How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199:2834]

[Federalist]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

My, my… you do love splitting hairs.

I see you're new here.

 

[haymarket]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

Okay, so what behavior is being protected by the second amendment?

The right to keep and bear arms.

 

[haymarket]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

My, my… you do love splitting hairs.

Do you support limits on the 2nd amendment; such as that have been passed in MD and other states?

i.e. Banning semi-auto assault rifles, limit on magazine capacity, registration, finger printing...

I have long said that reasonable regulations in the public safety interest may be laws that are constitutional. Each one of course would have to be judged upon its merits and the details. I wrote legislation for the past three years in the Michigan legislature and believe me when I say that the devil is always in the details. If somebody asked me if a law honoring Mothers Day was a good idea I would have to read it first.

 

[haymarket]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

We will go with your claim, the US government cannot govern the militia unless they are currently employed. That sounds like shall not be infringed applied to everything (including all arms).

So - in your opinion - what key word in your statement would we have to define?

 

[Federalist]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

The right to keep and bear arms.

A right is not a behavior.

You said a right is a behavior recognized and protected by government. So what behavior is being protected by the right to keep and bear arms?

 

[haymarket]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

A right is not a behavior.

You said a right is a behavior recognized and protected by government. So what behavior is being protected by the right to keep and bear arms?

The right to keep and bear arms.

 

[Federalist]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

The right to keep and bear arms.

You're saying the right to keep and bear arms protects the right to keep and bear arms.

That's moronic.

But now I understand why you are having such trouble understanding the second amendment.

 

[haymarket]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

You're saying the right to keep and bear arms protects the right to keep and bear arms.

That's moronic.

But now I understand why you are having such trouble understanding the second amendment.

Oh - you get angry and frustrated when people keep repeating the same thing back to you over and over? :shock: And in this case it only took a couple of times in a short hour at that. Imagine that!!!! :lamo

 

[Federalist]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

Oh - you get angry and frustrated when people keep repeating the same thing back to you over and over? And in this case it only took a couple of times in a short hour at that. Imagine that!!!!

I have no idea why you're assuming I'm angry or frustrated. I simply pointed out that your statement was moronic.

First you say that a right protects a behavior. Then you say that the behavior being protected is a right. That's moronic and completely irrational.

But then again, given the source, I can expect no better.

 

[haymarket]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

I have no idea why you're assuming I'm angry or frustrated. I simply pointed out that your statement was moronic.

First you say that a right protects a behavior. Then you say that the behavior being protected is a right. That's moronic and completely irrational.

But then again, given the source, I can expect no better.

You can expect to get back what you attempt to dish out. If you do not like that, look in the mirror to see who is to blame. :roll:

 

[Federalist]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

You can expect to get back what you attempt to dish out. If you do not like that, look in the mirror to see who is to blame.

I don't dish out moronic, illogical statements.

 

[haymarket]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

I don't dish out moronic, illogical statements.

That is a matter of opinion.

 

[Federalist]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

That is a matter of opinion.

And yet you are impotent to provide an example, Mr. the right to keep and bear arms protects the behavior of the right to keep and bear arms.

I actually know your smarter than that, so I take your refusal to actually tell us which behavior the right to keep and bear arms protects to be your admission that your have been check-mated.

Merry Christmas to me.

 

[scatt]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

So - in your opinion - what key word in your statement would we have to define?

Which one is hard for you to understand?

 

[haymarket]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

And yet you are impotent to provide an example, Mr. the right to keep and bear arms protects the behavior of the right to keep and bear arms.

I actually know your smarter than that, so I take your refusal to actually tell us which behavior the right to keep and bear arms protects to be your admission that your have been check-mated.

Merry Christmas to me.

Already told you.

 

[haymarket]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

Which one is hard for you to understand?

None of them. What about you? Can you answer my question?

So - in your opinion - what key word in your statement would we have to define?

 

[Federalist]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

Already told you.

Yes, you said that the a right protects a behavior.

I asked you what behavior does the right to keep and bear arms protect?

You answered that the protected behavior is the right to keep and bear arms.

That's because you cannot admit that the protected behavior is keeping and bearing arms.

 

[haymarket]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

Yes, you said that the a right protects a behavior.

I asked you what behavior does the right to keep and bear arms protect?

You answered that the protected behavior is the right to keep and bear arms.

That's because you cannot admit that the protected behavior is keeping and bearing arms.

One would have thought that was evident by the language used. You see Fed - you and I agree that there is a right to keep and bear arms. There is no problem there. What we disagree upon is the meaning of the word INFRINGED and if the government may adopt any regulations in connection with the keeping and bearing arms.

That - in a nutshell - is what all these gun threads come down to.

But you wallow in the belief that somehow someway if you can just take me by the hand and lead me down the path that you cheerfully have gone for years now, that I will see the light as one domino after the other falls due to your commanding logic and overwhelming ability to string together just the right series of questions that would make OJ Simpson break down in tears screaming I DID IT... I DID IT ... I DID IT.

 

[scatt]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

None of them. What about you? Can you answer my question?

So - in your opinion - what key word in your statement would we have to define?

Which one of them is so hard for you to understand that you need to ask me about it?

 

[haymarket]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

Which one of them is so hard for you to understand that you need to ask me about it?

None of them. What about you? Can you answer my question?

So - in your opinion - what key word in your statement would we have to define?

 

[scatt]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

None of them. What about you? Can you answer my question?

So - in your opinion - what key word in your statement would we have to define?

You want to define something -- so what is it you want to define, yourself, that you brought up, yourself, on purpose, knowingly, yourself?

 

[haymarket]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

You want to define something -- so what is it you want to define, yourself, that you brought up, yourself, on purpose, knowingly, yourself?

So - in your opinion - what key word in your statement would we have to define?

 

[Federalist]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

One would have thought that was evident by the language used. You see Fed - you and I agree that there is a right to keep and bear arms. There is no problem there. What we disagree upon is the meaning of the word INFRINGED and if the government may adopt any regulations in connection with the keeping and bearing arms.

Of course it can't. Keeping and bearing arms is a protected behavior.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

I refuted your claim of natural rights and you respond with this? Can you ever stay on the subject and deal with what was actually said to your argument instead of going off on the usual rant?

As you well know, I support the Heller decision and have posted that many times. Here it is again for you:


I have repeatedly stated that if the government creates an environment where the people cannot exercise the right to bear arms, then the right has been INFRINGED. To define this in everyday terms of action all you have to do is apply one test. The test is simple and easy and not at all complicated:

If I as an American citizen want to obtain a firearm to exercise my second Amendment rights, am I able to do so? If the answer is YES, then the right is present and is able to be exercised. If the answer is NO, then the right has been infringed and that is prohibited by the Constitution. Of course, the person must be able to bear the gun, or have it available for its use. This is why the decision against DC in the Heller case shows that the government created such an illegal environment.

you never have refuted anything because you stick to fringe definitions no one else accepts as valid.

Your hiding behind a nebulous definition of infringed is laughable

you won't say at what point (in practical terms) "infringe" has been reached. you are contradicting your position. You say you support Heller but you say the Second Amendment does not protect any particular type of weapon. Heller clearly protects firearms that are both common and not unusually dangerous.

 

[Master PO]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

The Preamble to the Bill of Rights was never ratified by the states and is not part of the US Constitution.

i see you have nothing becuase you only repeat the same thing over and over.