How can this possibly be constitutional?

[Ganondagan]

Cite this "evidence" then!

Do you even know what evidence is? Here's a hint: it's not philosophy, faith, or feelings.

That's your problem. You're stuck in Plato's allegory of the cave.

 

[Gordy327]

That's your problem. You're stuck in Plato's allegory of the cave.

It's not a problem at all. It's simple fact. If one needs to believe in silly things like gods and such to help them deal with life reality or are just ignorant of that, that's their problem. But belief does not equal fact.

 

[Ganondagan]

There is literally nothing in the Constitution that is based off of Christianity...

The Constitution, primarily the Bill of Rights, were based off of principles of the Enlightenment.

Once again, the government is not the nation, the body of citizens is the nation. The culture of the people is upstream from the government.

 

[Gordy327]

Once again, the government is not the nation, the body of citizens is the nation. The culture of the people is upstream from the government.

The government represents and reflects the nation.

 

[Bodi]

Once again, the government is not the nation, the body of citizens is the nation. The culture of the people is upstream from the government.

That is even a worse argument. There are many religions and there have been even prior to the founding of the nation.

...and when talking about the founding of the nation the argument is about the government because that is what represents the people...
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[Ganondagan]

Science does not back up your faith because without evidence and fact it is not science...

. because

That's a confusing sentence. Science doesn't have to back up my faith...it does, but it isn't required.

 

[Gordy327]

That's a confusing sentence. Science doesn't have to back up my faith...it does, but it isn't required.

You miss the point. Faith is not science or evidence.

 

[Ganondagan]

That is even a worse argument. There are many religions and there have been even prior to the founding of the nation.

...and when talking about the founding of the nation the argument is about the government because that is what represents the people...
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It's not a worse answer, it's foundational to the issue. Culture exists before government and determines what the government it to protect.

 

[Ganondagan]

You miss the point. Faith is not science or evidence.

Not to you because you only accept physical evidence, but billions of people don't restrict themselves to that.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Not to you because you only accept physical evidence, but billions of people don't restrict themselves to that.

By definition faith is believing something in the absence of evidence.

It is not itself evidence.

Definitions of faith

• Belief without evidence: This is a common and concise definition used in many discussions, such as the one by Bertrand Russell, who stated, "We only speak of faith when we wish to substitute emotion for evidence".

 

[Gordy327]

Not to you because you only accept physical evidence, but billions of people don't restrict themselves to that.

Not just to me but also science. Also An argumentum ad populum. Belief still doesn't equal fact or evidence, not matter what people tell or delude themselves. And still no evidence presented I see.

 

[Ganondagan]

By definition faith is believing something in the absence of evidence.

It is not itself evidence.

Definitions of faith

• Belief without evidence: This is a common and concise definition used in many discussions, such as the one by Bertrand Russell, who stated, "We only speak of faith when we wish to substitute emotion for evidence".

OK, that's your opinion.

 

[Gordy327]

OK, that's your opinion.

How is a dictionary definition and opinion?

 

[NolanVoyd]

OK, that's your opinion.

Its what the word means.

 

[Bodi]

That's a confusing sentence. Science doesn't have to back up my faith...it does, but it isn't required.

You miss the point. Faith is not science or evidence.

What Gordy said...


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[TheDoctorWasIn]

That's a confusing sentence.

No. It isn't.

Not to you because you only accept physical evidence, but billions of people don't restrict themselves to that.

Yes, we know. People are stupid, and easily led.

Evidence is by definition "physical."

 

[Bodi]

It's not a worse answer, it's foundational to the issue. Culture exists before government and determines what the government it to protect.

The argument I was arguing against was about the Foundation of America being Christian. It isn't. The Foundation of America begins with the Constitution. Not the Articles of Confederation. Not the Mayflower Compact. Not what Thelma and Fred the Farmers think or believe.... it is about the Government and the United States Constriction that founded the American Government, has NOTHING to do with Christianity.

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[Bodi]

That's a confusing sentence. Science doesn't have to back up my faith...it does, but it isn't required.

Science backs up your Faith? What science of evidence and facts backs up your faith in something with no evidence or facts?



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[Ganondagan]

Not just to me but also science. Also An argumentum ad populum. Belief still doesn't equal fact or evidence, not matter what people tell or delude themselves. And still no evidence presented I see.

There is evidence, it's all around you, you just refuse to see it. For me, it's a matter of spiritual experiences, reason, and faith. And before you even go into your insulting replies know that I don't care if you disagree.
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If you're really interested you could do an AI search for evidence in a religious context. Here is one:

In a religious context, evidence refers to facts, events, or experiences that support religious beliefs, serving as a foundation for faith rather than blind acceptance. This evidence can be categorized as historical (corroborating biblical events), prophetic (fulfilled prophecies), personal (transformational experiences), or spiritual (guided by divine revelation).

 

[Ganondagan]

What Gordy said...


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Gordy is being ignored.

 

[Ganondagan]

By definition faith is believing something in the absence of evidence.

It is not itself evidence.

Definitions of faith

• Belief without evidence: This is a common and concise definition used in many discussions, such as the one by Bertrand Russell, who stated, "We only speak of faith when we wish to substitute emotion for evidence".

Bertrand Russell was an agnostic at best and probably, in reality, an atheist. His statement are no more convincing than yours.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

If you're really interested you could do an AI search for evidence in a religious context. Here is one:

In a religious context, evidence refers to facts, events, or experiences that support religious beliefs, serving as a foundation for faith rather than blind acceptance. This evidence can be categorized as historical (corroborating biblical events), prophetic (fulfilled prophecies), personal (transformational experiences), or spiritual (guided by divine revelation).

We really do live in the worst possible world.

 

[Ganondagan]

No. It isn't.



Yes, we know. People are stupid, and easily led.

Evidence is by definition "physical."

That's the point, if you think that the physical world is all there is you are missing at least half of what exists in actuality. Evidence is by definition physical may be true for you but "there are more things in heaven and earth, Heratio, than are dreamt of in your phiosophy." The limits of physical evidence preclude your ever being able to understand the wonders of God's creation.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Bertrand Russell was an agnostic at best and probably, in reality, an atheist. His statement are no more convincing than yours.

Which has what to do with the definition of Faith?

 

[Ganondagan]

Science backs up your Faith? What science of evidence and facts backs up your faith in something with no evidence or facts?



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Let me provide you with an AI search result as an answer for question. It explains it very well and saves me from having to compose a long answer to do the same thing.

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Google Search

"In a religious context, evidence is often defined as signs, testimones, or experiences that support faith and divine claims., but it is distinct from empirical evidence. It can include historical and archaeological findings, such as the confirmation of certain biblical figures, as well as personal experiences like miracles, answered prayers, and a feeling of spiritual conviction. This evidence is used to confirm the credibility of scripture and divine revelation, though it is understood that faith requires believing in truths that are not always visible."


Types of evidence in religion

• Historical and archaeological evidence: The existence of numerous biblical figures, such as King Ahab, Pontius Pilate, and Nebuchadnezzar, has been confirmed through external sources like inscriptions and historical texts, as this YouTube video and the provided information show.
• Miracles and signs: Miracles, such as Jesus's resurrection, are presented in religious texts as evidence of divine power and authority.
• Experiential evidence: This includes personal experiences like answered prayers or the feeling of a spiritual presence.
• Testimony: The accounts and testimonies of others, particularly eyewitness accounts, are often considered evidence.

Relationship between faith and evidence

• Evidence as support for faith: Many religious traditions view evidence as a way to support and strengthen faith, which is seen as active trust and commitment, according to this YouTube video and Stand to Reason.
• Faith beyond empirical proof: Religious faith often involves belief in spiritual truths that are not tangible or empirically provable, with faith itself being seen as assurance of what is hoped for, as cited in Bible Hub.
• Reason and revelation: Some belief systems emphasize that both faith and reason are necessary to arrive at knowledge, viewing them as two wings of the human spirit.