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How can anyone defend this election process?

If the (fair and accurate) 2020 election is over then why are some House races not yet decided?

because they are exceedingly close and they are double and triple checking because 10 votes might make a difference ....unlike the presidential election which is not close at all in any state in question.
 
I must've gotten crossed, I am not a Trump supporter, and it appears you are not either. Peace.

Me again. Sorry. I am so busy busting the hump of people trying to rationalize the fraud allegations I misread. Excuse me and peace, I am in overdrive. I actually do not even have an issue with Republicans. I like Romney and McCain. I myself am a boring middle of the road person neither left or right. I am just fed up with all the whining over Trump losing. You will excuse me as I stick my head up my rear and calm down.
 
So your theory is that doing hand counts is a bad thing?

Unless one is at home in the privacy of their bed-room..................................................................................................................
 
Me again. Sorry. I am so busy busting the hump of people trying to rationalize the fraud allegations I misread. Excuse me and peace, I am in overdrive. I actually do not even have an issue with Republicans. I like Romney and McCain. I myself am a boring middle of the road person neither left or right. I am just fed up with all the whining over Trump losing. You will excuse me as I stick my head up my rear and calm down.
Sometimes it's hard to tell which way is up here in the turning gyre.
 
We are now going into week 4 and there are Congressional elections where they still have not counted all ballots.

How many extra weeks do Democratic election officials have to create fraudulent votes? 5, 6, 8 - however many it takes to declare victory?
 
Do you believe that the courts have made correct rulings so far? Because most of them have not gone in Trump's favor. I'm wondering if you believe other cases will, and why you believe that since he hasn't had much success yet.

Good point. Courts across those states have thrown out Trump's petty claims. Republican judges and Governors and Secretaries of State are shouring him down. Yet true believers think there'll be just one more case around the corner to bail him out...

Either that or they support his push to get electors to back him against the will of voters in their states. That's sorta like bribing the ref.
 
We are now going into week 4 and there are Congressional elections where they still have not counted all ballots.

How many extra weeks do Democratic election officials have to create fraudulent votes? 5, 6, 8 - however many it takes to declare victory?

They've already declared victory - two weeks ago, with the ballots they had then.

Nobody's out there creating more, not in the numbers required to cheat. BTW the number the Dems need to 'create' is zero, because they already have more.

But if Trumpies are worried about more ballots popping up as time goes on, why keep pushing for recounts? That just gives the deep state/Soros/party operatives and apparently Hugo Chavez more time to cook the results. I'm struggling with the logic of this.
 
Good point. Courts across those states have thrown out Trump's petty claims. Republican judges and Governors and Secretaries of State are shouring him down. Yet true believers think there'll be just one more case around the corner to bail him out...

Either that or they support his push to get electors to back him against the will of voters in their states. That's sorta like bribing the ref.

At this point it seems like people are either banking on the SC overturning the cases they've already lost or on some huge reveal that will show irrefutable evidence of massive voter fraud. The argument seems to be that an investigation like this takes a lot of time, and they're waiting to reveal it only when their case is airtight. My prediction is that they have nothing, and they're just dragging this out as long as possible for greater impact. As long as they claim they're still investigating and that the evidence exists, people will continue eating it up. I wouldn't be surprised if the investigation will be ongoing 2 years from now. Maybe from time to time they'll reveal a bit of their "evidence" to add some fuel to their conspiracy theory, but never anything concrete.
 
At this point it seems like people are either banking on the SC overturning the cases they've already lost or on some huge reveal that will show irrefutable evidence of massive voter fraud. The argument seems to be that an investigation like this takes a lot of time, and they're waiting to reveal it only when their case is airtight.

Sadly it's the latter - a dream of some big reveal that's always just around the corner. But like the 'investigation' into Obama's 'spying' and the 'electoral integrity commission' or whatever they called it. Nothing ever happens, it's quietly buried at the administrative or DOJ end, but the internet keeps buzzing about it as if it's an open case: Just you wait, one day it will all come out...
 
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We are now going into week 4 and there are Congressional elections where they still have not counted all ballots.

How many extra weeks do Democratic election officials have to create fraudulent votes? 5, 6, 8 - however many it takes to declare victory?

What makes you think only Democratic Election Officials are capable of creating fraudulent votes, not that any have done that in this election.
 
What makes you think only Democratic Election Officials are capable of creating fraudulent votes, not that any have done that in this election.

Ok, set that aside. How can anyone defend an election process where even on the small size of a Congressional election the votes can't be counted in 1, 2, 3 and now going into the 4th week?
 
Ok, set that aside. How can anyone defend an election process where even on the small size of a Congressional election the votes can't be counted in 1, 2, 3 and now going into the 4th week?

So because there are what 4 or 5 races being determined still out of 435 you think that the system is indefensible?

Based on what criteria?

Have you looked into the back story of each races that has yet to be declared so that you know WHY they haven't been completed?

January 3rd, 2021 is when the new Congress will convene barring any last minute legal date change by the outgoing Congress. But that doesn't mean every seat will need to be filled. Remember the earliest the Georgia Senate special election could be conducted is January 5th, and who knows how long Republican Election Officials will need to create the winning ballots so they keep control of the Senate. ;)
 
So because there are what 4 or 5 races being determined still out of 435 you think that the system is indefensible?

Based on what criteria?

Have you looked into the back story of each races that has yet to be declared so that you know WHY they haven't been completed?

January 3rd, 2021 is when the new Congress will convene barring any last minute legal date change by the outgoing Congress. But that doesn't mean every seat will need to be filled. Remember the earliest the Georgia Senate special election could be conducted is January 5th, and who knows how long Republican Election Officials will need to create the winning ballots so they keep control of the Senate. ;)

So you agree there is no reason for Trump to concede, correct? Biden doesn't even really need to take office on January 20th. :)
 
Did you miss the democrats saying for months the only way Trump could get elected was to cheat, to somehow steal the election? Did you miss Hillary Clinton telling Joe not to concede ever, no matter what? You just can't have it both ways and expect anyone to have faith in what you say.

He can expect grown adults to maintain some control of their own minds instead of presenting themselves as easy prey for those who would so easily manipulate them. All Trump's fan club is doing is desperately trying legimtize their inability to see simple truth. It's the same transparent deflection that always occurs when the conservative collective needs to deny who they are and pretend that the issue is the other side. The fact of the matter is, the only way for Trump to win is to try and cheat. This is based on years of documented cases where Republicans have been charged with fraud, racial gerrymandering, and voter suppression. This is based on trump's documented history for habitually lying and pushing great disrespect for American democracy. Trump is trying to cheat right now:

- For months, he planted the seeds of doubt into the minds of very stupid people. The same stupid people who believed for years that Obama was born in Africa, that tomato paste is a vegetable, and that sex rings exist under pizza parlors. Oh, and who can forget the QAnon trash.

- On election day, as he began to lose, he demanded that remaining ballots not be counted, declared that America is more corrupt than Russia, China, and North Korea, and that ballots were simply magically appearing.

- He has since gone on to sue state governments, with the desperation of hoping that one of "his" judges will simply declare him the winner. Thus far, they have all scoffed at his shameless attempt to use the courts to cheat and wreck American democracy. Despite the rallying cry of the very stupid, there remains absolutely no evidence worth a judges' time. Trump is relying on debunked conspiracy. Given how easy it is for him re-create truth and alter the narrative so that he doesn't have to take responsibility or face reality, he has no reason to think that the same stupid people that have been kissing his ass for four years wouldn't be there now.

So...I find it odd that you people like to think back to Clinton's remarks, especially given that she was right. Biden won. He should not concede to a baby who so clearly was always going to lose. And if he hadn't managed to do it yet, he is also once again proving everyday what today's American conservative is worth anymore. Treason and treachery to the bitter end. If you can't win, take it all down with you and call it righteous.
 
So you agree there is no reason for Trump to concede, correct? Biden doesn't even really need to take office on January 20th. :)

I agree to no such thing.

Actually you would be wrong. The presidency can't function properly without a president being seated, the House can function properly without 4 or 5 members being seated. In fact from what I understand there were 5 vacant seats in the House going into this election.

Amateurish attempt on your part to make an equivalency, failed as it was, it still gave me a chuckle. :ROFLMAO:
 
No the best response is to remind you we are in the midst of a pandemic that presents unprecedented challenges to being safely in confined spaces with dozens to hundreds of people.

We knew as a result of that this election was going to present counting difficulties that delayed results. That some folks want to use that because they don’t like how it’s turning out to make trouble says a lot about their priorities.
But the democrats fight tooth and claw to prevent honest elections and accurate counts, mailed everyone a ballot with no care as to if they were dead or alive.
And prior to the election fought and lied and impeached, and lied some more, and are still surprised the election system is considered junk by half the country.
I’m sorry half the country now believes fraud works. At least this time.
 
But the democrats fight tooth and claw to prevent honest elections and accurate counts, mailed everyone a ballot with no care as to if they were dead or alive.
And prior to the election fought and lied and impeached, and lied some more, and are still surprised the election system is considered junk by half the country.
I’m sorry half the country now believes fraud works. At least this time.

:ROFLMAO:
 
But the democrats fight tooth and claw to prevent honest elections and accurate counts, mailed everyone a ballot with no care as to if they were dead or alive.
And prior to the election fought and lied and impeached, and lied some more, and are still surprised the election system is considered junk by half the country.
I’m sorry half the country now believes fraud works. At least this time.

I don't know what country you think you live in, but I sure as hell don't even want to set foot in that sad, twisted, messed up partisan fantasy world you have constructed for yourself.

:ROFLMAO:
 
We are now going into week 4 and there are Congressional elections where they still have not counted all ballots.

How many extra weeks do Democratic election officials have to create fraudulent votes? 5, 6, 8 - however many it takes to declare victory?
The only thing unusual about the 2020 election is the number of fools that don't want us to have anymore elections because they are HUGE sore losers. This is America idiots, we practically invented elections. Go find an autocracy somewhere if you don't want elections.
 
I don't know what country you think you live in, but I sure as hell don't even want to set foot in that sad, twisted, messed up partisan fantasy world you have constructed for yourself.

:ROFLMAO:
Bitchy today, aren’t we?
 
I swear to GOD if I was as twisted up over any election as some folks are getting twisted up over Trump being the BIGGEST LOSER in this last election I would think seriously about finding that proverbial cave and disappearing for Biden's term of office. Go live off grid until I died. At least if I died I know I would still keep voting Blue! ;)
 
How can any sane, rational and politically well informed person not defend this election?

It is extremely defendable. One of the best defended elections ever, EVER! Nobody knew an election could be this defendable!
 
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