"How are you going to pay for it?"

[Dans La Lune]

Dems and Republicans agree to utterly rip off the American people; the corporate media is silent in asking, "How are you going to pay for it?"

(The question they (CNN, MSNBC, Fox News) ask Bernie Sanders, AOC, and any progressive when they propose any spending for the American people.)

WASHINGTON, Feb 16 (Reuters) - President Joe Biden is expected to ask Congress for a U.S. defense budget exceeding $770 billion for the next fiscal year as the Pentagon seeks to modernize the military, according to three sources familiar with the negotiations, eclipsing the record budget requests by former President Donald Trump.

Ongoing budget talks between Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and the White House's Office of Management and Budget (OMB) have coalesced around a proposed defense request of higher than $770 billion for the 2023 fiscal year starting Oct. 1, the sources said. Negotiations are ongoing within the administration and the final amount could change before the budget request is made in the coming months, the sources added.


Two of the sources said that about $773 billion was going to be available for the Department of Defense and other needs would go on top of that, potentially pushing a total above $800 billion.

EXCLUSIVE Biden to seek more than $770 billion in 2023 defense budget, sources say

President Joe Biden is expected to ask Congress for a U.S. defense budget exceeding $770 billion for the next fiscal year as the Pentagon seeks to modernize the military, according to three sources familiar with the negotiations, eclipsing the record budget requests by former President Donald Trump.

www.reuters.com

That's PER YEAR. The Build Back Better Plan was going to be 1.5 trillion over the span of 10 years.

 

[Surrealistik]

Dems and Republicans agree to utterly rip off the American people; the corporate media is silent in asking, "How are you going to pay for it?"

(The question they (CNN, MSNBC, Fox News) ask Bernie Sanders, AOC, and any progressive when they propose any spending for the American people.)

EXCLUSIVE Biden to seek more than $770 billion in 2023 defense budget, sources say

President Joe Biden is expected to ask Congress for a U.S. defense budget exceeding $770 billion for the next fiscal year as the Pentagon seeks to modernize the military, according to three sources familiar with the negotiations, eclipsing the record budget requests by former President Donald Trump.

www.reuters.com

That's PER YEAR. The Build Back Better Plan was going to be 1.5 trillion over the span of 10 years.

Yeah, the double standard is as unfortunate as it is expected. Manchin was clutching pearls about the cost of BBB until his knuckles were white and refused to support even the low ball end of infrastructure spending he said he was comfortable with earlier, but has zero problem doling out many times as much money to the military, with cost and fiscal responsibility being no object.

 

[SkyChief]

The easiest ways for government to pay for non-essential stuff is by (a) raising taxes and (b) Fed creates boatloads of money, and gov't borrows it (via Treasury Bonds).

Which is what they've happily been doing since 1971. There is no reason to believe this will change.

 

[Individual]

Guess we could just eliminate the military completely, distribute arms to each and every household and apply the 2nd amendment when needed.
But to answer the OP question "How are you going to pay for it?", we are not going to actually pay for much of what government spends, we are going to allow controlled inflation and government subsidies to keep the rich and the poor content along the path to achieving a democratic/progressive governed utopia.

 

[Bullseye]

Dems and Republicans agree to utterly rip off the American people; the corporate media is silent in asking, "How are you going to pay for it?"

(The question they (CNN, MSNBC, Fox News) ask Bernie Sanders, AOC, and any progressive when they propose any spending for the American people.)

EXCLUSIVE Biden to seek more than $770 billion in 2023 defense budget, sources say

President Joe Biden is expected to ask Congress for a U.S. defense budget exceeding $770 billion for the next fiscal year as the Pentagon seeks to modernize the military, according to three sources familiar with the negotiations, eclipsing the record budget requests by former President Donald Trump.

www.reuters.com

That's PER YEAR. The Build Back Better Plan was going to be 1.5 trillion over the span of 10 years.

Yeah, but defense spend does some good, BBB tried to throw money down the crapper.

 

[upsideguy]

Dems and Republicans agree to utterly rip off the American people; the corporate media is silent in asking, "How are you going to pay for it?"

(The question they (CNN, MSNBC, Fox News) ask Bernie Sanders, AOC, and any progressive when they propose any spending for the American people.)

EXCLUSIVE Biden to seek more than $770 billion in 2023 defense budget, sources say

President Joe Biden is expected to ask Congress for a U.S. defense budget exceeding $770 billion for the next fiscal year as the Pentagon seeks to modernize the military, according to three sources familiar with the negotiations, eclipsing the record budget requests by former President Donald Trump.

www.reuters.com

That's PER YEAR. The Build Back Better Plan was going to be 1.5 trillion over the span of 10 years.

This is not exactly like buying a boat. If you buy a $25,000 boat, you have to have $25,000 to pay for it; not so with government spending. Some (not all) of the pay for is actually inherent in the expenditure. Government spending is an economic stimulus, hence a fair degree of the pay for will come back in the form of taxes associated with the increased economic activity the stimulus creates (no tax increase required, but the revenue will happen for the increased economic activity).

Fundamentally, there is an investment element to this. Some part of the expenditures will not only pay for the expenditure, but will even be profitable (there is a multiplier effect). Some will return a decent percentage on the dollar spent. Some will require ways to pay it. Understanding how much the government will need to raise or borrow to truly pay for a program like BBB is all a matter of modelling it correctly. Short answer, if you spend $1.5T over 10 years, a large percentage of that spend will pay for itself, but some will need to be financed, but the number is not $1.5T.

Also keep in mind that a $1.5T over 10 years is $150B per year. On an overall budget of $4.5T per year (who knows what the current baseline really is right now), $150B is a almost a rounding error.

 

[tshade]

Dems and Republicans agree to utterly rip off the American people; the corporate media is silent in asking, "How are you going to pay for it?"

(The question they (CNN, MSNBC, Fox News) ask Bernie Sanders, AOC, and any progressive when they propose any spending for the American people.)

EXCLUSIVE Biden to seek more than $770 billion in 2023 defense budget, sources say

President Joe Biden is expected to ask Congress for a U.S. defense budget exceeding $770 billion for the next fiscal year as the Pentagon seeks to modernize the military, according to three sources familiar with the negotiations, eclipsing the record budget requests by former President Donald Trump.

www.reuters.com

That's PER YEAR. The Build Back Better Plan was going to be 1.5 trillion over the span of 10 years.

??? So what??
That same question has been asked for over a century, or more.............We are 30 trillion in debt. What's a few more????

 

[Lucky 1]

Dems and Republicans agree to utterly rip off the American people; the corporate media is silent in asking, "How are you going to pay for it?"

(The question they (CNN, MSNBC, Fox News) ask Bernie Sanders, AOC, and any progressive when they propose any spending for the American people.)

EXCLUSIVE Biden to seek more than $770 billion in 2023 defense budget, sources say

President Joe Biden is expected to ask Congress for a U.S. defense budget exceeding $770 billion for the next fiscal year as the Pentagon seeks to modernize the military, according to three sources familiar with the negotiations, eclipsing the record budget requests by former President Donald Trump.

www.reuters.com

That's PER YEAR. The Build Back Better Plan was going to be 1.5 trillion over the span of 10 years.

The "Build back bankrupt" plan is a disaster that ultimatly does far more harm then good and aims to make folks more dependent on goverment instead of less.

Putting money into our military in the face of an increasingly dangerous world is a nessesity

 

[Easton Kai]

There's always the brilliant AOC approach......just "print more money".

 

[RAMOSS]

There's always the brilliant AOC approach......just "print more money".

That is what the feds in 2020. That, and cut taxes to the ultra rich .. but only gave temporary tax cuts to everyone else.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Yeah, but defense spend does some good, BBB tried to throw money down the crapper.

Drivers Pay Nearly $2K Annually Because of San Diego's Deteriorating, Poorly Planned Roads: Study​

Drivers Pay Nearly $2K Annually Because of San Diego's Deteriorating, Poorly Planned Roads: Study

The San Diego region’s deteriorating and congested roads are costing drivers on average more than $1,900 a year, according to a new study from a national transportation research group.

www.nbcsandiego.com

 

[Dans La Lune]

Putting money into our military in the face of an increasingly dangerous world is a nessesity

Straight from a right-wing "small government" libertarian, who I would guess is a non-interventionist. The right-wing is complete tool of corporations. It's ****ing embarrassing.

 

[HangLow]

The "Build back bankrupt" plan is a disaster that ultimatly does far more harm then good and aims to make folks more dependent on goverment instead of less. Putting money into our military in the face of an increasingly dangerous world is a nessesity

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[Yes_Minister]

Yeah, but defense spend does some good, BBB tried to throw money down the crapper.

What good has it done in the last 20 years? The War on Terror, the Iraq War and the Afghanistan war? Hundreds of thousands of civilians killed, American soldiers put into meat grinders and for what, a power vacuum that ISIS took advantage of and some Halliburton executives getting a bigger bonus?

 

[code1211]

Dems and Republicans agree to utterly rip off the American people; the corporate media is silent in asking, "How are you going to pay for it?"

(The question they (CNN, MSNBC, Fox News) ask Bernie Sanders, AOC, and any progressive when they propose any spending for the American people.)

EXCLUSIVE Biden to seek more than $770 billion in 2023 defense budget, sources say

President Joe Biden is expected to ask Congress for a U.S. defense budget exceeding $770 billion for the next fiscal year as the Pentagon seeks to modernize the military, according to three sources familiar with the negotiations, eclipsing the record budget requests by former President Donald Trump.

www.reuters.com

That's PER YEAR. The Build Back Better Plan was going to be 1.5 trillion over the span of 10 years.

The lying thieves are lying and stealing.

Nothing new here.

I'm pleased that more seem to be noticing.

 

[Greenbeard]

Dems and Republicans agree to utterly rip off the American people; the corporate media is silent in asking, "How are you going to pay for it?"

(The question they (CNN, MSNBC, Fox News) ask Bernie Sanders, AOC, and any progressive when they propose any spending for the American people.)

EXCLUSIVE Biden to seek more than $770 billion in 2023 defense budget, sources say

President Joe Biden is expected to ask Congress for a U.S. defense budget exceeding $770 billion for the next fiscal year as the Pentagon seeks to modernize the military, according to three sources familiar with the negotiations, eclipsing the record budget requests by former President Donald Trump.

www.reuters.com

That's PER YEAR. The Build Back Better Plan was going to be 1.5 trillion over the span of 10 years.

There's your recipe for success.

1. Resurrect the Truman arguments for national health insurance as a national defense priority.
2. Then go a step further: create a national single-payer system administered by a new semi-autonomous agency housed within the DoD and funded as part of the defense budget, or drop the single-payer concept and instead expand the existing VHA system out into an American Health Service, whichever you prefer.
3. Wave flag, light sparkler.

 

[Bullseye]

What good has it done in the last 20 years? The War on Terror, the Iraq War and the Afghanistan war? Hundreds of thousands of civilians killed, American soldiers put into meat grinders and for what, a power vacuum that ISIS took advantage of and some Halliburton executives getting a bigger bonus?

It kept Canada safe.

 

[Yes_Minister]

It kept Canada safe.

You are being glib because you can't actually point to anything the military has done to justify its massive budget. Maybe if the military had less money politicians would stop using it for BS wars that kill hundreds of thousands of people for the benefit of some defense contractors.

Conservatives say that the giant military is necessary, but that is a purely dogmatic response, they can't point to anything that would justify this gigantic budget. Their small-government ideology never applies to the military-industrial complex, because they are massive hypocrites. Their ideal small government is doing nothing to help the poor in America, but spending billions to kill hundreds of thousands in some small far-off country, endless bombs raining down on endless villages killing endless civilians.

 

[Bullseye]

You are being glib because you can't actually point to anything the military has done to justify its massive budget. Maybe if the military had less money politicians would stop using it for BS wars that kill hundreds of thousands of people for the benefit of some defense contractors.

Conservatives say that the giant military is necessary, but that is a purely dogmatic response, they can't point to anything that would justify this gigantic budget. Their small-government ideology never applies to the military-industrial complex, because they are massive hypocrites. Their ideal small government is doing nothing to help the poor in America, but spending billions to kill hundreds of thousands in some small far-off country, endless bombs raining down on endless villages killing endless civilians.

LOL, I've dealt with anti-military folks like you before. Sitting in the easy chair, warm and dry and well fed and totally blind to the fact there are large groups of people out their that want to take that away. You have want you have because the military is there, doing their jobs.

 

[Bullseye]

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In his best time Reich was an idiot - he's not aging well.

 

[Yes_Minister]

LOL, I've dealt with anti-military folks like you before. Sitting in the easy chair, warm and dry and well fed and totally blind to the fact there are large groups of people out their that want to take that away. You have want you have because the military is there, doing their jobs.

Really, was Iraq or Vietnam going to conquer the US if the US didn't bomb them? Do you have evidence to support this insane notion?

I guess you love veterans so much that you can't wait to make more of them, by sending US soldiers into meat grinders and making more orphans in some poor developing country.

 

[Bullseye]

Really, was Iraq or Vietnam going to conquer the US if the US didn't bomb them? Do you have evidence to support this insane notion?

I guess you love veterans so much that you can't wait to make more of them, by sending US soldiers into meat grinders and making more orphans in some poor developing country.

Thanks for illustrating my points. Have a day.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Thanks for illustrating my points. Have a day.

What point, you keep on saying the 700 billion a year price tag for the military is worth it, but you have not pointed to anything the US military has done in the past 20 years that justifies this price tag, you presented vague notions, not hard facts. This seems like a dogmatic response because I have seen you shout slogans, not put any real thought into your answers.

 

[code1211]

There's your recipe for success.

1. Resurrect the Truman arguments for national health insurance as a national defense priority.
2. Then go a step further: create a national single-payer system administered by a new semi-autonomous agency housed within the DoD and funded as part of the defense budget, or drop the single-payer concept and instead expand the existing VHA system out into an American Health Service, whichever you prefer.
3. Wave flag, light sparkler.

If all levels of government were not populated by lying thieves, that might seem to be a good solution.

 

[Dans La Lune]

There's your recipe for success.

1. Resurrect the Truman arguments for national health insurance as a national defense priority.

The greatest national security threats are domestic terrorism and climate change. How does creating more weapons (e.g. giving virtually all tax payer money to defense contractors) address either of these issues, and not actually make them worse?