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The legal battle over Louisiana law requiring schools to display Ten Commandments​

It's pretty specific. It says the Ten Commandments need to be displayed in large, easily readable font. The law also says posters displaying the commandments have to include a context statement, the exact wording of which was included in the law passed by Louisiana's Republican-controlled legislature. It's several paragraphs but, in short, says the Ten Commandments, quote, "were a prominent part of American public education for almost three centuries," though I should say some historians argue that isn't true.

The U.S. Supreme Court struck down a similar law to Louisiana's in 1980. In that ruling, the court said requiring schools in Kentucky to post the Ten Commandments, quote, "had no secular legislative purpose," was plainly religious and therefore unconstitutional. Now, Louisiana's attorney general argues the state's law is different and constitutional. She says it passes a history and tradition test and that it's about teaching morals. Opponents aren't buying that, though. They say this case is about getting something that's already been decided back to the Supreme Court, which now has a conservative supermajority.

Let's explain the 7th Commandment to 3rd Graders.
 
Loulit01 said:

The legal battle over Louisiana law requiring schools to display Ten Commandments​

It's pretty specific. It says the Ten Commandments need to be displayed in large, easily readable font. The law also says posters displaying the commandments have to include a context statement, the exact wording of which was included in the law passed by Louisiana's Republican-controlled legislature. It's several paragraphs but, in short, says the Ten Commandments, quote, "were a prominent part of American public education for almost three centuries," though I should say some historians argue that isn't true.

The U.S. Supreme Court struck down a similar law to Louisiana's in 1980. In that ruling, the court said requiring schools in Kentucky to post the Ten Commandments, quote, "had no secular legislative purpose," was plainly religious and therefore unconstitutional. Now, Louisiana's attorney general argues the state's law is different and constitutional. She says it passes a history and tradition test and that it's about teaching morals. Opponents aren't buying that, though. They say this case is about getting something that's already been decided back to the Supreme Court, which now has a conservative supermajority.

Let's explain the 7th Commandment to 3rd Graders.
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Roe vs Wade?
 
quietlady said:
The way to test whether this would bother you or not. Is put another faiths,other than christianity,in the classrooms on the wall. Would this bother you?
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You think it wouldn't bother me if the government ordered Islamic, or Hindu, or Buddhist texts on the wall? Of course it would.
 
Loulit01 said:
You think it wouldn't bother me if the government ordered Islamic, or Hindu, or Buddhist texts on the wall? Of course it would.
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That Is What bothers the families involved in the law suit rev. Roake versus brumley. This comment I made was not specifically toward anyone. It was a yard stick example,of why it bothered the families and group involved. That is how they see it. Separation of state and religion.
 
Loulit01 said:

The legal battle over Louisiana law requiring schools to display Ten Commandments​

It's pretty specific. It says the Ten Commandments need to be displayed in large, easily readable font. The law also says posters displaying the commandments have to include a context statement, the exact wording of which was included in the law passed by Louisiana's Republican-controlled legislature. It's several paragraphs but, in short, says the Ten Commandments, quote, "were a prominent part of American public education for almost three centuries," though I should say some historians argue that isn't true.

The U.S. Supreme Court struck down a similar law to Louisiana's in 1980. In that ruling, the court said requiring schools in Kentucky to post the Ten Commandments, quote, "had no secular legislative purpose," was plainly religious and therefore unconstitutional. Now, Louisiana's attorney general argues the state's law is different and constitutional. She says it passes a history and tradition test and that it's about teaching morals. Opponents aren't buying that, though. They say this case is about getting something that's already been decided back to the Supreme Court, which now has a conservative supermajority.

Let's explain the 7th Commandment to 3rd Graders.
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New justices means new precedents.
 
Public schools, NO. Sunday schools, Okay.
I moved my Daughter, when in the 4th grade, from the local school about 2km from home, to another school about 23km away when she brought home some schoolwork containing text from the Bible. Most people are Buddhist where we live, though there are a few who have been converted to Christianity. Most of my relatives are/were religious, Episcopalian, Catholic, Baptist, though I was an atheist from about age 6, and later found my Grandfather also was.
Our education system should concentrate on teaching what our young need to know to succeed in life.
 
If this law is upheld, Golden calf, or other idolic forms of jewelry should become highly sought after by school age children.
 
iamwhatiseem said:
Funny stuff
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apnews.com

School district and The Satanic Temple reach agreement in lawsuit over After School Satan Club

An eastern Pennsylvania school district has reached a settlement with The Satanic Temple in a lawsuit alleging discrimination against students by barring one of the group's After School Satan clubs from using a school building.
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thesatanictemple.com

Breaking News: The Satanic Temple and FFRF Settle Discrimination Lawsuit Against Memphis-Area School

The Satanic Temple, in partnership with the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF), has achieved a significant legal victory in a federal lawsuit against the Shelby County Board of Education in Memphis, Tennessee. This case, centered on critical First Amendment rights, challenged the school...
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LOL
 
I'm against it, but legal? It wouldn't seem to be based on the separation clause. I'm sure it will be taken to court, as will Oklahoma's.
 
Loulit01 said:

The legal battle over Louisiana law requiring schools to display Ten Commandments​

It's pretty specific. It says the Ten Commandments need to be displayed in large, easily readable font. The law also says posters displaying the commandments have to include a context statement, the exact wording of which was included in the law passed by Louisiana's Republican-controlled legislature. It's several paragraphs but, in short, says the Ten Commandments, quote, "were a prominent part of American public education for almost three centuries," though I should say some historians argue that isn't true.

The U.S. Supreme Court struck down a similar law to Louisiana's in 1980. In that ruling, the court said requiring schools in Kentucky to post the Ten Commandments, quote, "had no secular legislative purpose," was plainly religious and therefore unconstitutional. Now, Louisiana's attorney general argues the state's law is different and constitutional. She says it passes a history and tradition test and that it's about teaching morals. Opponents aren't buying that, though. They say this case is about getting something that's already been decided back to the Supreme Court, which now has a conservative supermajority.

Let's explain the 7th Commandment to 3rd Graders.
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The Constitution says two things about religion. 1. The government will not form a national church. 2. The government will not interfere in anyone's ability to worship as they choose.

Does a law putting the 10 commandments on the wall constitute the government forming a national church? NO Does it constitute the government keeping anyone from worshipping as they choose? NO

The ten commandments are on the supreme court building. America was founded on Christian principles.
 
tonyeveland said:
The Constitution says two things about religion. 1. The government will not form a national church. 2. The government will not interfere in anyone's ability to worship as they choose.

Does a law putting the 10 commandments on the wall constitute the government forming a national church? NO Does it constitute the government keeping anyone from worshipping as they choose? NO

The ten commandments are on the supreme court building. America was founded on Christian principles.
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You are missing something significant.
The Supreme Court has established a three-part test to determine if something constitutes an "establishment of religion":
  • The primary purpose of the assistance must be secular
  • The assistance must neither promote nor inhibit religion
  • There is no excessive entanglement between church and state
Putting up any particular religious object clearly promotes that religion.

America was founded on principles that are largely SHARED by Christianity, along with most other religions.
 
tonyeveland said:
The Constitution says two things about religion. 1. The government will not form a national church. 2. The government will not interfere in anyone's ability to worship as they choose.

Does a law putting the 10 commandments on the wall constitute the government forming a national church? NO Does it constitute the government keeping anyone from worshipping as they choose? NO

The ten commandments are on the supreme court building. America was founded on Christian principles.
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The 10 C should not be displayed on the wall of the SC or any government building.

Public money should not be used to support any religion.

The “America was founded on Christian principles” has been argued to death. It will one day likely be decided by the Supreme Court.

You clearly support replacing our democracy with a Christocracy. That could happen under Trump. Until then don’t get your panties in a twist.
 
Risky Thicket said:
The 10 C should not be displayed on the wall of the SC or any government building.

Public money should not be used to support any religion.

The “America was founded on Christian principles” has been argued to death. It will one day likely be decided by the Supreme Court.

You clearly support replacing our democracy with a Christocracy. That could happen under Trump. Until then don’t get your panties in a twist.
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1. America WAS founded on christian principles. That is an historic fact, not an opinion or legislative issue.

2. Your statement about a "Christocracy" is your fabrication. Nothing and nobody has ever said anything like that. You made that up.

3. Why shouldn't the 10 C be displayed on the wall of the SC or any government building? What is your Constitutional reference to support that?

4. "Public money should not be used to support any religion". Why not? It doesn't violate the Constitution. And where are you on public money supporting abortion and sex changes?

I think you are driven by your biases, not principle, evidence, etc. If I'm wrong about this, give me some principles, evidence, etc.
 
BabaVoss said:
You are missing something significant.
The Supreme Court has established a three-part test to determine if something constitutes an "establishment of religion":
  • The primary purpose of the assistance must be secular
  • The assistance must neither promote nor inhibit religion
  • There is no excessive entanglement between church and state
Putting up any particular religious object clearly promotes that religion.

America was founded on principles that are largely SHARED by Christianity, along with most other religions.
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The Supreme Court also called abortion legal. What you cited can change.

Read the Constitution and do your own thinking.

There is a two point test:
1. Does it constitute the government forming a national church?
2. Does it constitute the government interfering in anyone's ability to worship as they choose.

Does putting the 10C on a wall fail either of these tests? This is not rhetorical. What is your answer?
 
It rather begs the question about who this is for. The students won't care about it.

This seems more like a virtue signaling trick.
 
tonyeveland said:
1. America WAS founded on christian principles. That is an historic fact, not an opinion or legislative issue.

2. Your statement about a "Christocracy" is your fabrication. Nothing and nobody has ever said anything like that. You made that up.

3. Why shouldn't the 10 C be displayed on the wall of the SC or any government building? What is your Constitutional reference to support that?

4. "Public money should not be used to support any religion". Why not? It doesn't violate the Constitution. And where are you on public money supporting abortion and sex changes?

I think you are driven by your biases, not principle, evidence, etc. If I'm wrong about this, give me some principles, evidence, etc.
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The US was founded on Enlightenment principles which challenged the superstious thinking of religion with logic and reason.

"Many of the founding fathers—Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Madison and Monroe—practiced a faith called Deism. Deism is a philosophical belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems. Deists believe in a supreme being who created the universe to operate solely by natural laws—and after creation, is absent from the world. This belief in reason over dogma helped guide the founders toward a system of government that respected faiths like Christianity, while purposely isolating both from encroaching on one another so as not to dilute the overall purpose and objectives of either.

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