How do you explain this?

[afr0byte]

Because a trial isn't held on the internet genius.

That's true, but it's held in the location where the alleged infraction of the law occurred. The servers are in the US, hence the trial in the US.

 

[Rainman05]

Yes How do I know if your really a male ... Its not a dark thought its a realistic thought I live in reality where people especially in that time period did things like that . Life is not rainbows and unicorns I said it was possible as I have already said in the post you posted on . Actually Exactly . If my mind is " dark" then your is utter madness .

Again, your mind is a sick mind. You desire evil to be done upon innocent people. I know, I know, not everybody has a conscience and a proper moral code. There are all kinds of people. I am not going to hold you accountable for your twisted mind any longer.

On a totally unrelated note, this is the difference between you and me.

My parents taught me not to abuse animals and retarded people.I don't know if that particular case applies here, but it is a phrase to build upon. Don't abuse stupid people. Don't abuse ignorant people, don't talk ill of the dead... etc. I try as much as possible to live by this. Sometimes I fail and I abuse stupid people... and ignorant people. I'm only human.

 

[afr0byte]

Again, your mind is a sick mind. You desire evil to be done upon innocent people. I know, I know, not everybody has a conscience and a proper moral code. There are all kinds of people. I am not going to hold you accountable for your twisted mind any longer.

She never said she wanted Mary to have been raped.

 

[Rainman05]

That's true, but it's held in the location where the alleged infraction of the law occurred. The servers are in the US, hence the trial in the US.

The forum is in the USA, hence any material on this site is USA and I suspect, though I have no confirmation, that the people you are whining about are also USA. The answer is obvious to everyone but you.


Sorry, the Pope has no legal status here any more than an Imam has any legal status over Danish newspapers.

It doesn't matter where the forum is located. A trial isn't held on the internet. Since the internet is worldwide (that's what the www )... the potential civic court case would be held in the most appropiate location from the world.

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this is getting so funny. It's nice to see peons trying so desperately to score a win in the most absurd of discussions. keep trying. I'm sure you'll get there.

 

[afr0byte]

It doesn't matter where the forum is located. A trial isn't held on the internet. Since the internet is worldwide (that's what the www )... the potential civic court case would be held in the most appropiate location from the world.

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this is getting so funny. It's nice to see peons trying so desperately to score a win in the most absurd of discussions. keep trying. I'm sure you'll get there.

You apparently have no idea about how jurisdiction works. The only reason I might be charged in a Vatican court would be if I logged on to a Vatican message board and posted something libelous.

 

[MoSurveyor]

It doesn't matter where the forum is located. A trial isn't held on the internet. Since the internet is worldwide (that's what the www )... the potential civic court case would be held in the most appropiate location from the world.

Your ignorance continues to amuse. LOL!

this is getting so funny. It's nice to see peons trying so desperately to score a win in the most absurd of discussions. keep trying. I'm sure you'll get there.

You're the one providing the entertainment here. It's even funnier that you don't even know it. :lamo

 

[Rainman05]

Your ignorance continues to amuse. LOL!


You're the one providing the entertainment here. It's even funnier that you don't even know it. :lamo

I am also getting entertained. I just express it in words instead of posting the same stupid smiley face all the time like I had a crack habbit. Shows desperation and weakness buddy... It is funny to see people throw words trying to see what sticks. It's almost like that time I went to the zoo and saw the chimps. They were all communicating in their language and I knew that for them, it made perfect sense... but for people, you know, like me, with a brain and developed linguistic skills, it sounded like jibberish. But it was still entertaining.

 

[afr0byte]

I am also getting entertained. I just express it in words instead of posting the same stupid smiley face all the time like I had a crack habbit. Shows desperation and weakness buddy... It is funny to see people throw words trying to see what sticks. It's almost like that time I went to the zoo and saw the chimps. They were all communicating in their language and I knew that for them, it made perfect sense... but for people, you know, like me, with a brain and developed linguistic skills, it sounded like jibberish. But it was still entertaining.

How old are you, if I may ask?

 

[Rainman05]

How old are you, if I may ask?

You may not.

 

[Knowledge=power]

No, it doesn't work that way. I thought I already educated you on the the fact that you live in a false duality.

This is the algorithm you present as being the case, and its the wrong algorthm.

If Jesus is Messiah = True
Then Christianity = True
Judaism = False

Else Christianity = false
Judaism = true.

But this is wrong.

The real algorithm is:

If Jesus is Messiah = True
Then Christianity = True.

For (t=0, t++, t<Jewish_Messiah_arrival)
Judaism = No_Messiah;

Stick to blind faith rainman, math is not your strong suit.

 

[MoSurveyor]

I am also getting entertained. I just express it in words instead of posting the same stupid smiley face all the time like I had a crack habbit. Shows desperation and weakness buddy... It is funny to see people throw words trying to see what sticks. It's almost like that time I went to the zoo and saw the chimps. They were all communicating in their language and I knew that for them, it made perfect sense... but for people, you know, like me, with a brain and developed linguistic skills, it sounded like jibberish. But it was still entertaining.

It's a shame your gibberish has no relation to reality - but it's funny, right down to the misspelled words. LOL!

 

[Rainman05]

It's a shame your gibberish has no relation to reality.

What? No :lamo

Disappointed.

 

[Knowledge=power]

How old are you, if I may ask?

You may not.

That should give you a pretty good idea afro :?

 

[MoSurveyor]

What? No :lamo

Disappointed.

You need to go back and look at the edit - I added a couple of things including "LOL!"

 

[Rainman05]

Stick to blind faith rainman, math is not your strong suit.

That's not math per se. It's basically pseudo-code.

The only person who is blind between us is neither. You however are just fixated. You can't make a sentence without being wrong and you have all sort weird and ridiculous ideas. And when you get challenged, and backpaddle like a little *****, when enlightenment is offered to you in the simplest way possible, you reject it. Because you'd rather stick to your flawed ideas and have brain farts every now and then than having an actual library of knowledge.

 

[The Baron]

I was thinking about this the other day:

So Yaweh is the God of the Jewish people. He is also the God of the Christian people. Yaweh explicitly told the Jewish people in the old testament NOT to worship any other Gods and to beware of false prophets. The Jews worshipped Yaweh and followed his orders - and still do. They killed Jesus for being a heretic, as they were instructed to do. Why didn't God foretell the coming of Jesus in the old testament? They didn't even get a heads ups warning signal like a message written in a cloud or some other supernatural phenomenon. What a helluva trap to lay for his people... eh? They killed Jesus for claiming to be the son of their God. They had no proof he was God's son, how could they have known?...

Now, according to Christians, if you don't accept Jesus as your lord and savior, it's into the lake of fire you go. So the Jews are now screwed for all eternity for staying true to their God's orders? What kind of crap is that? Talk about selling out your people.

You have no idea what you are talking about...none whatsoever.

 

[Zyphlin]

Moderator's Warning:

Lets stop the discussion regarding whether or not people are "classy" for making arguments and I suggest people also cease feeding any other trolls that come into the thread. Lets get on topic folks

 

[Knowledge=power]

That's not math per se. It's basically pseudo-code.

Obviously....

The only person who is blind between us is neither. You however are just fixated. You can't make a sentence without being wrong and you have all sort weird and ridiculous ideas. And when you get challenged, and backpaddle like a little *****, when enlightenment is offered to you in the simplest way possible, you reject it. Because you'd rather stick to your flawed ideas and have brain farts every now and then than having an actual library of knowledge.

It's simple logic rainman. Also, it's time to talk like a grown up.

 

[Knowledge=power]

You have no idea what you are talking about...none whatsoever.

Enlighten me.

 

[mbig]

Keep on backpeddling boy. Now let me clear a few things up.

Christianity didn't use Judaism at all. The only thing Chrisitanity used is Christs' teachings. The fact that Christianity started in Judea in an area that was heavily judaic was, if anything, a huge disadvantage. People saw Christianity at start, especially the leaders of other pagan religions, as another, more dangerous to the status quo, strain of judaism. Which ofc, it's incorrect about the judaism 2.0 part. Not to mention the jews whom, enticed by the rabbi order, persecuted Christians and lobbied for their persecution. . It is a testament to the grace and wonder of Christianity that despite its many handicaps when starting out (founder murdered, apostles chased and murdered, practicing Christianity banned, etc) managed to rise as the dominant religion in only a few centuries. Judaism wasn't forbidden in the Roman Empire. Christianity was.

So you see. It was never a parasite. It was just something better and more appealing to people. And also something that was never seen before in the world. A true religion of peace and mercy and humanism in a time when all the religions that were known were brutal. Judaism too is a very brutal religion as seen in the OT. All those quotes and horrible terrors and destruction unleashed by God and so on adn so forth... all of them in the Old testament. The New testament is about curing the ill, raising the dead (to life, not to zombies) and forgiveness.

Jesus is the supposed son of Yaweh. He claimed to be the son of the God of the Jews. He used Jewish religion. Just as Joseph Smith used both Christianity and Judaism. Using a religion for personal gain while that religion suffers is quite parasitic, boy.

I mostly agree with knowledge=Power here. Except there are wrong premises in both posts I think.
That premise being that Jesus even wanted to start another religion.
Rainman's post is the old 'The Jewish team hit the Christian Team's founder'.
But he didn't found anything, he lived the Life of a Jew.
He wore Jewish garb, Kept Jewish Holidays/customs. etc.
Might best be described today as an Orthodox Jew.
'Christianity' was 'founded' later from what is basically a cult (no offense intended, just don't know how else to put it) surrounding his person.
By 350 AD or so, the many shapers/founderS of Christianity had somehow and increasingly separated Christianity into a very different religion with different books, different holidays than Jesus himself observed. (!)
So I don't know think Jesus (if he existed, which I think Is probable) "used" anything, but centuries of others went completely afield from the religion Jesus Lived.

"...So, let’s consider these three questions:
Was Jesus a Jew ethnically? Was Jesus an observant Jew religiously?
And then finally, if Jesus was a Jew, why don’t Christians follow Judaism?

Was Jesus a Jew ethnically, or was his mother a Jew? Jesus clearly identified with the Jews of His day, His physical people and tribe, and their Religion (although correcting its errors).. God purposely sent Him to Judah: “He came to His own [Judah], and His own [Judah] did not receive Him. But as many [Jews] as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name... (John 1:11-12 NKJV), and He clearly said, "You [Gentiles] worship what you do not know; we [Jews] know what we [Jews] worship, for salvation is of the Jews” (John 4:22).

The very first verse of the New Testament clearly proclaims the Jewish ethnicity of Jesus. “The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham” (Matthew 1:1). It is evident from passages like Hebrews 7:14, “For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah,” that Jesus descended from the tribe of Judah, from which we get the name “Jew.” And what about Mary, the mother of Jesus? In the genealogy in Luke chapter 3, we see clearly that Mary was a direct descendant of King David which gave Jesus the legal right to ascend the Jewish throne as well as establishing without any doubt that Jesus was a Jew ethnically.

Was Jesus an observant Jew religiously? Both of Jesus' parents had “done everything required by the Law of the Lord” (Luke 2:39). His aunt and uncle, Zechariah and Elizabeth, were also Torah-observant Jews (Luke 1:6), so we can see that probably the whole family took their Jewish faith very seriously.

In the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5–7), Jesus continually affirmed the authority of the Torah and the Prophets (Matthew 5:17) even in the Kingdom of Heaven (Matthew 5:19-20). He regularly attended synagogue (Luke 4:16), and His teaching was respected by the other Jews of His day (Luke 4:15). He taught in the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem (Luke 21:37), and if He were not a Jew, His going into that part of the Temple would simply not have been allowed (Acts 21:28-30).

Jesus also displayed the outward signs of being an observant Jew. He wore tzitzit (tassles) on His clothing (Luke 8:43; Matthew 14:36) to serve as a reminder of the commandments (Numbers 15:37-39).
He observed Passover (John 2:13) and went up to Jerusalem (Deuteronomy 16:16) on this very important Jewish pilgrimage feast day. He observed Succoth, or the feast of tabernacles (John 7:2, 10) and went up to Jerusalem (John 7:14) as required in the Torah. He also observed Hanukah, the festival of lights (John 10:22) and probably Rosh Hashanah, the feast of trumpets (John 5:1), going up to Jerusalem on both those occasions as well, even though it isn't commanded in the Torah.
Clearly, Jesus identified Himself as a Jew (John 4:22) and as King of the Jews (Mark 15:2). From His birth to His last Passover Seder (Luke 22:14-15), Jesus lived as an observant Jew."..."

"...Jesus was raised a Jew
From his birth, as is indicated by his very Jewish genealogy, Jesus was raised a Jew. He was circumcised the eighth day (Luke 2.21), bore a common Jewish name, Yeshua, 'he [God] saves' (Matthew 1.21). In fact, Yeshua was the fifth most common Jewish name, 4 out of the 28 Jewish High-Priests in Jesus' time were called Yeshua. Joseph was the second most common male name and Mary the most common amongst women, this in itself is sufficient evidence to throw doubt on the recently found tomb of 'Jesus, Mary and Joseph', as it is like finding the gravestone of Mr and Mrs John Smith! In passing, it is worth noting that we do not know for sure if Jesus was born in a stable surrounded by animals, only that he was laid in a feed trough. In fact, Justin Martyr(21) in the middle of the 2nd century said that it was in a cave that Jesus was born owing to their being "no room at the inn" (Luke 2.7). That this story was widely believed (e.g., by Origen and the Apocryphal gospels) is evident from the fact the Constantine had a church built on the site of the cave in the 4th century.

After his birth, Jesus was presented to the Lord in the Jerusalem temple (Luke 2.22; cf. Deuteronomy 18.4; Exodus 13.2,12,15) according to Mary's period of uncleanness (Leviticus 12.2-8). A sacrifice was offered for him - a pair of doves and 2 young pigeons - which indicated that his family were not wealthy (Leviticus 12.2,6,8; Luke 2.22-24). Thus Jesus was raised according to the law (Luke 2.39)....

So.... Why did I have to do it again if there was no answer the first time?
http://www.debatepolitics.com/middl...ack-miss-israel-w-90-a-11.html#post1061586338

 

[Grand Mal]

You realize how this sounds completely ridiculous, right? This is just one more rat's nest for the Jews / Christians to sift through and lie to themselves to make sense of it all. No matter what happens, there will always be an excuse or an explanation.

Why would jews and christians need to sort through anything to make sense? Religions don't need to agree- they don't even need to find common ground. Damn. I kind of collect creation myths and cherry-pick doctrine and try dogma on for size and I don't disparage the stuff I leave aside- just means there's more attractive options elsewhere.
I like the Inuit creation thing where a woman sits beside a hole in the ice with a fishing rod and pulls up all the animals in the world and gives them names and sends them on their way. I like the Christian/Jewish one too, for different reasons. Looks like eating from the tree of knowledge led to agriculture which was the root of all the problems humanity has faced since. And. as for afterlife. I like the Hindu tradition where we're each a spark from a universal fire and we'll return to the fire after we've been incarnated enough and learned what we need to know.
Pick what you like, or not. It's not as important as you think.

 

[Menard_K]

Why would jews and christians need to sort through anything to make sense? Religions don't need to agree- they don't even need to find common ground. Damn. I kind of collect creation myths and cherry-pick doctrine and try dogma on for size and I don't disparage the stuff I leave aside- just means there's more attractive options elsewhere.
I like the Inuit creation thing where a woman sits beside a hole in the ice with a fishing rod and pulls up all the animals in the world and gives them names and sends them on their way. I like the Christian/Jewish one too, for different reasons. Looks like eating from the tree of knowledge led to agriculture which was the root of all the problems humanity has faced since. And. as for afterlife. I like the Hindu tradition where we're each a spark from a universal fire and we'll return to the fire after we've been incarnated enough and learned what we need to know.
Pick what you like, or not. It's not as important as you think.

Does anybody remember " whatever you think, its more than that " ?

Deep Space ......

 

[DDD]

No I am the non-official Dardanian representative to DP. This is the best you have until another Dardanian joins in. Hence again, take example of what we are here like.

Also, in Dardania, chronologically there was first Catholicism introduced by Rome, then our contribution to the great schism and to Orthodox Christianity (Byzantine Empire), and then introduced to Islam from the Ottoman Empire. This is historical chronology. Sciencewise, not religious wise, though even there you may be mistaken that the schism between Catholics and Orthodox occurred after Islam.

I'm not taking anything personally. It's the internet. We criticize everything we want here, but religion (Orthodox) is not a problem and has never been a problem. The only people who have a bother with our religion here are the people who have their heads up their asses and haven't looked at the real problems facing the country. Which have nothing to do with religion.

Distraction. It is not you, it is the "internet," and yet those who oppose your thoughts you insult. This time the insult is that they have "heads up their asses?"

Because there isn't just one God. I mean, there is one for some religions, for others there is another and another or others... And no, I'm not going to hide behind that because I am not hiding.

It is the same God Rainman. Abraham's, Jesus', and Muhammed's, same God all over, just differently called. If there were all too many God's per religion then who would be the God of them?

As for comprehending God... I don't consider God to be human. Being all knowing and all powerful goes against the human condition, so you can't really consider God to be human, a very mystical extraordinary human, but still human. A pan-human sort of human. And even if he were like that... for crying out loud, I can't understand women, half the population. And you want me to understand God? I can't even understand or grasp much of what other people, even men, have intentions or expectations or whatever... and you want me to understand something like that? No. It's easier if you don't consider himself as human and stop bothering with it.

Interesting interpretation. This is good communication from your side since for a change since you state what you think compared to what you stated how it is dogmatically. Thanks for the insight.

fair enough, but I wasn't saying that Allah will kill if you condemn Islam, radical muslims will. And yes, they have been radicalized by entities who have political agendas. A book, regardless of how compelling it is, cannot force you do anything.

Well if radical Muslims want to get me they can mind as well go and fvck themselves! They have all the way to freaking Afghanistan to go with their fvcked up beliefs. I would help them reach heaven faster if they choose this path. They are a great minority here luckily when compared to shallow Muslims. An unwanted one at it too.

Are you at liberty to condemn radical Orthodox Christians also in a similar way?

My personal belief is just that, my own. Yes, I am Orthodox, but everything else is pretty much unimportant here in this topic. This entire discussion wasn't done from me being a Christian. Even if I were an atheist I still would have argued the same thing and on the same lines. It's not a matter of what my religion says, it is a matter that there are nuances in this dialogue and ignoring them doesn't help to come to a conclusion. Apparently with some, exposing them accomplishes zilch just as well.

I disagree that if you were an atheist that you would challenge these in the same grounds. For a change you would resort to reason rather than dogma. There would be more openness to the exchange and flow of ideas, thought, and reason, before one believes.

 

[DDD]

Oscar, dear friend

I have trouble with the free will thing. You see there is a paradox here. God is supposedly omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent.

If God knows all including future events, free will cannnot exist - it is simply an illusion of free will - since he already knew you were going to do whatever it is you did / did not do. I have gone on at length about this in another thread so I will spare the effort here. Honestly though, the concept is quite simple. Free will would render God powerless over the future, which would make him quite less powerfu / God-like.

That is true. I reached the same conclusion long ago. I asked the "expert" theologists about it and you can guess what they said: God is all knowing while we are not. As such we cannot comprehend as to how the free will and his all knowing work hand in hand. It does works but us mere humans may fall with the devil if we were to see it as conflicting.

Humanity-demeaning attitude.

 

[DDD]

Again, your mind is a sick mind. You desire evil to be done upon innocent people. I know, I know, not everybody has a conscience and a proper moral code. There are all kinds of people. I am not going to hold you accountable for your twisted mind any longer.

On a totally unrelated note, this is the difference between you and me.

My parents taught me not to abuse animals and retarded people.I don't know if that particular case applies here, but it is a phrase to build upon. Don't abuse stupid people. Don't abuse ignorant people, don't talk ill of the dead... etc. I try as much as possible to live by this. Sometimes I fail and I abuse stupid people... and ignorant people. I'm only human.

A lot of material here. You assume some people here are less intelligent than you and you call them by various demeaning names, this last one "sick mind." To qualify for being less intelligent one has to merely not be as dogmatic as you towards religion. Even exploring alternative hypothesis is enough to sarcastically name them "genius, peons."

this is getting so funny. It's nice to see peons trying so desperately to score a win in the most absurd of discussions. keep trying. I'm sure you'll get there.

On such grounds I do not think you have followed your parents teachings. If you assume them to be less intelligent than you, why are you abusing them with names then?