Harry Guerrilla
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It's stunning to me that smokers would call nonsmokers irrational/illogical. Umm, I'm not the one with an addiction to a substance that is slowly killing me. :doh
I just cannot fathom allowing some object (nicotine) to have that much of a control on me. I really can't. It bewilders me.
You can see it as control I suppose.
However, I also enjoy shooting(smoking). There is a range(store) close to my house (about 10 minute drive) but the people are assholes(government). So instead of patronizing that business(local stores that have the ridiculous taxes in place) I instead drive a bit longer to go to a range with more acceptable terms.
I could make many many more comparisons if you would like
Every drag off a cig or pinch of dip costs me money in hospital and insurance bills. My tax dollars go to cover their COPD, Emphizema, bronchitis heart disease... So go ahead and bitch about the tax on smokers and I'll bitch about paying for their health issues because of tobacco. Who's right?That's right. You heard it correctly. The Federal government is about to put a 61 cent tax on each pack of cigarettes in order to pay for the SCHIP program. Taxes will also be levied on cigars, smokeless tobacco, and all other tobacco products. This means that, if you are a smoker, or if you chew, the government is going to take more money out of your pocket and give it to someone else.
Now Bush had his problems (a whole crapload of them), but at least he vetoed this theft of money from taxpayers last year after Congress passed it. But there is a new moneygrubber in town, and his name is Obama.
Article is here.
An excellent editorial about what SCHIP means for smokers is here.
The Senate is taking up the bill right now, and if you are against the Federal government redistributing YOUR money to others, now is the time to let your Senator know that a vote for this bill means one less vote for him when he comes up for reelection.
Every drag off a cig or pinch of dip costs me money in hospital and insurance bills. My tax dollars go to cover their COPD, Emphizema, bronchitis heart disease... So go ahead and bitch about the tax on smokers and I'll bitch about paying for their health issues because of tobacco. Who's right?
How do your tax dollars go to them? I have to pay for my own health insurance. If I smoke my premiums are higher. That is, I pay for the increased risk myself.
I wish all health insurance was like that. Mine is not, and I work with a woman who is at least 400 pounds and got her insurance company (the same as mine) to buy her some machine that cost $10,000 because of an infection in her leg that is worsened by her obesity. It pisses me off.
SCHIP is a gateway bill to Nationalized Health care.
I wish all health insurance was like that. Mine is not, and I work with a woman who is at least 400 pounds and got her insurance company (the same as mine) to buy her some machine that cost $10,000 because of an infection in her leg that is worsened by her obesity. It pisses me off.
I read this:
I'm pissed because some fat lady (who doesn't deserve health care because she's so fat) is getting health care.
WUT??
I also believe that which is another reason I'm for SCHIP. I think it will help guide us to that next step.
Like fruits and vegetables? I can see a tax on things like transgendered fats.
In December 2003, The World Health Organization proposed that nations consider taxing junk foods to encourage people to make healthier food choices. According to the WHO report, "Several countries use fiscal measures to promote availability of and access to certain foods; others use taxes to increase or decrease consumption of food; and some use public funds and subsidies to promote access among poor communities to recreational and sporting facilities."
Bruce Silverglade, director of legal affairs for the Center for Science in the Public Interest, said his nonprofit nutrition advocacy organization welcomed the recommendations and has spent years fighting for measures like a Junk Food Tax. The proposal got even more traction when New York Assemblyman Felix Ortiz proposed taxes on junk food and entertainment contributing to sedentary lifestyles to fund nutrition and exercise programs.
Other advocates of the tax point to the effect taxes have had on alcohol and tobacco use. Five studies published between 1981 and 1998 found that drinking declined as the price of alcohol increased. The same holds for tobacco. In California in 1988, Proposition 99 increased the state tax by 25 cents per cigarette pack and allocated a minimum of 20% of revenue to fund anti-tobacco education. From 1988 to 1993, the state saw tobacco use decline by 27%, three times better than the U.S. average.
a fat tax is already on the table in some countries, though I don't believe anyone's had the nerve to establish one yet.
sometimes I feel like this world is getting stupid to live in and I wish we had others to choose from.
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Why is Nationalized Health Care a great thing to have?
I have no choice. I don't want it nor do I want to pay for it.
Why do individuals like yourself have to force people to participate when they don't want to?
Some of the bonus' for me are:
- Overall, we have healthier Americans.
- Not as many people die from preventable diseases.
- People don't end up in bankruptcy (or worse) because of medical bills
I don't think I, personally, am forcing anything on anyone. NHC seems to me to be the next step.
In the 80's many of our mental health institutions were shut down. We, nationally, closed the door on some of our most needy citizens and literally put them in the streets.
Insurance companies switched their role from administrator of claims to dictators of eligibility.
Insurance premiums have risen in leaps and bounds. Employers don't offer health care plans or offer plans that leave individuals and families in the poor house. We've been walking down a path where health care is becoming a luxury of the rich.
Our society has let down the most fragile in our nation; the children, the elderly and the mentally ill. As more and more people get caught in the squeeze, voices get louder.
It just seems to me that it's the natural progression of things. The pendulum can only swing one way for so long before gravity takes over.
I think we should tax the air we breath seeings how we all need it,that way we all get taxed.Oh Boy! more taxes.
And as for nationalized health care pleeeeeease!
The federal government can't run itself, much less another dept.
Do you think that our politicians will use the same health care system???
What are you going to say, when they tell all females able to have kids,that are unmarried,they must take mandatory birth control ,because they are bankrupting the system.
The more you give up now.The more they will take from you later.
Go back through this topic and see the detrimental properties of driving vs smoking.
IF you REALLY want to get into it I'm sure we could accomodate you :roll:
Point being, you can drive, I can smoke. We both make those choices, you seem to think that your choice is more important.
That's right. You heard it correctly. The Federal government is about to put a 61 cent tax on each pack of cigarettes in order to pay for the SCHIP program. Taxes will also be levied on cigars, smokeless tobacco, and all other tobacco products. This means that, if you are a smoker, or if you chew, the government is going to take more money out of your pocket and give it to someone else.
Now Bush had his problems (a whole crapload of them), but at least he vetoed this theft of money from taxpayers last year after Congress passed it. But there is a new moneygrubber in town, and his name is Obama.
Article is here.
An excellent editorial about what SCHIP means for smokers is here.
The Senate is taking up the bill right now, and if you are against the Federal government redistributing YOUR money to others, now is the time to let your Senator know that a vote for this bill means one less vote for him when he comes up for reelection.
I think we should tax the air we breath seeings how we all need it,that way we all get taxed.Oh Boy! more taxes.
And as for nationalized health care pleeeeeease!
The federal government can't run itself, much less another dept.
Do you think that our politicians will use the same health care system???
What are you going to say, when they tell all females able to have kids,that are unmarried,they must take mandatory birth control ,because they are bankrupting the system.
The more you give up now.The more they will take from you later.
I pay a crapload of taxes for schools and I don't have kids. I don't complain, because it's in the benefit of society as a whole.
While i am not a proponent of taxation for behavioral changes, at the very least tobacco should be taxed for the health care burden it presents to the federal government every year.
I was unwilling to read through all of the 18 pages on this thread, but i am interested to know the % of people who die due to tobacco related illness receiving government medical aid.
Ethereal for President 2012Trying to engage emotional babies in a logical context is an act of circular futility. They do not like something, therefore it is alright to demonize and attack the object of their infantile scorn. Like babies, they are incapable of dealing with their problems without the assistance of some third party; mature conflict resolution is out of the question and any attempts to bring about a sensible and logical dialogue will merely confuse and bewilder them, resulting in yet more emotional outbursts and soiled diapers.
Being upset is enough in and of itself to justify their infringement upon other individual's rights. In an attempt to delude themselves into believing they are right they will proffer a panoply of logical fallacies, red herrings, and appeals to emotion, but this type of behavior is to be expected from infants. However, when something they like is demonized and targeted by other equally stupid and emotional babies they will immediately resent this egregious violation of their individual sovereignty and demand justice be done with alacrity and expediency.
This is the modus operandi of babies. Learn and learn it well...our country is full of them.
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