How 'Hamas' were the kidnappers?

[Jango]

I had moved past that original point to include the way Israeli responses to PA responses to Israeli responses to PA responses to Israeli responses........going back 70 years, is over the top.

The strong club the weak. Its been like that forever. :shrug:

 

[ido_]

I had moved past that original point to include the way Israeli responses to PA responses to Israeli responses to PA responses to Israeli responses........going back 70 years, is over the top.

First of all the PA dont response to anything. The last time PA forces engaged IDF forces was in 2000.
Now as for the cycle you are talking about. You forgot to mention that all of those mini wars end with a a cease fire which ends up being violated by the Palestinians, usually a week or two later.

 

[Manc Skipper]

The only confirmed casualty has been an 18 year old adult.

Wasn't one of the Israeli children 18 too?

I looked. 19. Palestinians reach adulthood earlier as well as death, I suppose?

 

[MadLib]

Wasn't one of the Israeli children 18 too?

I looked. 19. Palestinians reach adulthood earlier as well as death, I suppose?

Two of the Israeli victims were 16, so most of those killed were technically children.

Also, I stand corrected on the casualty figure: apparently there were four wounded as well (although I don't know their ages).

 

[Manc Skipper]

104 airstrikes for 1 dead and four injured? In a seven by thirty mile area filled with 2 million targets? Curious.

 

[MMC]

104 airstrikes for 1 dead and four injured? In a seven by thirty mile area filled with 2 million targets? Curious.

Yeah I was curious to Skipper? Has BO said anything about the American Citizen that was one of the 3 kidnapped and killed?

As I heard Netanyahu did say those who did this will be found and brought to Justice. Then somebody mentioned the one kid lived in NY in the Bronx. But also had dual-Citizenship. You didn't happen to hear anything did you?

 

[Montecresto]

First of all the PA dont response to anything. The last time PA forces engaged IDF forces was in 2000.
Now as for the cycle you are talking about. You forgot to mention that all of those mini wars end with a a cease fire which ends up being violated by the Palestinians, usually a week or two later.

Nothing excuses killing innocent women and children. Does it make you feel better to call it a mini war. In the Lebanese war in 06, Israel killed 1,200 innocent civilians, created 750,000 refugees, and destroyed three billion dollars worth of infrastructure, much of it non military. They were rebuked by The UN but with UK/US support, Israel need not worry.

 

[justabubba]

The strong club the weak. Its been like that forever. :shrug:

hold onto that thought when iran develops nuclear weaponry

 

[Jango]

hold onto that thought when iran develops nuclear weaponry

They'll be clubbed before that happens.

 

[Sababa]

Like the Palstinian child kidnapped and murdered last night? Who could have done such a thing? Bombs that fell the day before didn't choose not to kill children either.

Since no one know who killed the Palestinian child that is a stupid statement. As for the bombs on Gaza....there is every attempt not to kill children and was to stop the rockets that continue to be lobbed into Israel from Gaza. So why don't you learn something before posting since you look ignorant.

 

[Sababa]

104 airstrikes for 1 dead and four injured? In a seven by thirty mile area filled with 2 million targets? Curious.

tell oh wise one, what should Israel do? Just keep sleeping in shelters. Tell you what, go live in S'drot for a few weeks then get back with me.

 

[Sababa]

Nothing excuses killing innocent women and children. Does it make you feel better to call it a mini war. In the Lebanese war in 06, Israel killed 1,200 innocent civilians, created 750,000 refugees, and destroyed three billion dollars worth of infrastructure, much of it non military. They were rebuked by The UN but with UK/US support, Israel need not worry.

yes countries that allow terrorist to take up residence are going to have a bad time.

 

[Manc Skipper]

tell oh wise one, what should Israel do? Just keep sleeping in shelters. Tell you what, go live in S'drot for a few weeks then get back with me.

It's a terrible waste of resources and training for not very much result in a targert rich environment. Or it's a lie.

 

[ido_]

It's a terrible waste of resources and training for not very much result in a targert rich environment. Or it's a lie.

What is?

 

[Serenity]

It is near on impossible to be objective over the Israel/Palestine struggle. Everyone looks at every situation from a dichotomous perspective and this perspective feeds the ever spiralling situation.

Paul

It's not impossible to be objective if you see Palestinian and Israeli lives as equal Paul. It's clear that some feel that one life is more worthy than the other, but it is not. I am obviously not talking about combatants here, i am talking about all innocent civilians dead as a result of this conflict. Each innocent life lost is just as valuable as the other.

Now some might be able to convince themselves that a Palestinian or Israeli killed in the on-going conflict is not worth mourning because they are not on their "side" or are considered an "instrument of war", or because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time and should be considered collateral damage. They're part of the problem.

 

[Sababa]

It's a terrible waste of resources and training for not very much result in a targert rich environment. Or it's a lie.

so you would rather see dead Jews?

 

[Montecresto]

yes countries that allow terrorist to take up residence are going to have a bad time.

Yes, go right ahead with the defense of killing innocent women and children. This was condemned by the UN. I suppose you think that these 1,200 civilians were harboring "terrorists" . And for four decades, at least, US administrations have supported militant Islamic groups, I suppose our bad time is yet future.

 

[Montecresto]

It's not impossible to be objective if you see Palestinian and Israeli lives as equal Paul. It's clear that some feel that one life is more worthy than the other, but it is not. I am obviously not talking about combatants here, i am talking about all innocent civilians dead as a result of this conflict. Each innocent life lost is just as valuable as the other.

Now some might be able to convince themselves that a Palestinian or Israeli killed in the on-going conflict is not worth mourning because they are not on their "side" or are considered an "instrument of war", or because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time and should be considered collateral damage. They're part of the problem.

Very good post!!

 

[Manc Skipper]

so you would rather see dead Jews?

I would rather see live children.

Palestinians seem to be dying in disproportionately greater numbers, especially given that they are supposed to be the murderous terrorists.

 

[Sababa]

I would rather see live children.

Palestinians seem to be dying in disproportionately greater numbers, especially given that they are supposed to be the murderous terrorists.

There is a solution. Stop letting terrorist operate.........it really is simple.

Oh and stop calling kids to the place Israel told you they were going to bomb.
Oh and stop killing kids because they are friendly with Jews.
Oh and stop putting rocket launchers at schools.
Oh and stop making heroes of terrorists.


There really is a solution. Sadly the leadership hates the Jews more than they love their people.

 

[mendelssohn]

I would rather see live children.

Palestinians seem to be dying in disproportionately greater numbers, especially given that they are supposed to be the murderous terrorists.

The comparison between the number of deaths is not only evasive of the point, but it is a moral fallacy. When Hamas shoots rockets, they shoot deliberately at civilians, while hiding behind their own civilian population, thus breaching twice the Geneva Convention. Just looking at the numbers without the factual context behind them is a immoral analogy that doesn't hold up to reality.

 

[justabubba]

The comparison between the number of deaths is not only evasive of the point, but it is a moral fallacy. When Hamas shoots rockets, they shoot deliberately at civilians, while hiding behind their own civilian population, thus breaching twice the Geneva Convention. Just looking at the numbers without the factual context behind them is a immoral analogy that doesn't hold up to reality.

do you actually believe those who are launching the rockets would be disappointed if they struck a military target?
then how is civilian collateral damage by their side any different than that inflicted by the IDF

 

[mendelssohn]

do you actually believe those who are launching the rockets would be disappointed if they struck a military target?
then how is civilian collateral damage by their side any different than that inflicted by the IDF

Because Israel is trying to target terrorists and their bases, while Hamas is doing it the other way round. How can you not see the difference in intent and motive? Perhaps you should first read the Geneva Convention and then come back to this discussion.

 

[justabubba]

Because Israel is trying to target terrorists and their bases, while Hamas is doing it the other way round. How can you not see the difference in intent and motive? Perhaps you should first read the Geneva Convention and then come back to this discussion.

i would submit that if those launching the rockets had the quality arsenal which would allow them to aim better, the civilian collateral damage would not be as bad
both sides inflict collateral damage. no different either way

 

[ido_]

do you actually believe those who are launching the rockets would be disappointed if they struck a military target?
then how is civilian collateral damage by their side any different than that inflicted by the IDF

Do you actually believe that those who shoot rockets at Sderot, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Beer Sheva and even Tel Aviv are aiming for military bases?