House votes to impeach Trump

[Rexedgar]

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve" - Isoroku Yamamoto



I suppose we'll see how pissed off, angry and motivated this makes Republican voters come Nov 3 2020.

Impeachment is just like the attack on Pearl Harbor. :screwy

A giant is not a minority of the electorate.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Mitch tainted the whole proceedings.

W/e happens in the Senate has to be seen in light of that behavior.
Only Trumpco customers will find it satisfying.

And Graham too.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve" - Isoroku Yamamoto
I suppose we'll see how pissed off, angry and motivated this makes Republican voters come Nov 3 2020.

I think that's already maxed.
Trumpco customers are already talking violence, coup, and civil war.
They'd have to get up out of their armchairs to go any further.

It's not like they'd be swayed by anything outside of themselves anyway.

So it's really moot wtf Trumpco customers think.

 

[Chomsky]

As expected, numbers have altered somewhat:

227 yeas, 3 nays, 1 Present, 2 not voting for the Democrats

0 yeas, 183 nays, and 14 not voting for the Republicans

1 yea vote from the sole independent

For a total of 228 yeas, 188 nays, 1 present, and 14 not voting.

Do we know why the Repbs had all those 'not voting'?

 

[Threegoofs]

Why in 2019 does a vote take so long? We should have the best electronic equipment to tally votes in a more timely manner, imo.

At its most basic, they need 15 minutes so they can get to the floor and record their vote if they don’t happen to be in the chamber at the time.

And Congress rules that you must be physically present in person for a vote.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

And Graham too.

and Graham

 

[Chomsky]

She's feckless. Couldn't even commit to supporting Putin's little bitch.

But no matter, we have impeached the Donald. Onto the acquittal in the Senate.

Yep. Dems got it done without one Repub vote. Good job! Now on to the Senate, and make them work for that acquittal!

 

[MTAtech]

Why in 2019 does a vote take so long? We should have the best electronic equipment to tally votes in a more timely manner, imo.

I think it's run by AT&T.

 

[Chomsky]

Yeah, it's an odd strategy considering the more or less even split on impeachment amongst Americans. Their base will support this, but how swing voters feel about it will be interesting to see.

That's the $64K Question!

 

[Cardinal]

Well, now Trump can claim a historical accomplishment that Obama couldn't.

 

[Chomsky]

They're already a given, it's the swing voters which will be the real test. How motivated Democratic voters are is another factor; the ones who normally stay home might decide otherwise.

I think the 2018 41 House seats flipping speaks to Dem enthusiasm.

 

[MTAtech]

Yeah, it's an odd strategy considering the more or less even split on impeachment amongst Americans. Their base will support this, but how swing voters feel about it will be interesting to see.

Trump has a strong base, of whom he is always stroking. He's not popular among independents.

The results showed that 62 percent of independents—those voters who do not favor either major party—disapproved of how Trump is handling his job as president. This figure is unchanged from the Ipsos survey carried out on November 13.

However, when asked about the levels of discontent with Trump, the number of independents who "strongly disapprove" of Trump actually went down—from 48 percent to 38 percent.
link

By party, the current poll shows 83 percent of Democrats and 50 percent of independents supporting the president's impeachment and removal.

 

[HenryChinaski]

Well, now Trump can claim a historical accomplishment that Obama couldn't.

Make impeachment great again. It’s going to be a big beautiful impeachment! and Mexico is going to pay for it.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

It appears for now at least the threshold of 216 necessary votes has been achieved for Article II. This process is taking a bit longer since some members are voting on cards which have to he hand turned in and counting, but thus far it seems the same:

3 Democrat Nays, 9 not voting,

0 Republican Nays, 31 not voting

That is ridiculous. If Republicans are decided they want to vote against impeachment, they have an obligation to do so.

 

[Cardinal]

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve" - Isoroku Yamamoto



I suppose we'll see how pissed off, angry and motivated this makes Republican voters come Nov 3 2020.

Republican voters are already 100% motivated. They'd have to clone themselves to make their votes matter more than they already do.

 

[Cardinal]

What surprised me was how much time they spent debating. The House Rules Committee gave them a 6-hour deadline, equally divided between the parties.

I tuned in and out. It was insufferable.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Republican voters are already 100% motivated. They'd have to clone themselves to make their votes matter more than they already do.

Or outlaw Democrats from the electoral process altogether.

 

[Chomsky]

Well, now Trump can claim a historical accomplishment that Obama couldn't.

Was it "the greatest impeachment ever"?

But yeah, it's really no laughing matter. It's a very sad day, although democracy is working in the House at least.

I saw your brief exchange concerning polling, and wonder what went down with those Dem's in 2016 Trump districts? Pelosi could have let them go and still had the majority. So, I'm wondering if the Trump district Dems staying on might speak to what they are seeing in their districts? They're the ones in their districts and town halls, and I can't imagine them committing political suicide. So, they must feel pretty good about their districts.

 

[MTAtech]

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve" - Isoroku Yamamoto



I suppose we'll see how pissed off, angry and motivated this makes Republican voters come Nov 3 2020.

His base are already energized. Fortunately, they are a minority. Many traditional Republicans have abandoned the party. Examples are George Will and Rep. Justin Amash. It's no longer the Republican Party. It's the Trump Party. Democrats and Independents outnumber this group and a Senate acquittal will energize THIS group.

 

[Cardinal]

Or outlaw Democrats from the electoral process altogether.

Yeah, they've pretty much got that covered in North Carolina, Wisconsin, Georgia, Florida and Ohio.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Trump has a strong base, of whom he is always stroking. He's not popular among independents.

By party, the current poll shows 83 percent of Democrats and 50 percent of independents supporting the president's impeachment and removal.

Yep. I'm just looking at the long game and how relevant impeachment will be come election time. What's different this election is the hyper partisanship might draw out people who otherwise wouldn't have been inclined to vote because they assumed a certain outcome. This time around they might very well show up.

 

[Jonsa]

An historic moment and an indelible stain on Trump's legacy.

And the irony that he did it to himself while in complete denial of any wrongdoing.

A win for the constitution. Lets see if those republicans senators who are traditional conservatives find their spine.

Its only going to get more intense from here.

 

[Cardinal]

Was it "the greatest impeachment ever"?

But yeah, it's really no laughing matter. It's a very sad day, although democracy is working in the House at least.

I saw your brief exchange concerning polling, and wonder what went down with those Dem's in 2016 Trump districts? Pelosi could have let them go and still had the majority. So, I'm wondering if the Trump district Dems staying on might speak to what they are seeing in their districts? They're the ones in their districts and town halls, and I can't imagine them committing political suicide. So, they must feel pretty good about their districts.

I've seen some of those Democrats claim that they're going to lose the next election but are voting to impeach regardless. I can't imagine they're all safe.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Yeah, they've pretty much got that covered in North Carolina, Wisconsin, Georgia, Florida and Ohio.

Oh I meant that they would throw out all democratic votes, the very act of being a Democratic voter makes someone illegitimate in the eyes of these republicans

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Was it "the greatest impeachment ever"?

But yeah, it's really no laughing matter. It's a very sad day, although democracy is working in the House at least.

I saw your brief exchange concerning polling, and wonder what went down with those Dem's in 2016 Trump districts? Pelosi could have let them go and still had the majority. So, I'm wondering if the Trump district Dems staying on might speak to what they are seeing in their districts? They're the ones in their districts and town halls, and I can't imagine them committing political suicide. So, they must feel pretty good about their districts.

Or maybe this is a matter where Congressional representatives have to choose to uphold their constitutional oath, regardless of the political costs.