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How can one become Liberal?


I just have no respect for someone like you.
 
Kelzie said:
Prove it. Prove that every single liberal program brought us down. You can start with public education for everyone, safe working environment and making child labor illegal.


Who are they to tell a child he can't work? It's bigotted. They have every right to earn a living as we do. Kids have to feed their families too. ....More of "the man" just keeping a person down.:2no4:
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
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Ahhh, thank you, Simon.
 
I don't view the world through the lens of somebody else's pre-formed ideology, myself, and so when folks indulge in politics as if it involved the application of mutually exclusive dichotomies, I usually find myself objecting to the characterizations any "side" applies to the other. It may be comforting to view the world with rigid demarkations, but I think the world is more complex than that.

I see distinctions between liberals and authoriratian leftists, myself, just as I see distinctions between conservatives and rigid fundamentalists. IMO, one should form a view of the world from the bottom up rather than the top down by forming one's values first and then developing an ideology from the values rather than adopting the ideology and then twisting the values to conform witht he idology.

In terms of why one would be a liberal, though, I think it may help to discuss what liberality *is* rather than specific attitudes or policies to which somebody has applied the term "liberal" . In my own way of looking at it, one basic distinction between conservatism and liberality lies in the way one views social institutions, social order and traditions, conservatives placing a higher value on the preservation of institutions and order (the "conserve" in conservative having to do with conserving institutions) and liberals a higher value on social justice and an increased willingness to change these institutions. Women would not be voting were it not for liberal ideology.

There are certainly extremes involved no matter what the ideology, and imo, most of the extremes derive from people who do not understand the underlying values and who either simply conform to the label or react againstt he opposing label. Conservatism taken to its extreme can result in societies in stasis as institutionalized oppression (political Islamism being a prime example) whereas liberality taken to its extreme can end up with an approach that throws outt he baby with the bath water, failing to preserve that which *should* be preserved.

In any case, I would say that the best approach to politics is to base ones attitudes on real values rather than deciding one is going to be a "conservative", a "liberal", a "libertarian" or anything else.
 

:lol: Aww, poor diddums!
 
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Thanks, Simon. Now I can call ptsdkid a ****ing moron without reproach.
 
Originally posted by Engimo:
Thanks, Simon. Now I can call ptsdkid a ****ing moron without reproach.
Let the carnege begin.
 
GySgt said:
Who are they to tell a child he can't work? It's bigotted. They have every right to earn a living as we do. Kids have to feed their families too. ....More of "the man" just keeping a person down.:2no4:

gunny you always throw me off when you're funny. :lol:
 
Billo_Really said:
Let the carnege begin.


****Ah, finally found out where all my hard hitting posts ended up. I'm not surprised that you liberals can't handle the truth, but I'm a bit surprised that the obvious liberal staff at debate politics decided to move the truth to fit their agenda. What a bunch of ******s!..HaHaHa!
 
I f_cked your mother in the ass then she took a sh!t so big we had to name it ptsdkid! That's how you rolled off the assembly line c.u.n.t. boy.
 

Actually, your **** ends up down here cause you're a moronic **** and we don't want you up in public where anyone can see you. It's kind of embarassing.
 
Originally posted by Kelzie:
Actually, your **** ends up down here cause you're a moronic **** and we don't want you up in public where anyone can see you. It's kind of embarassing.
Yeah, he's worse than me, I think.
 
Well, so long as you don't have to accept any personal responsibility for the contente tone and tenor of your posts ...
 
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This is exactly the kind of Bullsh!t that inspired me to write the 'Leaving A Trail Of Slime Wherever They Go' thread.

I think we should change the name of this forum to Whining Conservative Taliban Fu<ker Fest Chat Room.
 
Saboteur said:
This is exactly the kind of Bullsh!t that inspired me to write the 'Leaving A Trail Of Slime Wherever They Go' thread.

I think we should change the name of this forum to Whining Conservative Taliban Fu<ker Fest Chat Room.


Somebody's handing out Talibans?
 
Axismaster said:
You guys always go back to things like child labor and minimum wage laws, which I support. I am only talking about the conspiracy to impose communism on America.

Yep you are the only one.:lamo
 
GySgt said:
Somebody's handing out Talibans?

Yep the Religious Neo-Con agenda wants to control this country in a Theocratic Dictatorship.
 
Saboteur said:
Yep the Religious Neo-Con agenda wants to control this country in a Theocratic Dictatorship.


What's new? You act like this is some grand movement of militants on the march against your "civil liberties." Drama.
 
GySgt said:
What's new? You act like this is some grand movement of militants on the march against your "civil liberties." Drama.

They don't need a militia. They have idiot voters who cowtow to tough language and hate.
 
Saboteur said:
They don't need a militia. They have idiot voters who cowtow to tough language and hate.


Oh. So the partisan tactic is to claim that "neo-cons" are out to control every aspect of your life through religion....and "Liberal-wingnuts" are determined to place America on a path towards anarchy.

Sounds like political paranoia to me. Funny thing is that "idiot voters" vote for people who merely want to be in office....nothing more.
 
I said something to this effect in another thread that was the antithesis of your's.....

I'm sure glad I didn't join your party.

Conservatives....Bleh!

Same goes for liberals.
 
SixStringHero said:
I said something to this effect in another thread that was the antithesis of your's.....

I'm sure glad I didn't join your party.

Conservatives....Bleh!

Same goes for liberals.

Same goes for you!
 
"Sometimes the things that are hardest for you to see are right in front of your nose."

OMG OMG OMG. ORWELL WAS ONE OF THOSE LEFT WING SOCIALISTS YOU SILLY SILLY SILLY MAN!!!!!!!! SHAME ON YOU!
 
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