House passes spending bill with Iraq deadline

[KidRocks]

That is and easy one....The terrorists in Iraq know they can not defeat us on the battlefield but they saw what happened in Nam and they feel they can wait us out...........This bill with all its horrendous pork in it cuts off funds for our troops and sets arbitrary deadlines to cut and run....It puts our soldiers very much in harms wasy......

This bill, even with all it's pork, in no way cuts off funds for our troops and even the most ignorant know that except for you NR.

And even the most ignorant of ignorant realize that our troops are already in harms way, put there needlessly by President Bush, but you knew that NR, or maybe you didn't?

 

[Navy Pride]

No....actually, I have seen the bill and I disagree with pork....I think its wrong when either side tacks that kind of stuff on....but don't kid yourself....it wasn't just this bill that got pork attached which seems to be your point. Just yesterday, the Republicans taked on anti-gun control legislation to a bill on whether to assign a congressional seat to DC....pork runs all gamuts....now lets get back to discussing the actual topic of the thread

Well that is exactly how the bill passed......damn......:roll:

 

[Navy Pride]

This bill, even with all it's pork, in no way cuts off funds for our troops and even the most ignorant know that except for you.

And even the most ignorant realize that our troops are already in harms way put there needlessly by President Bush, butb you knew that, or maybe you didn't!

The hell it doesn't.....it set bench marks for withdrawing.....No money to fund the war.....

Unlike you our troops beleive some things are worth fighting for.............They want to see the mission completed and the Iraqis living in a free and democratic country........

 

[danarhea]

So, THAT'S why we're paying these people up there? To do nothing except do symbolic things that do nothing for the American people? Perfect... yeah, let's see the elections of November '08, to kick the entire lot out, Democrats & Republicans,and put people in there who will actually WORK...

Thank you, my fellow Libertarian. That is exactly what needs to be done.

 

[reaganburch]

Thank you, my fellow Libertarian. That is exactly what needs to be done.

I've been screaming for that forever!!! It's all about seeing who can one up the other party instead of doing the things that really matter for the country... Medicare, Social Security, Education, Immigration, Energy, Oil Prices, etc... what's being done about those things? Nothing, because both parties want to do things that are only symbolic to embarrass the other to get and keep power... They've totally, TOTALLY, lost perspective up there...

 

[WI Crippler]

I've been screaming for that forever!!! It's all about seeing who can one up the other party instead of doing the things that really matter for the country... Medicare, Social Security, Education, Immigration, Energy, Oil Prices, etc... what's being done about those things? Nothing, because both parties want to do things that are only symbolic to embarrass the other to get and keep power... They've totally, TOTALLY, lost perspective up there...

The thing is, is that its turned into power grabs by both parties. Find an issue and exploit it. Somehow they think that they will be able to hold onto the power for years to come, but the only thing thats going to happen is shorter and shorter holds on the halls of congress. Pretty soon we will be switching majority in the house and senate every 2-4 years, because the other parties are going to play against the other, while getting nothing constructive done.And how do they fool us into thinking they are doing the will of the people?? By loading up bills with secondary things the other side won't pass, and then saying "see look, we tried but the other side didn't want to listen to you." They are fooling the hell out of all the idiots out there right now, but sooner or later the American people have to figure it out, and do something about it.

 

[reaganburch]

The thing is, is that its turned into power grabs by both parties. Find an issue and exploit it. Somehow they think that they will be able to hold onto the power for years to come, but the only thing thats going to happen is shorter and shorter holds on the halls of congress. Pretty soon we will be switching majority in the house and senate every 2-4 years, because the other parties are going to play against the other, while getting nothing constructive done.And how do they fool us into thinking they are doing the will of the people?? By loading up bills with secondary things the other side won't pass, and then saying "see look, we tried but the other side didn't want to listen to you." They are fooling the hell out of all the idiots out there right now, but sooner or later the American people have to figure it out, and do something about it.

Hopefully, more sooner than later... it's getting more ridiculous and more surreal everyday...

 

[KidRocks]

The hell it doesn't.....it set bench marks for withdrawing.....No money to fund the war.....

Unlike you our troops beleive some things are worth fighting for.............They want to see the mission completed and the Iraqis living in a free and democratic country........

You haven't shown where the bill specifically cuts off funding for the troops... we are waiting.

Show us where it says the money will be cut off from the troops. You can't because you sir, are a blatant liar.

 

[WI Crippler]

Hopefully, more sooner than later... it's getting more ridiculous and more surreal everyday...

The thing is, is so much money is tied into the parties through special interests groups and such, it is now almost impossible for an independent candidate to gain the kind of support and momentum they need to be considered. Also the media outlets vying for ratings have picked and chosen their sides as well, tricking the average citizen into believing in one or the other.

 

[reaganburch]

The thing is, is so much money is tied into the parties through special interests groups and such, it is now almost impossible for an independent candidate to gain the kind of support and momentum they need to be considered. Also the media outlets vying for ratings have picked and chosen their sides as well, tricking the average citizen into believing in one or the other.

And the people who CAN change all of this, Congress, has ZERO incentive to do so. Why would they? They have a cushy gig. Once you get up there, it's hard to get voted out of office.... there has to be some way and/or means to get a 3rd party candidate enough press and air to get serious consideration, but hell, they can't even get in debates....

 

[Navy Pride]

You haven't shown where the bill specifically cuts off funding for the troops... we are waiting.

Show us where it says the money will be cut off from the troops. You can't because you sir, are a blatant liar.

Read the bill, it sets benchmarks that cut off funding............

 

[Gibberish]

I disagree with this bill.

I do agree that some sort of deadlines need to be set to FORCE the Iraqi government and army to get off their lazy asses and stop sucking on America's tit. Though this is the wrong way to go about it.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

I think this is the one

Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress)


Specifically:
Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

 

[KidRocks]

Read the bill, it sets benchmarks that cut off funding............

The anti-war liberal democrats want total cut-off funding for the war, this bill fails to do that, now, NP, show us where this bill cuts off funding for our troops... we are waiting.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

GENERAL PROVISIONS--THIS TITLE

SEC. 1901.

• (a) Congress finds that it is Defense Department policy that units should not be deployed for combat unless they are rated `fully mission capable'.

• (b) None of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available in this or any other Act may be used to deploy any unit of the Armed Forces to Iraq unless the chief of the military department concerned has certified in writing to the Committees on Appropriations and the Committees on Armed Services at least 15 days in advance of the deployment that the unit is fully mission capable.

• (c) For purposes of subsection (b), the term `fully mission capable' means capable of performing assigned mission essential tasks to prescribed standards under the conditions expected in the theater of operations, consistent with the guidelines set forth in the Department of Defense readiness reporting system.

• (d) The President, by certifying in writing to the Committees on Appropriations and the Committees on Armed Services that the deployment to Iraq of a unit that is not assessed fully mission capable is required for reasons of national security and by submitting along with the certification a report in classified and unclassified form detailing the particular reason or reasons why the unit's deployment is necessary despite the chief of the military department's assessment that the unit is not fully mission capable, may waive the limitation prescribed in subsection (b) on a unit-by-unit basis.

SEC. 1902.

• (a) Congress finds that it is Defense Department policy that Army, Army Reserve, and National Guard units should not be deployed for combat beyond 365 days or that Marine Corps and Marine Corps Reserve units should not be deployed for combat beyond 210 days.

• (b) None of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available in this or any other Act may be obligated or expended to initiate the development of, continue the development of, or execute any order that has the effect of extending the deployment for Operation Iraqi Freedom of--

• • (1) any unit of the Army, Army Reserve, or Army National Guard beyond 365 days; or

• • (2) any unit of the Marine Corps or Marine Corps Reserve beyond 210 days.

• (c) The limitation prescribed in subsection (b) shall not be construed to require force levels in Iraq to be decreased below the total United States force levels in Iraq prior to January 10, 2007.

• (d) The President, by certifying in writing to the Committees on Appropriations and the Committees on Armed Services that the extension of a unit's deployment in Iraq beyond the periods specified in subsection (b) is required for reasons of national security and by submitting along with the certification a report in classified and unclassified form detailing the particular reason or reasons why the unit's extended deployment is necessary, may waive the limitations prescribed in subsection (b) on a unit-by-unit basis.

SEC. 1903.

• (a) Congress finds that it is Defense Department policy that Army, Army Reserve, and National Guard units should not be redeployed for combat if the unit has been deployed within the previous 365 consecutive days or that Marine Corps and Marine Corps Reserve units should not be redeployed for combat if the unit has been deployed within the previous 210 days.

• (b) None of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available in this or any other Act may be obligated or expended to initiate the development of, continue the development of, or execute any order that has the effect of deploying for Operation Iraqi Freedom of--

• • (1) any unit of the Army, Army Reserve, or Army National Guard if such unit has been deployed within the previous 365 consecutive days; or

• • (2) any unit of the Marine Corps or Marine Corps Reserve if such unit has been deployed within the previous 210 consecutive days.

• (c) The limitation prescribed in subsection (b) shall not be construed to require force levels in Iraq to be decreased below the total United States force levels in Iraq prior to January 10, 2007.

• (d) The President, by certifying in writing to the Committees on Appropriations and the Committees on Armed Services that the redeployment of a unit to Iraq in advance of the periods specified in subsection (b) is required for reasons of national security and by submitting along with the certification a report in classified and unclassified form detailing the particular reason or reasons why the unit's redeployment is necessary, may waive the limitations prescribed in subsection (b) on a unit-by-unit basis.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

SEC. 1904.

• (a) The President shall make and transmit to Congress the following determinations, along with reports in classified and unclassified form detailing the basis for each determination, on or before July 1, 2007:

• • (1) whether the Government of Iraq has given United States Armed Forces and Iraqi Security Forces the authority to pursue all extremists, including Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias, and is making substantial progress in delivering necessary Iraqi Security Forces for Baghdad and protecting such Forces from political interference; intensifying efforts to build balanced security forces throughout Iraq that provide even-handed security for all Iraqis; ensuring that Iraq's political authorities are not undermining or making false accusations against members of the Iraqi Security Forces; eliminating militia control of local security; establishing a strong militia disarmament program; ensuring fair and just enforcement of laws; establishing political, media, economic, and service committees in support of the Baghdad Security Plan; and eradicating safe havens;

• • (2) whether the Government of Iraq is making substantial progress in meeting its commitment to pursue reconciliation initiatives, including enactment of a hydro-carbon law; adoption of legislation necessary for the conduct of provincial and local elections; reform of current laws governing the de-Baathification process; amendment of the Constitution of Iraq; and allocation of Iraqi revenues for reconstruction projects; and

• • (3) whether the Government of Iraq and United States Armed Forces are making substantial progress in reducing the level of sectarian violence in Iraq.

• (b) On or before October 1, 2007, the President--

• • (1) shall certify to the Congress that the Government of Iraq has enacted a broadly accepted hydro-carbon law that equitably shares oil revenues among all Iraqis; adopted legislation necessary for the conduct of provincial and local elections, taken steps to implement such legislation, and set a schedule to conduct provincial and local elections; reformed current laws governing the de-Baathification process to allow for more equitable treatment of individuals affected by such laws; amended the Constitution of Iraq consistent with the principles contained in article 137 of such constitution; and allocated and begun expenditure of $10 billion in Iraqi revenues for reconstruction projects, including delivery of essential services, on an equitable basis; or

• • (2) shall report to the Congress that he is unable to make such certification.

• (c) If in the transmissions to Congress required by subsection (a) the President determines that any of the conditions specified in such subsection have not been met, or if the President is unable to make the certification specified in subsection (b) by the required date, the Secretary of Defense shall commence the redeployment of the Armed Forces from Iraq and complete such redeployment within 180 days.

• (d) If the President makes the certification specified in subsection (b), the Secretary of Defense shall commence the redeployment of the Armed Forces from Iraq not later than March 1, 2008, and complete such redeployment within 180 days.

• (e) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, funds appropriated or otherwise made available in this or any other Act are immediately available for obligation and expenditure to plan and execute a safe and orderly redeployment of the Armed Forces from Iraq, as specified in subsections (c) and (d).

• (f) After the conclusion of the 180-day period for redeployment specified in subsections (c) and (d), the Secretary of Defense may not deploy or maintain members of the Armed Forces in Iraq for any purpose other than the following:

• • (1) Protecting American diplomatic facilities and American citizens, including members of the U.S. Armed Forces.

• • (2) Serving in roles consistent with customary diplomatic positions.

• • (3) Engaging in targeted special actions limited in duration and scope to killing or capturing members of al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations with global reach.

• • (4) Training members of the Iraqi Security Forces.

• (g) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, 50 percent of the funds appropriated by title I of this Act for assistance to Iraq under each of the headings `IRAQ SECURITY FORCES FUND', `ECONOMIC SUPPORT FUND', and `INTERNATIONAL NARCOTICS CONTROL AND LAW ENFORCEMENT' shall be withheld from obligation until the President has made a certification to Congress regarding the matters specified in subsection (b)(1).

• (h) The requirement to withhold funds from obligation pursuant to subsection (g) shall not apply with respect to funds made available under the heading `ECONOMIC SUPPORT FUND' for continued support for the Community Action Program and Community Stabilization Program in Iraq administered by the United States Agency for International Development or for programs and activities to promote democracy in Iraq.

SEC. 1905.

• (a) COORDINATOR FOR IRAQ ASSISTANCE- Not later than 30 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the President shall appoint a Coordinator for Iraq Assistance (hereinafter in this section referred to as the `Coordinator'), by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, who shall report directly to the President.

• (b) DUTIES- The Coordinator shall be responsible for--

• • (1) Developing and implementing an overall strategy for political, economic, and military assistance for Iraq;

• • (2) Coordinating and ensuring coherence of Iraq assistance programs and policy among all departments and agencies of the Government of the United States that are implementing assistance programs in Iraq, including the Department of State, the United States Agency for International Development, the Department of Defense, the Department of the Treasury, and the Department of Justice;

• • (3) Working with the Government of Iraq in meeting the benchmarks described in section 1904(b) of this Act in order to ensure Iraq continues to be eligible to receive United States assistance described in such section;

• • (4) Coordinating with other donors and international organizations that are providing assistance for Iraq;

• • (5) Ensuring adequate management and accountability of United States assistance programs for Iraq;

• • (6) Resolving policy and program disputes among departments and agencies of the United States Government that are implementing assistance programs in Iraq; and

• • (7) Coordinating United States assistance programs with the reconstruction programs funded and implemented by the Government of Iraq.

• (c) RANK AND STATUS- The Coordinator shall have the rank and status of ambassador.

SEC. 1906.

• Notwithstanding any other provision of law, none of the funds in this or any other Act may be used to close Walter Reed Army Medical Center.

 

[26 X World Champs]

Democrats in the HOR voted to give aid and comfort to the enemy, put our troops in danger by cutting off funds, and to cut and run in Iraq....The winning margin on the vote was because the Democrats put huge pork barrel projects in the bill........Disgusting.......Thank God President Bush will veto this cowardly attempt.

I recall you crowing about the so-called Blue Dog Democrats that they were not "real" Democrats and that they would not vote with Democrats on key issues...you know, like funding for the Iraq war.

Well, it turns out that there were 42 new Democratic Representatives that were elected to the 110th Congress...and all 42, 100% of them voted for the bill.

So if the Senate passes a bill that ends up on Bush's desk he will veto it...and by doing so he, George W. Bush will be the one cutting off funding to our troops, not the Democrats.

According to ABC News the military needs authorization within 3 weeks in order to fully support their needs so if Bush does veto the bill he will be taking money away, not Congress which will have voted for and passed the spending bill.

I think it's BRILLIANT strategy and about time that Bush be held accountable. God bless the Congress!

 

[26 X World Champs]

Horse ****.......This bill does not mean squat......The Democrats know the president will veto it.......Its meaningless........Again wasting the congress time..........What about SS? What about Medicare reform?

Yeah Social Security reform is so much more urgent than the Iraq war! Nice set of priorities you have there!

Medicare? Your party did absolutely nothing about it for 12 years and in 3 months you want the Democrats to clean up their mistakes?

Get a clue....

 

[26 X World Champs]

The hell it doesn't.....it set bench marks for withdrawing.....No money to fund the war.....

Unlike you our troops beleive some things are worth fighting for.............They want to see the mission completed and the Iraqis living in a free and democratic country........

You're sh!tting on us all now, aren't you? "free and democratic" Iraq! :rofl So how long do you want us to stay, exactly? What if it takes another 10 years? 20 years? It is insanity to believe there is any chance of our presence in Iraq allowing for a "free and democratic" Iraq.

With all the stuff that's been written about Iraq you actually thinks Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds will live together in harmony?

 

[CurrentAffairs]

It is insanity to believe there is any chance of our presence in Iraq allowing for a "free and democratic" Iraq.

The liberals plan guarantees that!

 

[26 X World Champs]

The liberals plan guarantees that!

It doesn't take a General Patton to figure out as long as there is an occupying force in Iraq that the war will continue.

The stubbornness, or is it stupidity of Bush supporters who despite the truth staring them in the eyes to continue to spend our precious treasure only underlines how politics of Republicans is valued more than the safety of our troops. I strongly believe that Bush's war is what's wrong with America today, internally and externally.

Fortunately the tide is turning and this bill is another small step towards ending our involvement in a worthless war. The net effect of Bush's decision to go to war is the exact opposite of what he promised Americans.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

It doesn't take a General Patton to figure out as long as there is an occupying force in Iraq that the war will continue.

The stubbornness, or is it stupidity of Bush supporters who despite the truth staring them in the eyes to continue to spend our precious treasure only underlines how politics of Republicans is valued more than the safety of our troops. I strongly believe that Bush's war is what's wrong with America today, internally and externally.

Fortunately the tide is turning and this bill is another small step towards ending our involvement in a worthless war. The net effect of Bush's decision to go to war is the exact opposite of what he promised Americans.

Setting aside your ever-so-sly way of calling Bush supporters on this forum stupid, please tell us how this symbolic bill is "a step toward ending the war". It means nothing.

 

[26 X World Champs]

Setting aside your ever-so-sly way of calling Bush supporters on this forum stupid, please tell us how this symbolic bill is "a step toward ending the war". It means nothing.

Thanks for recognizing my slyness

My point is that during the Vietnam war it took Congress something more than 50 tries to finally get a bill passed that forced the executive branch's hand to comply with the wishes of the electorate. This bill is a step in that direction...one small step for man...one giant leap ( I hope) for peacekind...