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Repubs get their negotiation as soon as the Russian Roulette stops.
Even for Repub supporters, Repubs have this Nation's stomachs in knots.
You hire essential personnel like security guards and you prevent people from defacing it or going inside. Some of us still value our national treasures. You would have us tear them down and put up statues of Ted Cruz?
Those people built their homes on federal land and as part of their lease requirements, must have a second home.*cough* That memorial is privately funded. They just wired it shut because it's on Federal Land. You can stop with the lame we needed security guards nonsense.
Obama is also booting old people out of their houses. Typical thug trying to maximize pain with "shutdown theatre" just like the sequester jester. On cue his Obots are out in force spewing his talking points with blank staring eyes.
Obama's Park Service kicks owners out of private Lake Mead homes over shutdown - Spokane Conservative | Examiner.com
And this is the guy who is going to control and ration our HC?
What could possibly go wrong?
We have to stop phrasing this in their terms. They have the negotiations on Obamacare. It has happened 40 times and they have had 40 losing votes on it. They have run a presidential campaign on it and lost. The argument is done. They lost the negotiations because people wanted it. Now we do it. Do not let them redirect the argument into different terminology because they want to make it sound better. We are funding the measures that have been passed by our legislature and signed into law by the executive. They have every chance to vote on removing Obamacare again and again. They have a chance right now to vote on getting rid of Obamacare, but they can't. There is no negotiations on this because there is nothing to negotiate.
There is only one thing that needs to be corrected, and that is to have a budget vote able to be proposed by anyone in the house. It should not rely on the speaker's sole discretion to bring it to the floor. Really, they need to start suggesting that fix because I am not blaming the dems for this shutdown, but i will blame them for the next one if they do not remove that power from the speaker.
Those people built their homes on federal land and as part of their lease requirements, must have a second home.
This is what I am saying. We have to stop getting distracted by the hissy fit andf figure out how we stop the hissy fit from happening and demand we get some people in there who can do it. Or at least trick the people in power into supporting something that would stop their stupidity by telling them it is actually to stop their opponents. This is not just against republicans here because this whole situation is indicative of a general weakness of the system. There should be some method that you can get something to the floor through some other process aside from just the majority speaker. That is a dumb rule overall and i have no problem with getting rid of it. If they want a threshold require something like 150 house members to sign off on it being presented or something. That would stop bull**** like death star proposals and it would fix this problem. This is a bigger problem than Obamacare, and people are being distracted to a different position at this point. If the house was actually voting to hold this up then we would have a different issue, but this is not even being voted on because the minority who is relying on boehner's power is stopping votes. You know next year republicans will be putting all the blame on boehner and pretending they wanted to vote all along. They should be responsible for their actual votes. They should actually have to vote and not just avoid a vote by pretending they know how it will turn out. It may turn out the way they say, but let us get the cogresspoeple on the record voting for it.Removing that power would surely have roadblocks.
We are not dealing with rationale people, and haven't been for 56 months.
My latest is to describe this as the House Repub version of a filibuster, by adding policy riders and poison pills.
Of course they know better.
"But we want something out of this, but I can't tell you what it is." LOL
I see the debt ceiling getting solved before the CR.
As for under the table agreements, Dems are probably floating:
Keystone, which Obama has signalled reluctant acceptance on;
the medical device tax, which 76 Senators support removing;
even chained CPI, which Obama previously floated;
the 986 billion Repub figure which Dems agreed to and now Repubs want to lower it more(there go the goalposts)
It was nice to hear from you.
This is what I am saying. We have to stop getting distracted by the hissy fit andf figure out how we stop the hissy fit from happening and demand we get some people in there who can do it. Or at least trick the people in power into supporting something that would stop their stupidity by telling them it is actually to stop their opponents. This is not just against republicans here because this whole situation is indicative of a general weakness of the system. There should be some method that you can get something to the floor through some other process aside from just the majority speaker. That is a dumb rule overall and i have no problem with getting rid of it. If they want a threshold require something like 150 house members to sign off on it being presented or something. That would stop bull**** like death star proposals and it would fix this problem. This is a bigger problem than Obamacare, and people are being distracted to a different position at this point. If the house was actually voting to hold this up then we would have a different issue, but this is not even being voted on because the minority who is relying on boehner's power is stopping votes. You know next year republicans will be putting all the blame on boehner and pretending they wanted to vote all along. They should be responsible for their actual votes. They should actually have to vote and not just avoid a vote by pretending they know how it will turn out. It may turn out the way they say, but let us get the cogresspoeple on the record voting for it.
Fight fire with more fire.
They're at it 24/7/365 and will have a whole new set of talking points as soon as Limbaugh speaks tomorrow.
And then they deny they listen to him and beck as they repeat in toto.
We're not going to let America forget this time, like we did in 2010.
Dems are using the "discharge petition" this time, but they messed up the timing and
they can't bring it to the floor until Oct.28th if it has the needed signatures.
With that, they are rarely successful.
I am heartened by the articles I still read on Politico, like Rep. Peter King ripping his own GOP.
He's still pithed at the way his party treated NY during Sandy but now they all want money in the CO floods.
I still maintain this is all Cantor and Ryan and we must fight each of their lies and deceptions with the truth.
It starts with Martin Bashir in one forum tomorrow.
The GOP shut down the government and Issa wants to investigate why it shut down. The farce is complete.
House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures - Darren Goode - POLITICO.com
Nice spin there HoJ. A government shut down means people in the government not going to work unless they are in essential jobs. Which park service is not one of. Instead of those park service personnel not going to work they went to work, along with barriers being put in place (which costs extra money) and are actively trying to keep people out. I can see actively keeping people out of a building. But open air monuments? 1,100 miles of ocean? Biscayne national Park with 173 thousand acres? Why are they being actively prevented from going in?
Vandalism anyone? Forest fires ? Etc etc
This is what it means to shut down non essential things, and that means you do not get to do what you want with their land. This is what a government shutdown is. This is what the republicans want, but they also want to have all the stuff they like be there. This is what you get. Deal or fold.
I see it is you who do not understand.I see you do not understand.
No. They don't.these are things the government provides for us.
I see you in your fervor fail to see the truth of the situation. It is to be expected of someone who so blindly goes along as a lemming would with what their sycophantic leader is doing. Truly a shame.So shutting it down means that these things are not available to us. That is what the shutdown means. It does not mean we let the republicans go about life as normal doing what they want to because of this. You want the shut down now you face the loss of some of your government provided things. If it is that imprtant to you then feel free to fund the whole government and tell your reps to do that. I am quite fine with you taking a hit because of this. You and the veterans do not need to be provided something from the government that you are railing against. Maybe you will figure out that shutting down the whole government over not getting your way on one issue was a really stupid idea that screws us all, but I am not bothered that you feel pain over a decision that the idiots you back with a sycophantic fervor.
You seem to be confused again because ACA was not an agreed to function of the Government.There should be no negotiations on funding the agreed upon functions of our government.
Now is obviously time to try and negotiate.You have had 40 votes to get rid of Obamacare and it is still there, now it is time to fund everything we voted on doing and funding.
You mean like the Dems attempting to defund the Iraq War?You do not get to kill off programs you do not like by simply not funding them when they have been democratically voted on and established by the majority, and they have been upheld as constitutional by the court.
Well apparently the people don't want it.You have to get a majority to take out obamacare, and it is not right for it to be taken out by a minority. No there should not be a negotiation on that in any way shape or form.
Standing up to me? :doh iLOLI am glad Obama and the dems are standing up to you, and I hope they continue. If they will not i will make damed sure to vote for someone who will stand up to your people and tell them they are in the minority and the people overwhelmingly want this.
The GOP shut down the government and Issa wants to investigate why it shut down. The farce is complete.
House Republicans seek probe of D.C. monument closures - Darren Goode - POLITICO.com
again... what's the excuse 17 times before?
It is not "their" land. It is public land. Owned by the public. You seem to forget that WE are the masters and THEY are the servants.
Nice spin there HoJ. A government shut down means people in the government not going to work unless they are in essential jobs. Which park service is not one of. Instead of those park service personnel not going to work they went to work, along with barriers being put in place (which costs extra money) and are actively trying to keep people out. I can see actively keeping people out of a building. But open air monuments? 1,100 miles of ocean? Biscayne national Park with 173 thousand acres? Why are they being actively prevented from going in?
Policy riders and poison pills on budget bills are the House Republican version of the Senate Republican filibuster.
It would be nice if the federal government was consistent in what is or is not shut down. However that doesn't change the fact that those homes were on federal lands and therefore the residents can be kicked off the federal property.They weren't booted out of their homes during any prior shut downs
Not to fear Obama's golf course remains open
Obama's Golf Course Has Been Spared from the Shutdown
Wake up
Deflection and play pretend. We're getting a lot of that from the tea party as they attack the economy
It is not "their" land. It is public land. Owned by the public. You seem to forget that WE are the masters and THEY are the servants.
And the people chosen to administer the care of public lands are the government. You cannot do whatever you want on public land. I can not go into a park and just start shooting my gun anywhere I so please. I cannot light the park on fire. I cannot build a treehouse in the park no matter how much I want to. The government gets to decide what goes on on public lands not you. You have only the rights to use it as they allow. It does not belong to you and that is a twisted view.
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