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How Cheonan Sank by NK?

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Why has the media not mentioned the possiblity of a Chinese Exocet, such as the C 701 missile being fired by North Korea on March 26, 2010?



C-802



South Korean naval ship sinks near North Korea; 46 people missing - 3/27/10 - New York News and Tri-State News - 7online.com


"The KN-01 anti-ship cruise missile is a new version of the SS-N-1- Styx which had its range upgraded. On 10 March 2003 the North conducted a missile test, likely the KN-01."

110 mile range might make it hard to detect by crew of Cheonan.

KN-01 Anti-Ship Cruise Missile North Korea


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I believe the current theory is a torpedo being the cause of the sinking. I believe an exocet class of ASM would not be able to cause the significant damage that was done
 
They have raised the ship out of the water. SK says that preliminary indications point to a hostile attack. They have yet to specify the weapon though.
 
If I recall correctly, just this week NK forcibly closed a highly popular Korean tourist site that is located close to the border with SK. This was a joint project and funded entirely by SK. NK was collecting millions in hard currency from tourist fees and concessions etc. It was a golden-egg-cash-cow for an extremely impoverished economy.

Something is up.
 
Firstly, human torpedoes are torpedoes that are guided by humans, they are the equivalent of kamikaze torpedoes.
Secondly, the bottom side of the ship was damaged, probably a torpedo
Thirdly, it was confirmed by experts that it was an external explosion that ripped the ship into half
Fourthly, the Geumgang resort that NK seized was expected before the Cheonan incident. In fact, NK seized the resort long before Cheonan because SK stopped visits to the resort after an SK tourist was shot dead.


Chances are that NK torpedoes or mines did it. After all, NK did not recognize the Northern Limit Line (the line that separates NK sea and SK sea) and places various mines near the border. Although there were several skirmishes and fights, there was nothing like this....
 
Was NK Provoked?

"There are unconfirmed reports that another South Korean vessel has fired shots towards North Korea. While South Korean military wouldn't confirm if shots were fired, they are increasing military presence in the area."


South Korean Navy Ship Cheonan Sunk Near North Korean Territory | NowPublic News Coverage


"AP

A news report says a number of South Korean sailors died and more than 40 are missing after their military ship sank off an island not far from North Korea, as the South Korean navy shot at unidentified ships near the maritime border."


FOXNews.com - South Korean Sailors Reportedly Die as Ship Sinks Near North Korea

"Naval forces fired a warning shot toward the north, targeting radar images that may have been a flock of birds, a Defense Ministry official said in response to earlier reports it had fired at an unidentified ship."

"In January, North Korea fired artillery in the area during military exercises, prompting warning shots by South Korea. In November, the two exchanged fire after a North Korean vessel ventured across the border."

South Korea Navy Seeks Survivors of Sunken Vessel Cheonan - BusinessWeek







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The C 802 aims for near the Water Line in the final apprach to the targeted ship.

"When entering the terminal phase of flight, the missile switches on its terminal guidance radar to search for the target. Once within a few kilometers of the target, the missile drops to 3-5 meters above sea level, about the same as a French Exocet missile. This altitude is slightly lower than the original 5-7 metres of the C-801/YJ-81. The missile may also maneuver during the terminal phase to make it a more difficult target for shipborne air defense systems. When approaching the target, the missile dives to hit the waterline of the ship to inflict maximum damage."

C-802 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


I have not seen news reports that the Cheonan had Missile defense arrays or radar, or that the missie defense was active at the time of the explosion.

I have not seen a news report on the distance of the center of the explosion below the water line.


The NSM Missile also aims for the water line in the final approach.

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Strike_Missile[/ame]





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Apparently there is no hole in the hull of the Cheonan. The stern of the Cheonan was was blown off the ship, by an explosive force underneath, and on the Port side. Water entered the breach between the stern and the main part of the ship.


"We believe it was a close-range explosion rather than a direct hit as the interior and exterior of the hull had no traces of burns or melting due to heat or a puncture.”
Yoon said the bottom and the left side of the hull were bent, so the explosion must have taken place somewhere below the portside of the ship.

“Weapons systems such as a sea mine or a torpedo are possible,”

http://www.koreaherald.com/national/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20100425000273




35 photos of the Cheonan bow.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2499651/posts


Wiki Reports no Missle Defense on Cheonan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROKS_Cheonan_(PCC-772)


Bubble Jet caused by an under-water explosion, broke Cheonan's hull

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8642470.stm



http://warnewsupdates.blogspot.com/2010/04/how-nkorean-torpedo-could-have-sunk.html



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I expect the official answer is going to be a mine. Whether true or not is another issue
 
I expect the official answer is going to be a mine. Whether true or not is another issue

http://warnewsupdates.blogspot.com/2010/04/how-nkorean-torpedo-could-have-sunk.html



"South Korea is investigating whether a demoted North Korean general has won back his former rank as a reward for the sinking of a South Korean warship, an official said yesterday.

North Korean TV footage and a still photo released over the weekend showed Kim Myong-guk wearing four stars on his collar.

Earlier photos showed that General Kim, who heads the general staff's operations bureau, had been demoted to a three-star general in January."


General's promotion linked to warship sinking


Cheonan might have be sunk by a NK Submarine.


"According to unnamed South Korean military sources, the cause of the "bubble jet", which is a fancy term for what can be more colloquially described as a really big explosion under water, was likely an attack: "North Korean submarines are all armed with heavy torpedoes with 200 kg (441 lb) warheads. It is the military intelligence's assessment that the North attacked with a heavy torpedo."


http://network.nationalpost.com/NP/...matt-gurney-north-korea-submarine-attack.aspx

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"No decisive evidence has been found to indicate the involvement of a North Korean submarine. The only circumstantial evidence found so far is that around the time of the sinking, two North Korean Shark-class submarines temporarily disappeared from radar surveillance from their base at Cape Bipagot about 80 km from where the ship sank near Yeonpyeong Island."


The Chosun Ilbo (English Edition): Daily News from Korea - Cheonan Probe Focuses on Torpedo Debris


"One former North Korean sailor who defected to South Korea said the suicide squads have many semi-submersible vessels that can carry two bombers and either two torpedoes or two floating mines. In areas like the West Sea where the underwater current is fast, the suicide bombers train with mines rather than torpedoes.

One defector who served in North Korea's intelligence service, said, "Following the first naval battle in 1999, North Korea realized that it cannot defeat the South Korean Navy by conventional means and began studying unconventional methods." The best method is said to be the use of "acoustic mines" carried by small, semi-submersibles that travel at speeds of less than 2 km/h. The craft could be detected by South Korean sonar if they travel any faster. If the underwater squads returned after placing the mines on the hull of a ship, it would be very difficult to find evidence of the attack."


http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2010/03/30/2010033000884.html


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Information on small Submersible infiltation boats.


"North Korean naval forces have significant numbers of watercraft of various sizes and capabilities allocated exclusively to a maritime infiltration mission. These craft include a variety of submarines, coastal patrol craft, high-speed semi-submersible craft, air-cushioned amphibious craft, and rubber raiding craft."


SSI Small Submersible


List of incidents between North and South Korea, since 1954

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_of_Korea[/ame]



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"Assuming that North Korea was somehow involved in the explosion, Professor Kim added also that “unrest in North Korea is at its peak, so the attack may have been an effort to quell disturbances.

“It is also possible that North Korea, which has been defeated by our own navy several times, attacked us in order to boost morale and spread propaganda,” Kim also said, noting that such an intention reflects North Korea’s concern over social unrest, the growing conflict in South Korea between pro-Kim Jong Il and anti-Kim Jong Il groups, and security problems on the Korean peninsula.

Finally, Kim further pointed out that a North Korean attack could have been an effort to change the stance of China, which, despite having promised an astronomical amount of economic aid, is dispensing it on a conditional basis. North Korea knows that neighboring countries want a stable environment for the upcoming Shanghai World Expo and Asian Games, and could be taking advantage of the situation to secure more aid."


Daily NK - Proving Cause of Naval Tragedy Difficult


So the purpose of an attack on the Ceonan may not have been to defeat South Korea, or to engage in world wide terrorism, but rather simply Sabre rattling for international respect, domestic tranquility, and shaking down China for more aid.




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I wonder how possible this theory is

Asia Times Online :: Korea News and Korean Business and Economy, Pyongyang News

Despite its strong denial of any involvement and expressions of sympathy for lost fellow Koreans, fingers are being pointed at North Korea over the tragic sinking of the 1,200-ton South Korean corvette Cheonan in the West Sea or Yellow Sea on the night of March 26.

"A North Korean torpedo attack was the most likely cause for the sinking of a South Korean warship last month," an unnamed US military official told CNN on April 26. Up to 46 of the ship's 104 sailors were killed in the sinking.

Apparently, North Korea is being set up as the fall guy in an incident that is so mysterious that a Los Angeles Times April 26 story datelined Seoul was headlined, "James Bond Theories Arise in Korean Ship Sinking".


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Revealing circumstantial evidence
Is it possible that North Korea carried out the daring act of torpedoing a South Korean corvette participating in a US-South Korean war exercise? The answer is a categorical no. The circumstantial evidence is quite revealing, showing who is the more likely culprit

Fact 1.North Korean submarines are not stealthy enough to penetrate heavily guarded South Korean waters at night and remain undetected by the highly touted anti-submarine warfare units of the American and South Korean forces. A North Korean submarine would be unable to outmaneuver an awesome array of high-tech Aegis warships, identify the corvette Cheonan and then slice it in two with a torpedo before escaping unscathed, leaving no trace of its identity.

Fact 2. The sinking took place not in North Korean waters but well inside tightly guarded South Korean waters, where a slow-moving North Korean submarine would have great difficulty operating covertly and safely, unless it was equipped with AIP (air-independent propulsion) technology.

Fact 2: The disaster took place precisely in the waters where what the Pentagon has called "one of the world's largest simulated exercises" was underway. This war exercise, known as "Key Resolve/Foal Eagle" did not end on March 18 as was reported but actually ran from March 18 to April 30.

Fact 3: The Key Resolve/Foal Eagle exercise on the West Sea near the Northern Limit Line (NLL) was aimed at keeping a more watchful eye on North Korea as well as training for the destruction of weapons of mass destruction in the North. It involved scores of shiny, ultra-modern US and South Korean warships equipped with the latest technology.

Among the fleet were four Aegis ships: the USS Shiloh (CG-67), a 9,600-ton Ticonderoga class cruiser, the USS Curtis Wilbur (DDG-54), a 6,800-ton Arleigh Burke class guided-missile destroyer, the USS Lassen, a 9,200-ton Arleigh Burke class guided-missile destroyer and Sejong the Great, a 8,500-ton South Korean guided-missile destroyer.


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Fact 4: Deputy Secretary of State James Steinberg said on March 30 that he doubted there was North Korean involvement in the sinking: "Obviously the full investigation needs to go forward. But to my knowledge, there's no reason to believe or to be concerned that that may have been the cause."

General Walter Sharp, US Forces Korea (USFK) commander, also saw no link between North Korea and the sinking. In an April 6 press conference, he said: "We, as Combined Forces Command and the ROK [Republic of Korea] Joint Chief of Staff, watch North Korea very closely every single day of the year and we continue to do that right now. And again, as this has been said, we see no unusual activity at this time

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Friendly fire
Seven facts indicate friendly fire as the most likely cause of the naval disaster. It may be no exaggeration to say that the South Korean president and his military leaders have shed crocodile tears over the dead South Korean sailors.

A torpedo could have been launched from any of the American or South Korean warships or warplanes taking part in the Foal Eagle exercise alongside the hapless Cheonan.

The four Aegis ships and most South Korean warships carry Mark 46 torpedoes, which have improved shallow-water performance for anti-submarine warfare and anti-ship operations.

General Sharp had issued on March 4 a five-point safety message warning that "a single accident can undermine the training benefits you will receive during KR/FE '10. Remain vigilant and engaged."

Please note the person writing the above is believed to be closely tied with NKorea
 
BREAKING- Cheonan is found to have gunpowder residues in the hole, and that gunpowder was found to have been from a torpedo.
 


How about a little direction? Zooming out from the issues and challenging what we've been raised to believe about Korea can really be challenged by new perspectives on the situation.
 
The biggest flaw with stating NK sunk the Cheonan was the "finding" of NK writing on the torpedo casing. Which from what I recall reading was in very good condition, while the surrounding paint was charred and worn as you would expect from something involved in a massive explosion
 
Unless there's another decent investigation that proves the official one is wrong, then I'll have to accept the official finding. Of course, there are several controversial issues.
No.1 is that the piece of torpedo which the official writing of North Korea found is relatively unscarred and big. Other pieces were very small

No.2 is that the timing of the incident. The Grand National Party (GNP) has a hard-line stance against North Korea. At the time of the sinking, regional elections were approaching and with the incident, it's natural that people would want North Korea punished and support the GNP. Curiously, if the government did that incident on purpose, then the plan backfired. With conspiracy theories about the Cheonan floating around in South Korea, people distrusted the GNP and voted for the opposition

No.3 is the reluctance in raising the ship. Although it was true that the weather was dangerous, it should have taken much faster with our technology.
 
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