How did Obama disappoint you?

[Big Brother]

What about left-wing media and their looking the other way? You want to fairly condemn the right wing media, you can't unless you open your eyes to the corruptness by both the left and rightwing media.

Anyone who can trust the propaganda machine and its MSM after the "Joe Biden is vigorous and sharp as a tack" BS is a complete idiot. It scares me that people are so dumb that they still believe the exact same propaganda machine and MSM that is now pushing the most unpopular VP of all time as Super Kamala!, and those same idiots are eating it up and asking for more. Only in America can you fool the people repeatedly, day after day after day.

 

[Mach]

What about left-wing media and their looking the other way? You want to fairly condemn the right wing media, you can't unless you open your eyes to the corruptness by both the left and rightwing media.

Whatabout. Bothsides.
The white flag of surrender. I don't blame you, I can't reasonable defend the modern Republican party, right wing media, or the Trump campaign on facts either.

Which major left-leaning network was fined $700M for lying to the public? (Fox news)
Which major left leaning network had it's top rated anchors, literally speaking at the Democratic candidates campaign (Hannity, Tucker, etc., with Trump)
Which major left-leaning network downplayed the crimes of the January 6th capitol attack, the fake elector plot Trump/co are up on felony charges for?
Which network tried to downplay Trump's felony crimes as somehow the fault of the just system, and lawfare, rather than Trump's obvious, flagrant, criminal actions?
Which network supported a POTUS extorting the president of Ukraine by witholding aid/weapons, in exchange for help against Democrats?

Please. Whatabout/both sides.
We have a mole hill vs the mountain of tragedy in right wing media and in the Trump campaign.

 

[trixare4kids]

Whatabout. Bothsides.
The white flag of surrender. I don't blame you, I can't reasonable defend the modern Republican party, right wing media, or the Trump campaign on facts either.

Which major left-leaning network was fined $700M for lying to the public? (Fox news)
Which major left leaning network had it's top rated anchors, literally speaking at the Democratic candidates campaign (Hannity, Tucker, etc., with Trump)
Which major left-leaning network downplayed the crimes of the January 6th capitol attack, the fake elector plot Trump/co are up on felony charges for?
Which network tried to downplay Trump's felony crimes as somehow the fault of the just system, and lawfare, rather than Trump's obvious, flagrant, criminal actions?
Which network supported a POTUS extorting the president of Ukraine by witholding aid/weapons, in exchange for help against Democrats?

Please. Whatabout/both sides.
We have a mole hill vs the mountain of tragedy in right wing media and in the Trump campaign.

I'll try to shed a tear for your dilemma, but until you realize the media is all corrupt, I'm saving my words.

 

[Big Brother]

I didn't vote for Obama. I felt he lacked true experience in the business world and in politics.
I didn't vote for McCain because he was more of the same.
It was at that time I casted a protest vote and went with Ron Paul. Living in CA., which is a blue state, my vote matters to me but nothing in the long of it.

But yeah, getting back. I think a lot of voters thought like you. Bush drained it, and here comes this newbie promising a whole new day, hope and change. He ruled very much as an establishment DC went along to get along. I don't fault you for having no faith in politicians. Most are cut from the same cloth.

I grew up as a somewhat old school liberal with some conservative leanings. The only time I ever voted in the US was for Bill Clinton the first time because Bush Sr. was way too pro-establishment and the democrats were still slightly anti-establishment at the time (if you can believe that today!). In retrospect, you were prescient to vote for Ron Paul who turned out to be one of the better politicians of the time.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Go back before Obama. America had 8 years of GW Bush and the most pro-establishment focused government ever in the history of the US. By the end of his second term he had lost half of the GOP voters who desperately wanted change in DC. Along comes Obama speaking of Hope and Change and everyone breathed a sigh of relief. Until reality set in and everyone noticed that the establishment was fully in charge and nothing was going to change. But Washington DC sure did change Obama, who quickly aligned with the establishment and abandoned the will of the people. At the end of his second term a journalist asked $ him "So, where is all the Change?" Obama replied "You can't change Washington from the inside." Maybe that infamous quote was why so many Americans chose to elect an outsider in 2016.

Except a lot of the conservative media figures and politicians who supported Bush can just rebrand themselves as MAGA and you will give them all a free pass to do so.

 

[trixare4kids]

Anyone who can trust the propaganda machine and its MSM after the "Joe Biden is vigorous and sharp as a tack" BS is a complete idiot. It scares me that people are so dumb that they still believe the exact same propaganda machine and MSM that is now pushing the most unpopular VP of all time as Super Kamala!, and those same idiots are eating it up and asking for more. Only in America can you fool the people repeatedly, day after day after day.

Absolutely on point, you are. They were for him, ALL of them, (Kamala, Pelosi, Obama, Schumer, and the rest of the high-profile Democrats and the MSM predominately left leaning media LIED to us) before they suddenly turned like rabid dogs on him, usurping a democratic process, one he legally won, by threatening him to go by invoking the 25A. I don't like Joe Biden, but he is justified to feel betrayed by them. Ron Klain, a Democrat, spoke up and said what they did was wrong.

This is what they have become now. A pack of liars. They will falsely have their media heads lie for Kamala, they will lie and cover for her like they lied for Joe Biden, pretending she suddenly has a brain cell working. It's tragic for the country.

 

[trixare4kids]

I grew up as a somewhat old school liberal with some conservative leanings. The only time I ever voted in the US was for Bill Clinton the first time because Bush Sr. was way too pro-establishment and the democrats were still slightly anti-establishment at the time (if you can believe that today!). In retrospect, you were prescient to vote for Ron Paul who turned out to be one of the better politicians of the time.

He's the man, Ron Paul, who opened my eyes to the debt, both sides, the GOP and Democrats have amassed on the country for generations to come. I was a card-carrying Democrat who still thinks Bill Clinton did a good job. It all seemed to go downhill after his and Bush's time in office.

Trump, say what you want about him, tapped into the disenchantment with many who saw both parties more alike than not. Their constant intervention and war-mongering and adding unnecessary debt burden. Trump added debt too for that matter. However, I think given another term in office after the expense of Covid, the economy tanking, and rebuilding the military, he would have taken more initiative to bring in more revenue by strengthening the economy. His tax cuts didn't just help the wealthy. They helped everyone though the left stills lies about it.

 

[Big Brother]

He's the man, Ron Paul, who opened my eyes to the debt, both sides, the GOP and Democrats have amassed on the country for generations to come. I was a card-carrying Democrat who still thinks Bill Clinton did a good job. It all seemed to go downhill after his and Bush's time in office.

Trump, say what you want about him, tapped into the disenchantment with many who saw both parties more alike than not. Their constant intervention and war-mongering and adding unnecessary debt burden. Trump added debt too for that matter. However, I think given another term in office after the expense of Covid, the economy tanking, and rebuilding the military, he would have taken more initiative to bring in more revenue by strengthening the economy. His tax cuts didn't just help the wealthy. They helped everyone though the left stills lies about it.

Bill Clinton was OK, but he caved to the establishment for reelection and became the first pro-establishment democrat. He gave them the Telecommunications Act which created the MSM we have today and explains why the media is so pro democrat as well. He also gave the Big Banks the repeal of Glass Steagall which helped paved the way for banking mess in 2007/8 and the financialization of America. It was the pivoting point that eventually led to what I call the era of the Neo-Left. Very pro-establishment and pro- Big Brother. I hoped Obama's win over Clinton in 2008 corrected the democratic party, but the trend just continued with help from Hillary.

 

[phoenix2020]

My primary issues with Obama were the magnitude of the Wall Street bailouts, and not winding down Afghanistan etc. after Bin Laden was in a watery grave.

Overall I have a fairly positive impression of his terms.

 

[trixare4kids]

Bill Clinton was OK, but he caved to the establishment for reelection and became the first pro-establishment democrat. He gave them the Telecommunications Act which created the MSM we have today and explains why the media is so pro democrat as well. He also gave the Big Banks the repeal of Glass Steagall which helped paved the way for banking mess in 2007/8 and the financialization of America. It was the pivoting point that eventually led to what I call the era of the Neo-Left. Very pro-establishment and pro- Big Brother. I hoped Obama's win over Clinton in 2008 corrected the democratic party, but the trend just continued with help from Hillary.

Fair enough. You've touched on some matters I'd overlooked or didn't realize.
He was responsible for not killing Osama Bin Laden when he could have, should have in '98 which could have very well averted 9-11.

 

[Big Brother]

Trump, say what you want about him, tapped into the disenchantment with many who saw both parties more alike than not. Their constant intervention and war-mongering and adding unnecessary debt burden. Trump added debt too for that matter. However, I think given another term in office after the expense of Covid, the economy tanking, and rebuilding the military, he would have taken more initiative to bring in more revenue by strengthening the economy. His tax cuts didn't just help the wealthy. They helped everyone though the left stills lies about it.

Trump probably would have fought to keep the economic damage post covid to a minimum, and I think Trump would have done a better job than Biden. The only problem with Trump is that he invokes a really bad reaction from the political establishment that is just unbearable. This war between the establishment and Trump is destroying whats left of the country. The worst aspect of this war is the establishment has thrown so much BS propaganda against Trump that they got almost half the country to hate him without even knowing why, and at the same time convinced those people to inadvertently love the establishment and the idea of Big Brother. It's what makes me think the establishment is unbeatable and America is officially ****ed.

 

[Jetboogieman]

I didn't vote for Obama.

He was a black man and a good person.

Not particularly surprising.

 

[Ethel2]

Another dumb poll where good choices like “He didn’t disappoint me” are lacking.
This poll is like asking me when will i stop beating my wife.

 

[SMTA]

How did Obama disappoint you?

He couldn’t run for a third term.

 

[renee]

What disappointed me most that the first black president did not make a better impact for all America. He had a chance to set the pace going forward and blew it, and just divided us further.

What did he do other than having dark skin that divided us?

 

[renee]

He didn’t divorce Michelle and marry me

 

[trixare4kids]

Trump probably would have fought to keep the economic damage post covid to a minimum,

He did try. He allowed the states to take these matters into their own hands. He never suggested mandates like the Dems in the blue states did, some subsequently hurting their state's economy.

and I think Trump would have done a better job than Biden.

on anything, any day.

The only problem with Trump is that he invokes a really bad reaction from the political establishment that is just unbearable. This war between the establishment and Trump is destroying whats left of the country. The worst aspect of this war is the establishment has thrown so much BS propaganda against Trump that they got almost half the country to hate him without even knowing why, and at the same time convinced those people to inadvertently love the establishment and the idea of Big Brother. It's what makes me think the establishment is unbeatable and America is officially ****ed.

You make a good point. I share your pessimism.

 

[Mach]

I'll try to shed a tear for your dilemma, but until you realize the media is all corrupt, I'm saving my words.

So why can't you point to Democrats doing what Republican media has done?
Because they aren't the same.

Everyone is corrupt and lies, to some small degree, and by saying that you think to muddy the water, and dimish the crimes and betrayals of Republcan media/Trump/Republican candidates...

And yet, thinking, reasonable adults know the difference between some errors/small lies, and 24/7 lies that literally subvert democracy, hide crimes, are obviously on their face false, etc.

Leave this cheer-leading corrupt people behind Trix, it's no good for anyone!

 

[bongsaway]

Where did I say that?

Where did I say you did say that? I take it, no more or no less than any other president to mean you felt the same about all of them, no?

 

[Individual]

Where did I say you did say that? I take it, no more or no less than any other president to mean you felt the same about all of them, no?

None during my lifetime has resolved what I feel to be the most important issue, though there may have been something done that I agreed with as well as things I disagreed with by all of them. I can't say any has disappointed me as I don't have high expectations of government.

 

[VySky]

Sorry that’s not how it works. A mixed race man such as Obama is never white, not in America. It’s only when the racists try to spread the myth of colorblindness that they say that about public figures of mixed race. What you’re saying is that Obama is well spoken & smart but has a Black accent at times, when speaking to Blacks.
Vice President Kamala Harris is of mixed race, both Others so Donold the Convict is spreading his usual character assassination with the lame ass “She turned Black” schtick. He’s a ****in’ clown. I hope he continues the clown show at the debate. Not that he can help himself, no matter how his advisers try to keep him on message, he has his own message & he’ll revert to Hannibal Lecter or sinking e-boats or something out of his crazy place.

No. Biden is the one that said Obama was clean and articulate. Oh, if white America is so racist how did Obama get elected?

Your post is more of a fail than Harris economic plan.

 

[VySky]

Nice strawman, which doesn't reflect how many people voted here.

How do you know? You’re a Canadian.

 

[Yes_Minister]

How do you know? You’re a Canadian.

Nice comeback, dude.

 

[AliHajiSheik]

Ukraine, and the 80’s called and they want their foreign policy back.

…and flexibility after the election.

 

[uptower]

Jesus, it has been a bad week for Trumpies, hasn't it?