House votes to expand gun background checks

[Antiwar]

I am in favor of everyone being armed.

Everyone.

Are you in favor of gun welfare? How about public guns, like fire extinguishers? Break glass if you need to shoot someone.

 

[TurtleDude]

Correction: the word is AUTHORIZES.

So now you are talking about the states, not federal government. Got it - you want each state to pass a gun law instead of standardize gun rights federally. That is not going to work.

this is really confused . there is a federal uniform right and it applies to the federal government. Different states have different laws. You seem either confused with that or you don't understand that each state has the power to pass laws as long as those laws don't violate the incorporation of the bill of rights or their own constitution

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

BAN. THEM. ALL.
(crime will fall)

 

[TurtleDude]

It fixes a giant loophole that allows felons to buy guns legally.

This isn’t real hard, and it should be even less hard if you actually had a legal background.

there is no loophole that allows felons to buy a gun legally. Why do you lie about this. you seem unable to understand that because YOU CAN DO SOMETHING /= legal

 

[TurtleDude]

BAN. THEM. ALL.
(crime will fall)

that's really stupid and unconstitutional. I'd rather make gun banning a grounds for being removed from political office

 

[prometeus]

what arms further and support the underlying natural right of self defense.

I do not believe that self defense is or should be a factor in the simple right to "bear arms" as there are countless people who are "sports shooters" and wouldn't even know how to defend themselves with a "gun". The "limitation" to only certain "arms", I believe, is predicated on not affecting, actually or potentially, anyone else by one having and using your arms. Certainly a nuke can not be used without such negative effect.

 

[Antiwar]

I couldn't care less. popularity does not make something RIGHT.

You got that right. So how do we run things? We need ethics in government. Now, we have no ethics in government.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

that's really stupid and unconstitutional. I'd rather make gun banning a grounds for being removed from political office

Noooooooo, nah, I dont care for that approach.

 

[TurtleDude]

WTF?

You just said how you can get OxyContin without a prescription. And yes, you can, but it’s illegal.

It’s enforced the same way. And if the great tragedy is that you have to go to a gun dealer to broker the sale for a small commission, I trust that the seller can handle that personal trauma.

you often pretend that hassling gun owners "just a little bit" justifies passing a law that won't do any good (other than hassling gun owners-which appears to be what you see as "the good")

 

[Antiwar]

that's really stupid and unconstitutional. I'd rather make gun banning a grounds for being removed from political office

Are you a SC Justice?

 

[TurtleDude]

Are you a SC Justice?

do you have a law license?

 

[TurtleDude]

Noooooooo, nah, I dont care for that approach.

and I don't care for people who want to eliminate the rights of over 100 million people because they pretend it will decrease crime

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

you often pretend that hassling gun owners "just a little bit" justifies passing a law that won't do any good (other than hassling gun owners-which appears to be what you see as "the good")

>Universal background check laws were associated with a 14.9% reduction in overall homicides, according to a 2019 study by medical researchers including Michael Siegel of the Boston University School of Public Health and David Hemenway of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health published by the Journal of General ...<

Universal background check - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Antiwar]

you often pretend that hassling gun owners "just a little bit" justifies passing a law that won't do any good (other than hassling gun owners-which appears to be what you see as "the good")

Do you feel as hassled when you stop at traffic signals?

 

[Antiwar]

and I don't care for people who want to eliminate the rights of over 100 million people because they pretend it will decrease crime

If there were zero guns would there be less gun violence?

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

and I don't care for people who want to eliminate the rights of over 100 million people because they pretend it will decrease crime

"pretend it will decrease crime"

>>Universal background check laws were associated with a 14.9% reduction in overall homicides, according to a 2019 study by medical researchers including Michael Siegel of the Boston University School of Public Health and David Hemenway of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health published by the Journal of General ...<<

Universal background check - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I dont really care for the train of thought of those who pretend free and easy access to firearms makes us "safe". This is not a logical conclusion based on existing evidence.

 

[Threegoofs]

there is no loophole that allows felons to buy a gun legally. Why do you lie about this. you seem unable to understand that because YOU CAN DO SOMETHING /= legal

Well, they are able to buy guns with no issues at purchase, that’s like letting people go to the pharmacy and tell the pharmacist that they have a prescription, but they don’t have it on them.

 

[prometeus]

how do you enforce a private sale background check? especially if the owner bought the weapon he is selling before such a stupid law is passed?

Not sure at this point, but that does not mean that at least the possibility should not be explored.

 

[Antiwar]

do you have a law license?

Irrelevant! Case dismissed!

 

[TurtleDude]

Not sure at this point, but that does not mean that at least the possibility should not be explored.

why? its a waste of time and doesn't do any good. do you support doing SOMETHING so you can Claim you DID SOMETHING>

btw where does the federal government get the power to demand two citizens-who are BANNED BY FEDERAL LAW from engaging in INTERSTATE transactions, conduct background checks?

 

[calamity]

Okay.

But right now they are 80% FOR this measure.

I can see why. It is far to easy to transfer a gun from one person to another.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

This is really confused .There is a federal uniform right and it applies to the federal government. Different states have different laws. You seem either confused with that or you don't understand that each state has the power to pass laws as long as those laws don't violate the incorporation of the bill of rights or their own constitution.

All I am doing is pointing out the flaws in your comments. I guess that strategy went over your head.

 

[TurtleDude]

Irrelevant! Case dismissed!

so you are just trying to

"pretend it will decrease crime"

>>Universal background check laws were associated with a 14.9% reduction in overall homicides, according to a 2019 study by medical researchers including Michael Siegel of the Boston University School of Public Health and David Hemenway of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health published by the Journal of General ...<<

Universal background check - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I dont really care for the train of thought of those who pretend free and easy access to firearms makes us "safe". This is not a logical conclusion based on existing evidence.

Hemenway is a well known paid propagandist for the anti gun movement. He isn't even a real doctor. Antiwar-if you don't have a legal education, you really are in no position to discuss constitutional powers of the government

 

[calamity]

there is no loophole that allows felons to buy a gun legally. Why do you lie about this. you seem unable to understand that because YOU CAN DO SOMETHING /= legal

Don't ask don't tell. I can give a gun to anyone without even bothering to find out who, what, where, or why. THat is a hell of a loophole.

 

[TurtleDude]

All I am doing is pointing out the flaws in your comments. I guess that strategy went over your head.

the only flaws are in your argument, You keep claiming that infringements are allowed, yet you are unable to explain where that power comes from