House votes to defund Planned Parenthood

[Jerry]

Then how about ceasing the word games and call thing what they are defined as. On one side we have pro-lifers. Not anti-choicers. On the other, we have pro-choicers... not pro-abortionists. The fetus is a homo sapien. It is not a parasite. An abortion is an abortion. It is not murder. Veering from any of these definitions indicates that all you are doing is appealing to emotion. If you cannot debate the topic without appealing to emotion, perhaps you do no know enough about the topic to debate it.

For the sake of clarity I would like to add that a miscarriage is not an abortion. Also, there are those of us who are just anti-abortion and do not subscribe the more global platform of a pro-life world view.

 

[Gladiator]

It's bad enough that you feel you need to play silly word games. Personally, I think the wholesale slaughter of 1.5mil people a year is worse....

What about the 22,000 real children who died from malnutrition last night?

Today, over 22,000 children died around the world ? Global Issues


If there is less family planning, how fast should the world population rise to 50 Billion? How many children will be dying each day of malnutrition at 50 Billion?


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[CaptainCourtesy]

For the sake of clarity I would like to add that a miscarriage is not an abortion. Also, there are those of us who are just anti-abortion and do not subscribe the more global platform of a pro-life world view.

I agree on both points. A miscarriage is not an abortion. And if you are straight anti-abortion, identify that... but no one else gets to call someone that unless that individual has identified themself with that title already.

 

[OKgrannie]

For the sake of clarity I would like to add that a miscarriage is not an abortion. Also, there are those of us who are just anti-abortion and do not subscribe the more global platform of a pro-life world view.

Actually, it is.

Spontaneous abortion definition - Medical Dictionary definitions of popular medical terms easily defined on MedTerms

Spontaneous abortion: A miscarriage

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Actually, it is.

Spontaneous abortion definition - Medical Dictionary definitions of popular medical terms easily defined on MedTerms

Spontaneous abortion: A miscarriage

But using it in this context is an appeal to emotion. Same with the term "pro-abortionist". Doesn't matter what the definition is. It's used to score points by eliciting an emotional response... which is a logical fallacy.

 

[OKgrannie]

But using it in this context is an appeal to emotion. Same with the term "pro-abortionist". Doesn't matter what the definition is. It's used to score points by eliciting an emotional response... which is a logical fallacy.

I'm not aware of posters referring to miscarriage as abortions for any purpose. Certainly one should be specific and SAY "spontaneous abortion" if that is what is meant. Specificity clarifies communication. The best example of confusion is referring to the fetus as a "baby", and the least one can do is say "unborn baby" if one cannot bring himself to say "fetus." Just to avoid confusion.

 

[Paschendale]

Why exactly do we keep making it harder and harder for teenagers to avoid unwanted pregnancies? Abstinence only education, laws making it harder to buy contraceptives, attacks on organizations like Planned Parenthood that provide information to teenagers about STDs and pregnancy... If we really want to stop abortions (big if), how about helping teenagers control their sexuality instead of making it so hard for them? Why is the ability to plan parenthood such a terrible thing?

 

[TheBook]

Abstinence only education always makes me laugh. And then I cry because children are being taught that (quoting a congressional staff analysis of abstinence only sex ed) "abortion leads to sterility and suicide, that half the gay male teenagers in the United States have tested positive for the AIDS virus, and that touching a person's genitals can result in pregnancy."

Oh, man. The list goes on:

• A 43-day-old fetus is a "thinking person."

• HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, can be spread via sweat and tears.

• Condoms fail to prevent HIV transmission as often as 31 percent of the time in heterosexual intercourse.

Not to mention, most of the people I know who were exposed to abstinence only education (in private schools mostly, although I know a few from out of state) lead pretty unsafe sexual lives.

Oh wow, one last bit:
Some course materials present as scientific fact notions about a man's need for "admiration" and "sexual fulfillment" compared with a woman's need for "financial support." One book in the "Choosing Best" series tells the story of a knight who married a village maiden instead of the princess because the princess offered so many tips on slaying the local dragon. "Moral of the story," notes the popular text: "Occasional suggestions and assistance may be alright, but too much of it will lessen a man's confidence or even turn him away from his princess."

And we're spending $168 Million a year on this stuff but they want to cut the funding for a place that helps test for STDs and provides safe effective forms of birth control.

Something tells me if PP shuts down, abortion rates will climb.

 

[ptif219]

Is this an amendment to the bill that also removes funding for abortions in the case of certain types of rape by redefining rape?

Also, after reading the article, I see this is money spent for pelvic exams, breast exams, safer-sex counseling and basic infertility counseling, as abortions (with the exception of cases of "forced rape") cannot be funded by taxpayer dollars. Why vote to defund essential women's health care for those who can't afford it?

No need for it when Obama is giving us such a great healthcare program |207|


get The Smilies @ https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/14455

 

[ptif219]

What about the 22,000 real children who died from malnutrition last night?

Today, over 22,000 children died around the world ? Global Issues


If there is less family planning, how fast should the world population rise to 50 Billion? How many children will be dying each day of malnutrition at 50 Billion?


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Yet they are putting wind turbines on farm land so we can grow less food. We use corn for fuel instead of food. I see lots of issues that cause the food shortage

 

[Gladiator]

Yet they are putting wind turbines on farm land so we can grow less food. We use corn for fuel instead of food. I see lots of issues that cause the food shortage

The problem is world morals. Parents do not have time to give proper attention to their unplanned and unwanted children; nor are there sufficient community resources.

There is enough food to eat, it is just that the multi-national corporations involved with food distribution do not like having their executives kidnapped. So food distributiion in lawless areas of the world is inadequate, because the Multi-national corporations don't want to be bothered with difficult challenges.

Certainly the over-population helps multi-national corporations with keeping the labor costs down. In addition to cheap labor, the Multi-nationals need a sufficiently thoughtful community that realizes that kidnapping multi-national Corporation executives is counter-productive for the employment opportunities for their countrymen.

The Multi-national corpoations are only focussed on cheaper labor, from an increasing the population, and fail to recognize the need for thoughtful morals, so they can conduct business.


Which Multinational corporations are opposing the defunding of Planned parenthood?




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[mac]

What about the 22,000 real children who died from malnutrition last night?

Today, over 22,000 children died around the world ? Global Issues


If there is less family planning, how fast should the world population rise to 50 Billion? How many children will be dying each day of malnutrition at 50 Billion?


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How many of those were in the United States or any other developed nation? Slaughtering the innocent is not the answer, raiseing that standards in underdeveloped nations is.

 

[liblady]

What the heck are you bitching about - you kill for a living, too. :shrug: Just like my husband does. Where's that defunding measure?
(^ that's all that I was directing to you from this post)


If it wasn't for planned parenthood's more affordable birth control pills and so on I'd have a lot more than 4 kids right now - and NO I never had an abortion. I was pregnant 4 times and have 4 children - an thankfully no more than that.

How this country can claim to support women's rights and then turn around and be against them is a bunch of bull****. What - do rights CHANGE somehow? When does that ever make sense?

I don't support planned parenthood's abortion plans, though - I don't believe they should offer it. Would people be bothered by them if they ended the abortion-option being offered through their system?

If they agreed not to encourage, support or connect patients with abortions and only offered birth-control would everyone who hates them (just for now) support them again?

I have a sense that from some people the answer is 'no' - I've met some pretty stupid ****ing people and there are a lot who wholeheartedly oppose ANY kind of birth control. . . and if they can't end ALL birth control they'll slowly pick away at it (and no - by this statement I'm not referring to abortion as birth control . . .I'm referring to various BC pills, condoms, diaphragms and so on). In this area our country has some seriously stupid ****in concepts of what's an appropriate reproductive right - things such as the diaphragm use to be illegal . . . what sense is that?

/rant off.

auntie...do you want abortion, a legal procedure, to be priced so high only wealthy women can afford them?

 

[mac]

auntie...do you want abortion, a legal procedure, to be priced so high only wealthy women can afford them?

Of course, a poor woman dieing from a botched illegal abortion is a 2fer.

 

[Gladiator]

How many of those were in the United States or any other developed nation? Slaughtering the innocent is not the answer, raiseing that standards in underdeveloped nations is.

Malnutirion deaths by country:

MALNUTRITION DEATH RATE BY COUNTRY



How long will it take to prevent deaths due to malnutrion? How much will it cost? Who will pay for it? What are the trends of malnutiron deaths over the last few decades?

Increasing the World population such as by decreasing the availability of Familhy Planning options projects out to increase deaths from malnutrion, not dimisish.


Malnutrition in the world and children






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[mac]

Malnutirion deaths by country:

MALNUTRITION DEATH RATE BY COUNTRY



How long will it take to prevent deaths due to malnutrion? How much will it cost? Who will pay for it? What are the trends of malnutiron deaths over the last few decades?

Increasing the World population such as by decreasing the availability of Familhy Planning options projects out to increase deaths from malnutrion, not dimisish.


Malnutrition in the world and children






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This shows exactly what I told you. Investment in infrastructure in developing nations, and ending warfare in those nations is where it's at.

 

[Gladiator]

This shows exactly what I told you. Investment in infrastructure in developing nations, and ending warfare in those nations is where it's at.

Kidnapping Executives a growning industry

http://didyouknow.org/kidnappings/


"In many of the world’s leading danger zones -- Mexico, Ecuador, Venezuela, Brazil and Colombia -- the kidnapping of North American executives for ransom has long been a growth industry. Today, as the age of corporate globalization collides with international terrorism, U.S. companies are expanding their risks as rapidly as they broaden their reach.

In Colombia, where more than 3,000 kidnappings occur each year and $250 million in ransom payments are collected in a typical year, the kidnapping of Americans and other foreigners, along with well-to-do locals, has become a way of life for rebel armies and gangs of criminals.

Recent events in the Middle East, from the war in Afghanistan to growing Israeli-Palestinian violence, make that part of the world a danger zone ...."

Risk Management for Employees Traveling Abroad | Parker, Smith & Feek


Kidnapping Statistics in Colombia & Latin America.

"The current top countries for kidnappings per capita are Colombia, Mexico, Philippines, Ecuador and Venezuela. However, despite the geographical location, kidnapping threats against executives is a reality today. It's necessary to have a picture of the current nature and extent of the problem, trends and likely developments internationally in order for executives to develop and update an effective preventive strategy.

The following are the most dangerous regions for executive kidnappings with a high percentage of criminal groups, kidnapping gangs and armed insurgent groups. In many of these countries, the kidnap industry thrives due to lack of law and order and corrupt, often complicit, police."


Executive Protection - Hotspots













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[Gladiator]

This shows exactly what I told you. Investment in infrastructure in developing nations, and ending warfare in those nations is where it's at.

Like building more prisons for unplanned and unwanted children, growing up to adult kidnappers?


Kidnapping Executives a growning industry

http://didyouknow.org/kidnappings/


"In many of the world’s leading danger zones -- Mexico, Ecuador, Venezuela, Brazil and Colombia -- the kidnapping of North American executives for ransom has long been a growth industry. Today, as the age of corporate globalization collides with international terrorism, U.S. companies are expanding their risks as rapidly as they broaden their reach.

In Colombia, where more than 3,000 kidnappings occur each year and $250 million in ransom payments are collected in a typical year, the kidnapping of Americans and other foreigners, along with well-to-do locals, has become a way of life for rebel armies and gangs of criminals.

Recent events in the Middle East, from the war in Afghanistan to growing Israeli-Palestinian violence, make that part of the world a danger zone ...."

Risk Management for Employees Traveling Abroad | Parker, Smith & Feek


Kidnapping Statistics in Colombia & Latin America.

"The current top countries for kidnappings per capita are Colombia, Mexico, Philippines, Ecuador and Venezuela. However, despite the geographical location, kidnapping threats against executives is a reality today. It's necessary to have a picture of the current nature and extent of the problem, trends and likely developments internationally in order for executives to develop and update an effective preventive strategy.

The following are the most dangerous regions for executive kidnappings with a high percentage of criminal groups, kidnapping gangs and armed insurgent groups. In many of these countries, the kidnap industry thrives due to lack of law and order and corrupt, often complicit, police."


Executive Protection - Hotspots













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[Henrin]

Gladiator, is meant to describe the ends of the constitution, justice, domestic tranquility, common defense, and liberty, It is meant to enlarge the dominion of government beyond the enumeration itself, but not to give power.

What the supreme court said on it years later is not the argument here, what the argument is what the clause was actually meant for and what it was intended to be. What you do by mentioning supreme court cases is bring up an entirely different topic that has little to do with the other.

 

[mac]

Like building more prisons for unplanned and unwanted children, growing up to adult kidnappers?


Kidnapping Executives a growning industry

http://didyouknow.org/kidnappings/


"In many of the world’s leading danger zones -- Mexico, Ecuador, Venezuela, Brazil and Colombia -- the kidnapping of North American executives for ransom has long been a growth industry. Today, as the age of corporate globalization collides with international terrorism, U.S. companies are expanding their risks as rapidly as they broaden their reach.

In Colombia, where more than 3,000 kidnappings occur each year and $250 million in ransom payments are collected in a typical year, the kidnapping of Americans and other foreigners, along with well-to-do locals, has become a way of life for rebel armies and gangs of criminals.

Recent events in the Middle East, from the war in Afghanistan to growing Israeli-Palestinian violence, make that part of the world a danger zone ...."

Risk Management for Employees Traveling Abroad | Parker, Smith & Feek


Kidnapping Statistics in Colombia & Latin America.

"The current top countries for kidnappings per capita are Colombia, Mexico, Philippines, Ecuador and Venezuela. However, despite the geographical location, kidnapping threats against executives is a reality today. It's necessary to have a picture of the current nature and extent of the problem, trends and likely developments internationally in order for executives to develop and update an effective preventive strategy.

The following are the most dangerous regions for executive kidnappings with a high percentage of criminal groups, kidnapping gangs and armed insurgent groups. In many of these countries, the kidnap industry thrives due to lack of law and order and corrupt, often complicit, police."


Executive Protection - Hotspots













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That's just lame, Dude.

 

[ptif219]

The problem is world morals. Parents do not have time to give proper attention to their unplanned and unwanted children; nor are there sufficient community resources.

There is enough food to eat, it is just that the multi-national corporations involved with food distribution do not like having their executives kidnapped. So food distributiion in lawless areas of the world is inadequate, because the Multi-national corporations don't want to be bothered with difficult challenges.

Certainly the over-population helps multi-national corporations with keeping the labor costs down. In addition to cheap labor, the Multi-nationals need a sufficiently thoughtful community that realizes that kidnapping multi-national Corporation executives is counter-productive for the employment opportunities for their countrymen.

The Multi-national corpoations are only focussed on cheaper labor, from an increasing the population, and fail to recognize the need for thoughtful morals, so they can conduct business.


Which Multinational corporations are opposing the defunding of Planned parenthood?




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According to the UN there is a global food shortage

 

[Gladiator]

According to the UN there is a global food shortage

There are vaious ways to evaluate the possibility of a food shortage.

The methods used by the UN may lead to the conclusion that there is a food shortage.

I suggest that a food shortage, for 2011, is disproved by the relatively low cost of meat.


The amont of arable land, as compared with land suitable for grazing only, Pasture Land, is not maximized for food cultivation. Curently, too much arable land is used as pasture land, for there to be an actual food shortage.


If it could be shown that the food prodution from arable land was at maximimum capacity, I would agree that there was a food shortage. If meat were scarce, and priced at $1000 per pound, then I might consider the possibiity of a food shortage.

Agricultural land - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

WORLDCLOCKS: World Population and Productive Land Clock in JavaScript

Global Land Resources & Population Supporting Capacity | NRCS Soils

Carrying capacity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


"Here's a simple idea you may have heard for improving food security: Eat less meat. The logic goes like this. People in the developed world eat a huge amount of animal protein. And consumption of meat, eggs, and milk is already growing globally as people in poorer nations get richer and shift their diets. That's a problem because animals are eating a growing share of the world's grain harvests—and already directly or indirectly utilize up to 80% of the world's agricultural land. Yet they supply just 15% of all calories. So, the argument goes, if we just ate less meat, we could free up a lot of plants to feed billions of hungry people and gain a lot of good farmland. Some food-security researchers, however, are skeptical. Although cutting back on meat has many potential benefits, they say the complexities of global markets and human food traditions could also produce some counterintuitive—and possibly counterproductive—"

Could Less Meat Mean More Food?


At Movies in Cambodia, instead of Popcorn, the popular delicacy is fried crickets.

http://dels.nas.edu/resources/static-assets/banr/AnimalProductionMaterials/LessMeat.pdf


Put a sin tax on meat, and there will be plenty of food for everyone. The problem is distribution in areas of poor parenting. Multinationals and other businesses choose not to go into lawless areas of unplanned and unwanted children. Loving families with treasured children are the answer, with the help of expanded, all option, family planning.





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[ptif219]

There are vaious ways to evaluate the possibility of a food shortage.

The methods used by the UN may lead to the conclusion that there is a food shortage.

I suggest that a food shortage, for 2011, is disproved by the relatively low cost of meat.


The amont of arable land, as compared with land suitable for grazing only, Pasture Land, is not maximized for food cultivation. Curently, too much arable land is used as pasture land, for there to be an actual food shortage.


If it could be shown that the food prodution from arable land was at maximimum capacity, I would agree that there was a food shortage. If meat were scarce, and priced at $1000 per pound, then I might consider the possibiity of a food shortage.

Agricultural land - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

WORLDCLOCKS: World Population and Productive Land Clock in JavaScript

Global Land Resources & Population Supporting Capacity | NRCS Soils

Carrying capacity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


"Here's a simple idea you may have heard for improving food security: Eat less meat. The logic goes like this. People in the developed world eat a huge amount of animal protein. And consumption of meat, eggs, and milk is already growing globally as people in poorer nations get richer and shift their diets. That's a problem because animals are eating a growing share of the world's grain harvests—and already directly or indirectly utilize up to 80% of the world's agricultural land. Yet they supply just 15% of all calories. So, the argument goes, if we just ate less meat, we could free up a lot of plants to feed billions of hungry people and gain a lot of good farmland. Some food-security researchers, however, are skeptical. Although cutting back on meat has many potential benefits, they say the complexities of global markets and human food traditions could also produce some counterintuitive—and possibly counterproductive—"

Could Less Meat Mean More Food?


At Movies in Cambodia, instead of Popcorn, the popular delicacy is fried crickets.

http://dels.nas.edu/resources/static-assets/banr/AnimalProductionMaterials/LessMeat.pdf


Put a sin tax on meat, and there will be plenty of food for everyone. The problem is distribution in areas of poor parenting. Multinationals and other businesses choose not to go into lawless areas of unplanned and unwanted children. Loving families with treasured children are the answer, with the help of expanded, all option, family planning.





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Low cost of meat? What world do you live in? So now you want us all to be vegatarian? You show you have no credibility or logic

 

[Gladiator]

Low cost of meat? What world do you live in? So now you want us all to be vegatarian? You show you have no credibility or logic

The problem with logic is that world demand for meat is increasing, yet more people are voting Anti-Family Planning. If people wish to continue to use a 80% of the grain grown in the world to feed livestock, for meat, then they should support politcians who see the true cost savings, in spending money on family planning.

Deaths from malnutrition result from the problem of food distribution in areas of poor parenting. Multinationals and other businesses choose not to go into lawless areas of unplanned and unwanted children. Loving families with treasured children are a key part ofthe answer to World hunger, with the help of expanded, all option, family planning.





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[ptif219]

The problem with logic is that world demand for meat is increasing, yet more people are voting Anti-Family Planning. If people wish to continue to use a 80% of the grain grown in the world to feed livestock, for meat, then they should support politcians who see the true cost savings, in spending money on family planning.

Deaths from malnutrition result from the problem of food distribution in areas of poor parenting. Multinationals and other businesses choose not to go into lawless areas of unplanned and unwanted children. Loving families with treasured children are a key part ofthe answer to World hunger, with the help of expanded, all option, family planning.





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Yet you ignore the crops grown for ethanol and the land be taken away from building windmills