How did the clinton impeachment start?

[bongsaway]

What was the reason the republicans starting looking into bill clinton to impeach him?

 

[chuckiechan]

What was the reason the republicans starting looking into bill clinton to impeach him?

He lied to a Grand Jury.

 

[Cardinal]

He lied to a Grand Jury.

It was a simpler time. If trump lied to a grand jury republicans would laugh that out of any impeachment hearing.

Although, just to be safe, that’s pretty specifically why republicans are dead set against him testifying under oath.

 

[Dittohead not!]

What was the reason the republicans starting looking into bill clinton to impeach him?

Bill Clinton was guilty of perjury. There is no question that he committed that crime, as we all saw and heard him on national TV.

When that happened, I thought we couldn't do any worse. I was wrong, of course,
We subsequently elected a president who foolishly decided to invade a secular dictatorship in the name of fighting Islamic terrorism.
We'd have been better off had he committed perjury, or some other such crime.
Then we elected one who is demonstrably a fraud and conman and who has done irreparable damage to our overseas alliances, created a humanitarian crisis on the border, and whose personal life has made him a world wide laughingstock. So far, he hasn't started any foreign wars though. Which one is worse? So far, absent any wars, I'd say probably the one who decided on the invasion.


But, perjury shouldn't be treated lightly either.

 

[Cardinal]

Bill Clinton was guilty of perjury. There is no question that he committed that crime, as we all saw and heard him on national TV.

When that happened, I thought we couldn't do any worse. I was wrong, of course,
We subsequently elected a president who foolishly decided to invade a secular dictatorship in the name of fighting Islamic terrorism.
We'd have been better off had he committed perjury, or some other such crime.
Then we elected one who is demonstrably a fraud and conman and who has done irreparable damage to our overseas alliances, created a humanitarian crisis on the border, and whose personal life has made him a world wide laughingstock. So far, he hasn't started any foreign wars though. Which one is worse? So far, absent any wars, I'd say probably the one who decided on the invasion.


But, perjury shouldn't be treated lightly either.

It certainly shouldn’t be treated lightly. Clinton obstructed justice, and if he had been removed from office he’d have nobody but himself to blame. Ultimately, however, there were two reasons he wasn’t convicted: 1)he apologized and begged forgiveness, and 2)the underlying offense he lied about was one that the American public at large doesn’t believe is worthy of removal from office.

Those factors are significant, because trump will never apologize, and his offenses as well as underlying offenses are egregious.

 

[lemmiwinx]

In retrospect I'd have to say a censure would've sufficed for Clinton. Same goes for Trump today. I think House members with the power to impeach get full of themselves sometimes and want to show it off.

 

[jonny5]

It certainly shouldn’t be treated lightly. Clinton obstructed justice, and if he had been removed from office he’d have nobody but himself to blame. Ultimately, however, there were two reasons he wasn’t convicted: 1)he apologized and begged forgiveness, and 2)the underlying offense he lied about was one that the American public at large doesn’t believe is worthy of removal from office.

Those factors are significant, because trump will never apologize, and his offenses as well as underlying offenses are egregious.

Today, cheating on your wife and sexually harassing interns would get someone drummed out of office. Trump certainly wont apologize right or wrong, but there is no obvious evidence of offenses like there was with Clinton, even if in the end it was just sexual harassment and lying about it.

 

[Cardinal]

Today, cheating on your wife and sexually harassing interns would get someone drummed out of office. Trump certainly wont apologize right or wrong, but there is no obvious evidence of offenses like there was with Clinton, even if in the end it was just sexual harassment and lying about it.

Oh stop it. Lewinsky wasn’t “sexually harassed.”

 

[jonny5]

What was the reason the republicans starting looking into bill clinton to impeach him?

I beleive it started with allegations of corruption where the Clintons had suspicious political dealings with a real estate company. During the investigation they discovered the inappropriate sexual relationship which Bill lied about.

 

[bongsaway]

He lied to a Grand Jury.

About?

 

[bongsaway]

Bill Clinton was guilty of perjury. There is no question that he committed that crime, as we all saw and heard him on national TV.

When that happened, I thought we couldn't do any worse. I was wrong, of course,
We subsequently elected a president who foolishly decided to invade a secular dictatorship in the name of fighting Islamic terrorism.
We'd have been better off had he committed perjury, or some other such crime.
Then we elected one who is demonstrably a fraud and conman and who has done irreparable damage to our overseas alliances, created a humanitarian crisis on the border, and whose personal life has made him a world wide laughingstock. So far, he hasn't started any foreign wars though. Which one is worse? So far, absent any wars, I'd say probably the one who decided on the invasion.


But, perjury shouldn't be treated lightly either.

It wasn't perjury that started it. That was the outcome.

 

[jonny5]

Oh stop it. Lewinsky wasn’t “sexually harassed.”

He was President, she was an intern. Using your position of authority to engage in sexual acts is the definition of sexual harassment. And we know she wasnt the only one.

“I now see how problematic it was that the two of us even got to a place where there was a question of consent,” Lewinsky wrote. “Instead, the road that led there was littered with inappropriate abuse of authority, station, and privilege.”

 

[bongsaway]

I beleive it started with allegations of corruption where the Clintons had suspicious political dealings with a real estate company. During the investigation they discovered the inappropriate sexual relationship which Bill lied about.

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. It started over whitewater and ended up with perjury because he lied about having sex with monica.

So the republicans impeached him for lying about a blow job and yet see nothing wrong with trump's behavior with the russians, ukraine and china since he also asked them to investigate the bidens. A frigging blow job.

 

[Dittohead not!]

It wasn't perjury that started it. That was the outcome.

I don't follow you. Perjury was the outcome of the impeachment? No, it's the other way around.

 

[Cardinal]

He was President, she was an intern. Using your position of authority to engage in sexual acts is the definition of sexual harassment. And we know she wasnt the only one.

I wasn’t previously familiar with that quote.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. It started over whitewater and ended up with perjury because he lied about having sex with monica.

So the republicans impeached him for lying about a blow job and yet see nothing wrong with trump's behavior with the russians, ukraine and china since he also asked them to investigate the bidens. A frigging blow job.

oh, now I see your line of reasoning.

The problem with it is, none of the other allegations could be proven. The only crime with which Bill Clinton could be charged was perjury, so his political enemies went with it.

 

[bongsaway]

I don't follow you. Perjury was the outcome of the impeachment? No, it's the other way around.

The whole thing started over 'whitewater' a real estate deal. They couldn't find the clintons did anything wrong so they impeached him for lying about a blow job to congress.

 

[Port & Starboard]

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. It started over whitewater and ended up with perjury because he lied about having sex with monica.

So the republicans impeached him for lying about a blow job and yet see nothing wrong with trump's behavior with the russians, ukraine and china since he also asked them to investigate the bidens. A frigging blow job.

No.... He lied about Paula Jones and Miss Lewinsky to a grand jury. Paula Jones, her lawyers, and Linda Tripp took down Bill Clinton along with the FBI.

That is what his law license was revoked for, and also the grounds of impeachment.

 

[bongsaway]

No.... He lied about Paula Jones and Miss Lewinsky to a grand jury. Paula Jones, her lawyers, and Linda Tripp took down Bill Clinton along with the FBI.

That is what his law license was revoked for, and also the grounds of impeachment.

Believe what you wish.

 

[Port & Starboard]

Believe what you wish.

This pretty much backs what I said.

President Clinton impeached - HISTORY


Ignorant and smug at the same time? :lamo That's gotta be somewhat painful pards.

 

[bongsaway]

This pretty much backs what I said.

President Clinton impeached - HISTORY


Ignorant and smug at the same time? :lamo That's gotta be somewhat painful pards.

Let me take a line from your link.

the Whitewater independent counsel

He was being investigated for whitewater, all the sex stuff came later. I'll be waiting for your agreement that I was correct. Or are you too smug?

 

[Port & Starboard]

Let me take a line from your link.

the Whitewater independent counsel

He was being investigated for whitewater, all the sex stuff came later. I'll be waiting for your agreement that I was correct. Or are you too smug?

You have a very distorted knowledge of history.

Starr's investigation was the recipient of the work done by Jone's lawyers, Linda Tripp, and the FBI.

Starr would have been spinning his wheels without them.

 

[GreatNews2night]

He was President, she was an intern. Using your position of authority to engage in sexual acts is the definition of sexual harassment. And we know she wasn't the only one.

It's amazing how people still don't know what sexual harassment is, despite all the training all employers provide. Either the poster above flunked that training or he hasn't been employed in the United States.

Using your position of power to engage in sexual acts is NOT the definition of sexual harassment, if the part about *unwelcome* advances is not there. It is certainly unethical and bad form and companies as a matter of internal policy can define it as sexual misconduct, but it is not sexual harassment. If a woman is in love with you precisely because she admires your position of power and she more than willingly engages in sex with you, again, it's bad form but NOT sexual harassment. Most companies may actually fire you for doing that, but they won't be firing you for sexual harassment. They will be firing you for your lack of judgment and unethical behavior that they define as a form of misconduct.

Sexual harassment can only occur if the the advances are *unwelcome.*

Look it up here:

Sexual Harassment | RAINN

See this part:

"Sexual misconduct is a non-legal term used informally to describe a broad range of behaviors, which may or may not involve harassment. For example, some companies prohibit sexual relationships between coworkers, or between an employee and their boss, even if the relationship is consensual."

What Clinton did with Lewinsky was a form of misconduct but wasn't harassment. Their relationsip was fully consensual, and there was never any doubt about that part. An accusation of harassment wasn't even formulated in the whole ordeal. Believe me, if it were there, it would have surfaced.

 

[Grim17]

It certainly shouldn’t be treated lightly. Clinton obstructed justice, and if he had been removed from office he’d have nobody but himself to blame. Ultimately, however, there were two reasons he wasn’t convicted: 1)he apologized and begged forgiveness, and 2)the underlying offense he lied about was one that the American public at large doesn’t believe is worthy of removal from office.

Many people tend to look at what Clinton lied about and dismiss it, but it's why he lied in the first place that makes it bad. He was being sued for sexual harassment by Paula Jones who was seeking damages for an incident that took place when he was Governor of Arkansas and she was a state employee. That was the justice he obstructed. Simply lying about an affair to save face, or to protect his marriage wouldn't have been that big a deal.

FYI, Although I understood him being impeached, I didn't think his offense warranted being removed from office either.

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[Cardinal]

Many people tend to look at what Clinton lied about and dismiss it, but it's why he lied in the first place that makes it bad. He was being sued for sexual harassment by Paula Jones who was seeking damages for an incident that took place when he was Governor of Arkansas and she was a state employee. That was the justice he obstructed. Simply lying about an affair to save face, or to protect his marriage wouldn't have been that big a deal.

FYI, Although I understood him being impeached, I didn't think his offense warranted being removed from office either.

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People do consider the underlying offense for why someone will lie. That doesn't make perjury acceptable, but people are naturally going to factor in the underlying offense.