable to see visitors and were completely confused as to why they were abandoned?

My business has done quite well. Divorces and child custody matters went through the roof, and we handled a large number of Domestic Violence Restraining Order matters. Bankruptcies dropped off a bit. We went from doing nearly all of our Court hearings and Bankruptcy 341(a) Hearings on Zoom and related applications. My wife got to work from home for several months, which was actually quite good because she got to spend a great deal of time bonding with our now two year-old son. She would not have gotten that precious time had she continued commuting to the office for work.

We have had two cases of family members being stuck in the hospitals with long wait-times to get beds due to hospital space being taken up with COVID patients. The other biggest impact has been spending time with our friends. We hardly have large gatherings anymore, and we used to have get-togethers frequently for game nights. That and going out to eat at nice restaurants around town. We still occasionally go out to eat, but we have been saving a lot of money cooking at home. I'm looking forward to spending time with the people we care about hopefully some time in the next year.

 

[BirdinHand]

Yeah, you said "mandates," not "every single government action relating to COVID."

Anyway. Blaming the "shut downs" for economic issues is absurd. People were self-distancing before any official shutdowns happened; and if we hadn't shut down, then the death rate would have been double or triple, a condition that would have forced shutdowns eventually.


This is another example of conflating the impact of the pandemic with the "mandates."

The pandemic slammed hospitals, meaning they had no choice but to postpone elective procedures. If state governments hadn't forced them to do so, then it would have happened anyway.

I'd add that except in the worst cases, people were able to get critical medical care when they needed it. Most people postponed medical procedures not because of government orders, but because they were terrified they would catch COVID at the hospital or doctor's office.




Locking down assisted living and nursing facilities was an impact of the disease, not government mandates. Most facilities kept family out long before there were any government mandates. That wasn't unusual -- before the pandemic, most facilities would lock down if a resident got the flu, and certainly wouldn't want you visiting if you were sick. If they hadn't locked down, the death toll would have been far worse.

I'd add that if someone is afflicted badly enough by dementia to forget that there's a pandemic, then they aren't going to be "confused" because you didn't visit. Someone that far gone won't usually remember that you visited in the first place.

Should I have said “executive orders”?


Maybe that would have been more clear.


And no…people wouldn’t have simply gone to Walmart instead of small businesses if it weren’t for the executive orders that shut down small businesses.

Children would not have missed vital therapies delivered at schools and private offices had it not been for “mandates” and “executive orders”.

And nursing home, assisted living etc facilities wouldn’t have locked up patients line animals had it not been for “executive orders” and “mandates”.

But please, do tell me what my reality has been….