House Passes Resolution Formalizing Impeachment Inquiry

[gdgyva]

Because we have an illegitimate president, appointment by a hostile foreign nation that has done nothing but support said foreign nation over our own since day one...

Bingo....we have a winner

and this is the reason for the pushback from EVERYONE other than stuanch democrats/progressives

and the reason MOST of us dont mind the PRESIDENT pushing back on congress and this inquiry

you want to impeach...fine, impeach away

you want to investigate...fine

we just went through a 2 year Mueller investigation....which is how most congressional investigations happen

Nancy wants do do this her way...okay

just dont expect any help from the GOP or anyone on that side

 

[iguanaman]

None of the lies about Trump were corroborated. He did not collude with Russia. As for Katherine Herridge, they went to her for information. She wasnt told what to say

Mueller did not say there was no collusion, only that he could not prove a criminal conspiracy. Didn't you read any of the report? Mueller did say Trump WELCOMED the Russian help and expected to benefit from it and that Manafort shared internal poll data with a Russian agent. To most impartial observers that means COLLUSION whether it is criminal or not.

 

[GDViking]

Zero Americans were charged. Zero.

Gee ya think that maybe that's because collusion is not a crime ( why not, I have no idea).

However it sure as hell does reach the level of high crimes and misdemeanors...

 

[Olddemocrat]

Nah, he went outside the chain of command to report 2nd hand information that wasn't supported by the official transcript.

Turns out that the 'official transcript' had some glaring omissions.

 

[Fletch]

Or you allow the Republicans in the Senate to let Trump skate free from his crimes and then tell the American people that they are the final jury to do the duty that the GOP would not do.

And it is only looking partisan because the Republicans will not do their duty. They have made it partisan. Sp they cannot use it as some sort of phony ace up their sleeves.

Republicans have made it partisan??? :lamo Jesus but you will say anything.

 

[Nalu]

Independents and moderates, a vanishig breed if there are any left.

Hold to hope! I know it's next to impossible anymore, but there are still some independents and moderates. They're not very vocal or visible because the extremes of both major political parties are vile to them, but they're there. And I think they'll begin to pay a little more attention to this circus. The Democrats have the upper hand right now, but they've proven to be quite capable of screwing everything up in the past.

 

[noonereal]

A political operative like Ciaramella? It took no courage whatsoever.

you need to become American and turn in your Trumpet

you are going blind

 

[Obscurity]

Stay the **** on topic and quit characterizing me.

Consider this a test then for us to continue discourse. Do you agree with the following statement:

In general, corruption is a form of dishonesty or criminal activity undertaken by a person or organization entrusted with a position of authority, often to acquire illicit benefit, or, abuse of entrusted power for one's private gain.

 

[GDViking]

None of the lies about Trump were corroborated. He did not collude with Russia. As for Katherine Herridge, they went to her for information. She wasnt told what to say

:lamo:lamo:lamo

Your consistent denial of reality is sooo entertaining!!!

 

[noonereal]

Yes, of course :roll: And the Twin Towers were brought down by controlled explosives planted by Cheney. Carry on. #CollusionTruther

I am not a wing nut conspiracy loon as are those you surround yourself with.

 

[Fletch]

Gee ya think that maybe that's because collusion is not a crime ( why not, I have no idea).

However it sure as hell does reach the level of high crimes and misdemeanors...

But conspiracy is. Coordination is. Yet no American was charged. You seem to want to hold to the idea that no one was charged with a non crime. As for reaching High Crimes, even your own party leaders disagree with you. Time to move on to the new hoax. Try and be a little more discerning this time.

 

[Nalu]

The integrity of the original person that heard the call doesn't matter? Ok you run with that.

The WB's "integrity" (which has been pre-decided by both sides and won't change in their minds whether the WB is a mass murderer or a Franciscan nun) would only matter if there was a question whether what he/she said was true. There isn't.

 

[noonereal]

Sorry, have to disagree re"Fox. They can't be treated any differently than WAPO or any other mainstream media.

i agree. All liars must wear the banner. Right or left although the real problem at present is from the right.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Turns out that the 'official transcript' had some glaring omissions.

Maybe the "real" transcript is on a server in the Mar-a Lago suite in the bathroom. Sounds familiar....

 

[Fletch]

I am not a wing nut conspiracy loon as are those you surround yourself with.

Who do I surround myself with? Or was that just an "I know you are but what am I?" thrown out in desperation?

 

[OpportunityCost]

The WB's "integrity" (which has been pre-decided by both sides and won't change in their minds whether the WB is a mass murderer or a Franciscan nun) would only matter if there was a question whether what he/she said was true. There isn't.

...of course there is. There is always a question in what a person testifying states. Always.

 

[noonereal]

Maybe the "real" transcript is on a server in the Mar-a Lago suite in the bathroom. Sounds familiar....

OK, got it.

You are a committed Trumpet and fact has no place in your world.

God Bless you.

 

[GDViking]

Bingo....we have a winner

and this is the reason for the pushback from EVERYONE other than stuanch democrats/progressives

and the reason MOST of us dont mind the PRESIDENT pushing back on congress and this inquiry

you want to impeach...fine, impeach away

you want to investigate...fine

we just went through a 2 year Mueller investigation....which is how most congressional investigations happen

Nancy wants do do this her way...okay

just dont expect any help from the GOP or anyone on that side

If you don't think the Mueller report will be part of this impeachment you will sadly mistaken...

 

[OpportunityCost]

Consider this a test then for us to continue discourse. Do you agree with the following statement:

In general, corruption is a form of dishonesty or criminal activity undertaken by a person or organization entrusted with a position of authority, often to acquire illicit benefit, or, abuse of entrusted power for one's private gain.

Did you say Biden? Because that's what I seem to be hearing...

 

[Nalu]

Nunes can go **** himself and should be in jail for leaking the WB name. The man has now put a family and person in physical danger due to the rabid, frothing idiots that support this president.

The process is going to be fair, in the aspect it's the same exact process allowed for Clinton.

I believe the process will be fair too, but this is politics. Reality doesn't matter as much as perception does. That's why Republicans have no grasp on reality whatsoever yet try to influence the public's perception. Democrats can't just be fair. They have to convince the public that they are fair.

 

[Nalu]

After all this time you still have not figured out that fascism is a right wing ideology, sad really, most of us learned that in middle school if not sooner...

That somehow comes up in like 2/3 of the threads I view. "Fascism is a leftist ideology." Mussolini will come up sooner or later. I would post the political spectrum, but those who know it already understand it and those who don't know it aren't capable of understanding it.

 

[haymarket]

Republicans have made it partisan??? :lamo Jesus but you will say anything.

They even went as far as to effectively cut off Justin Amash - the one Republican with guts and integrity. Yeah - spare me the lectures about hw he left the party on his own. The cries of PARTISAN are directly upon the GOP.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

...of course there is. There is always a question in what a person testifying states. Always.

You are not focused or debating the "what", you are calling into question the witness.

 

[gdgyva]

Fairly easy to explain. Follow the steps in the process: 1- They didn't really have to vote, but decided to call republicans' bluff. "You wanted a vote... Here's your vote!"; 2- Then they see what evidence there is that Trump tried to get Ukriane to help his campaign by tarnishing the Bidens. 3- If allegations surrounding the secret testimony is confirmed, then they vote again to impeach; 4- then it's the Senate's turn.

Only you arent calling the Republicans bluff

The republicans/GOP and the President have said time and time again, that a formal impeachment vote needs to happen on the floor of the house

Why?

Because that puts the 30 odd democratic house members that will have to vote for the impeachment in peril

I know it...Nancy know it...everyone in DC knows it

She is doing everything in her power NOT to have that vote right now....because IF this blows up, she wants to retain those 30 odd house seats

The issue with the subpoena's is that the house has no teeth to make anyone submit to those subpoena's

They need the AG and the DOJ to be able to arrest for non compliance

Until a vote, or until Nancy calls this whole thing off....we are all just wasting time

before the holidays she will run out of "willing witnesses"

waiting to see what happens then....

 

[Nalu]

Jim Jordan's reaction was as expected. Goal post shifting and attacks on Democrats as back pedaling to cover the tracks of their corrupt process.

I hate to admit this because I'm usually more objective than it suggests, but I would have removed the oversight committee from the picture just to cause the meltdown that Jordan gave us. That guy's almost as bat **** as Trump is.