House Complicates Iran Deal by Passing Bill to Make Iran Compensate Terror Victims...

[MMC]

The Justice for Victims of Iranian Terrorism Act (H.R. 3457), passed in the House of Representatives on Thursday, prohibits the lifting of sanctions on Iran until it pays compensation for its financing terrorism, according to language in the bill. The legislation, introduced by Rep. Patrick Meehan (R-PA), passed 251-173, with ten Democrats voting in favor.

“The Iranian regime has actively funded terrorist groups and operations that have resulted in the deaths of hundreds of Americans. While U.S. courts have held Iran liable for these attacks, requiring Iran to compensate American victims, these judgments remain unpaid. “The Obama Administration didn’t get compensation for the families of those whose lives were taken by Iranian terrorism in negotiations. U.S. officials admitted they didn’t even try. Once sanctions are lifted, Iran will hit a jackpot in the billions. And American victims will still be out in the cold. That’s wrong. This legislation addresses this injustice. There should be no sanctions relief until Iran pays up what it owes the families of these Americans.”

“Kyrsten Sinema is putting the interests of a state sponsor of terrorism over the very people he was elected to represent and protect,” said NRCC Communications Director Katie Martin. “Instead of taking a stand against Iran and standing up for their innocent victims, Sinema has turned a blind eye to their indiscretions. Arizona families deserve a member they can trust to protect them, and not the terrorists.”....snip~

House Complicates Iran Deal by Passing Bill to Make Iran Compensate Terror Victims - Cortney O'Brien



BO says he will veto this bill if it should pass. Good.....let him. Then let him explain to all why the Iranians should not pay their debts. It is about time that the Peep is made to answer for what spins around in that dense grey matter he carries. Force him to answer to the American People. All of them and not just his touchy feely emotional Democratic friends and the Press. What say ye?

 

[OrphanSlug]

Re: House Complicates Iran Deal by Passing Bill to Make Iran Compensate Terror Victim

How exactly does this become enforceable, even if Obama lost his mind and signed it? The only way plausible is to force Iran back to the negotiations table for an amended deal adding in this language.

 

[betuadollar]

Re: House Complicates Iran Deal by Passing Bill to Make Iran Compensate Terror Victim

I like it.

 

[jimbo]

Re: House Complicates Iran Deal by Passing Bill to Make Iran Compensate Terror Victim

How exactly does this become enforceable, even if Obama lost his mind and signed it? The only way plausible is to force Iran back to the negotiations table for an amended deal adding in this language.

Iran gets back 150 billion, the court awards total 45 billion. Seems to be a simple math problem.

If I win the lottery, the taxes get paid before the check gets written.

 

[MMC]

Re: House Complicates Iran Deal by Passing Bill to Make Iran Compensate Terror Victim

How exactly does this become enforceable, even if Obama lost his mind and signed it? The only way plausible is to force Iran back to the negotiations table for an amended deal adding in this language.

Heya OS. :2wave: There are some states that passed laws against funding Terrorism and applied their own sanctions to Iran. BO's deal can't force them to conduct business with a sponsor of terrorism anyways. So they can fall back on that.

The point is.....it wont. BO will veto. But then that's when he gets put into the limelight and not by his Choice!

The other good news is. The way the Demos can be branded going into 2016.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Re: House Complicates Iran Deal by Passing Bill to Make Iran Compensate Terror Victim

Iran gets back 150 billion, the court awards total 45 billion. Seems to be a simple math problem.

If I win the lottery, the taxes get paid before the check gets written.

Get back to me when you are ready to honestly address the question I asked.

 

[justabubba]

Re: House Complicates Iran Deal by Passing Bill to Make Iran Compensate Terror Victim

has time not expired on congress' opportunity to object to the 'deal'?

 

[jimbo]

Re: House Complicates Iran Deal by Passing Bill to Make Iran Compensate Terror Victim

Get back to me when you are ready to honestly address the question I asked.

That is the answer. You pay your bills before you get paid.

 

[justabubba]

Re: House Complicates Iran Deal by Passing Bill to Make Iran Compensate Terror Victim

That is the answer. You pay your bills before you get paid.

and if these terms were not part of the deal, how is it we did not renege by depriving the iranians of their sequestered monies

and if we so renege, what basis do we have to complain when the iranians resume their nuclear weapons development program

 

[MMC]

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has time not expired on congress' opportunity to object to the 'deal'?

Was this an objection? Or was this legislation due to a missed point in the Iranian deal?

 

[jimbo]

Re: House Complicates Iran Deal by Passing Bill to Make Iran Compensate Terror Victim

and if these terms were not part of the deal, how is it we did not renege by depriving the iranians of their sequestered monies

and if we so renege, what basis do we have to complain when the iranians resume their nuclear weapons development program

The bill hasn't been approved as of yet. You can't renege on a not yet done deal.

That's why the bill in question was brought up for vote.

 

[justabubba]

Re: House Complicates Iran Deal by Passing Bill to Make Iran Compensate Terror Victim

Was this an objection? Or was this legislation due to a missed point in the Iranian deal?

the congress could not summon enough votes to override a veto
the deal went thru

so, if we renege on the agreement why is it not also acceptable for iran to do the same

 

[justabubba]

Re: House Complicates Iran Deal by Passing Bill to Make Iran Compensate Terror Victim

The bill hasn't been approved as of yet. You can't renege on a not yet done deal.

That's why the bill in question was brought up for vote.

the deal was in place unless the congress objected to it within a defined time
they did not
could not get enough votes to override a certain veto
the deal is done
so, if we renege, we have no basis to object if iran does the same

 

[OrphanSlug]

Re: House Complicates Iran Deal by Passing Bill to Make Iran Compensate Terror Victim

Heya OS. :2wave: There are some states that passed laws against funding Terrorism and applied their own sanctions to Iran. BO's deal can't force them to conduct business with a sponsor of terrorism anyways. So they can fall back on that.

The point is.....it wont. BO will veto. But then that's when he gets put into the limelight and not by his Choice!

The other good news is. The way the Demos can be branded going into 2016.

I understand the political debate here at home, and understand the strategy of trying to instill that Obama is soft on terrorism, soft on holding arguably complicit parties responsible, etc. My point is that is what this effort becomes. What I am doubting is the sincerity of Republicans in honestly expecting funds from Iran to end up in the hands of families impacted by Terrorism. Your comments somewhat prove my point for me on the political significance of forcing an Obama veto and making this a 2016 campaign issue. It is a question of intention that I am putting forth.

The various States going to the next level of engaging in sanctions on Iran, or even some applied law against funding Terrorism (or their arguable sponsors) is another matter. There is plenty of debate on State level trade restriction affordability in lieu of a Federal level agreement. But we should not derail your thread on that matter.

That is why I am challenging others on how the enforcement of something along these lines would occur if by some crazy reason Obama signed it. To me the only way plausible is to get Iran back to the negotiation table to agree to this new term, otherwise back to sanctions. Which is what Republicans, supporters of Israel, etc. all want anyway.

Therefor I do not even agree on the "fall back." The purpose here seems to put Obama in a position of having to choose between his administration's deal and the potential of being looked at as soft on terrorism *or* going back to the negotiation table with Iran and look weak for not asking for this sort of retribution in the first place. It is a classic political game of damned if you do, damned if you do not but my suspicion is more are catching on to Republican's game here. A game Republicans are willing to play on the backs of those lost to terrorism and their families.

I find that remarkably sad that this is the state of current politics. And there is continued evidence of this with the drawn out Benghazi concern. Is it really about giving information to the families impacted by the loss, or harming Hilary's 2016 chances? Or said another way, the difference between sincerity for an issue and political opportunism.

Now, I also understand my comments here are rather harsh on Republicans. But until someone shows me something along the lines of sincerity on these issues Republicans harp on, what alternative do I have? (Again, your comments on the political advancement opportunity here all but supporting my case.) You follow what I am getting at?

 

[MMC]

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the congress could not summon enough votes to override a veto
the deal went thru

so, if we renege on the agreement why is it not also acceptable for iran to do the same

We wouldn't be reneging on the Deal. As like I mentioned.....just because BO peep and the Europeans gave up on the sanctions. States here, have laws against doing business with any Sponsors of Terrorism.

Did BO peep remove Iran from the list? If not.....there is nothing preventing those from standing on their Law.

 

[MMC]

Re: House Complicates Iran Deal by Passing Bill to Make Iran Compensate Terror Victim

I understand the political debate here at home, and understand the strategy of trying to instill that Obama is soft on terrorism, soft on holding arguably complicit parties responsible, etc. My point is that is what this effort becomes. What I am doubting is the sincerity of Republicans in honestly expecting funds from Iran to end up in the hands of families impacted by Terrorism. Your comments somewhat prove my point for me on the political significance of forcing an Obama veto and making this a 2016 campaign issue. It is a question of intention that I am putting forth.

The various States going to the next level of engaging in sanctions on Iran, or even some applied law against funding Terrorism (or their arguable sponsors) is another matter. There is plenty of debate on State level trade restriction affordability in lieu of a Federal level agreement. But we should not derail your thread on that matter.

That is why I am challenging others on how the enforcement of something along these lines would occur if by some crazy reason Obama signed it. To me the only way plausible is to get Iran back to the negotiation table to agree to this new term, otherwise back to sanctions. Which is what Republicans, supporters of Israel, etc. all want anyway.

Therefor I do not even agree on the "fall back." The purpose here seems to put Obama in a position of having to choose between his administration's deal and the potential of being looked at as soft on terrorism *or* going back to the negotiation table with Iran and look weak for not asking for this sort of retribution in the first place. It is a classic political game of damned if you do, damned if you do not but my suspicion is more are catching on to Republican's game here. A game Republicans are willing to play on the backs of those lost to terrorism and their families.

I find that remarkably sad that this is the state of current politics. And there is continued evidence of this with the drawn out Benghazi concern. Is it really about giving information to the families impacted by the loss, or harming Hilary's 2016 chances? Or said another way, the difference between sincerity for an issue and political opportunism.

Now, I also understand my comments here are rather harsh on Republicans. But until someone shows me something along the lines of sincerity on these issues Republicans harp on, what alternative do I have? (Again, your comments on the political advancement opportunity here all but supporting my case.) You follow what I am getting at?

The only ones that played games were the Democrats. They put a Man before their country and their people. That's who played a game on the backs of families killed by Iranians. Or those who have family that are hostages.

A Man and his legacy over Country and its people. They also did it without any bipartisanship and knowing that 2/3rds of the country was against the deal.

It would be a different story if you could show that the majority of the Country. As well as all its Top leaders were backing this deal. They are not.

Furthermore.....they allowed a Mans false vision, to lead them on. Knowing that the Risk of Warfare and Conflict would be greater in the ME, not less.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Re: House Complicates Iran Deal by Passing Bill to Make Iran Compensate Terror Victim

The Justice for Victims of Iranian Terrorism Act (H.R. 3457), passed in the House of Representatives on Thursday, prohibits the lifting of sanctions on Iran until it pays compensation for its financing terrorism, according to language in the bill. The legislation, introduced by Rep. Patrick Meehan (R-PA), passed 251-173, with ten Democrats voting in favor.

“The Iranian regime has actively funded terrorist groups and operations that have resulted in the deaths of hundreds of Americans. While U.S. courts have held Iran liable for these attacks, requiring Iran to compensate American victims, these judgments remain unpaid. “The Obama Administration didn’t get compensation for the families of those whose lives were taken by Iranian terrorism in negotiations. U.S. officials admitted they didn’t even try. Once sanctions are lifted, Iran will hit a jackpot in the billions. And American victims will still be out in the cold. That’s wrong. This legislation addresses this injustice. There should be no sanctions relief until Iran pays up what it owes the families of these Americans.”

“Kyrsten Sinema is putting the interests of a state sponsor of terrorism over the very people he was elected to represent and protect,” said NRCC Communications Director Katie Martin. “Instead of taking a stand against Iran and standing up for their innocent victims, Sinema has turned a blind eye to their indiscretions. Arizona families deserve a member they can trust to protect them, and not the terrorists.”....snip~

House Complicates Iran Deal by Passing Bill to Make Iran Compensate Terror Victims - Cortney O'Brien



BO says he will veto this bill if it should pass. Good.....let him. Then let him explain to all why the Iranians should not pay their debts. It is about time that the Peep is made to answer for what spins around in that dense grey matter he carries. Force him to answer to the American People. All of them and not just his touchy feely emotional Democratic friends and the Press. What say ye?

Now for once, they came up with a brilliant plan.

'OK, you want sanctions lifted, but you guys killed a lot of people. We'll let you have nukes when you pay damages.

The President vetoes it as its a deal killer, and the Conservatives have yet one more weapon in their arsenal to show that Obama does not understand the terror war being waged against his country or, at worst, sides with them.

It's all in what appears to be, and with this they now have what will become a long list of vetoes "helping" terrorists.

That will work with the right voter

 

[iguanaman]

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Heya OS. :2wave: There are some states that passed laws against funding Terrorism and applied their own sanctions to Iran. BO's deal can't force them to conduct business with a sponsor of terrorism anyways. So they can fall back on that.

The point is.....it wont. BO will veto. But then that's when he gets put into the limelight and not by his Choice!

The other good news is. The way the Demos can be branded going into 2016.

The bill won't get a vote in the Senate until that rider is removed or time expires for ANY bill. They only had 60 days you know. It's just a way to waste time. Something the House has become an expert at. I really think they should all have their pay docked.

 

[MMC]

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Now for once, they came up with a brilliant plan.

'OK, you want sanctions lifted, but you guys killed a lot of people. We'll let you have nukes when you pay damages.

The President vetoes it as its a deal killer, and the Conservatives have yet one more weapon in their arsenal to show that Obama does not understand the terror war being waged against his country or, at worst, sides with them.

It's all in what appears to be, and with this they now have what will become a long list of vetoes "helping" terrorists.

That will work with the right voter

Heya F&L. :2wave: Well not with just BO.....it will be the Paint job on the Demos. Each and every one that supported the deal. One this time, they will be forced to cope with.

 

[MMC]

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The bill won't get a vote in the Senate until that rider is removed or time expires for ANY bill. They only had 60 days you know. It's just a way to waste time. Something the House has become an expert at. I really think they should all have their pay docked.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned the world this week that relieving Iran from sanctions will only help to clear their path to a nuclear bomb. Any effort to slow that process, as H.R. 3457 intends, is a good start.

This is the latest effort from congressional Republicans to stymie key provisions in Obama’s nuclear agreement with Iran.....snip~




It will get a vote.....but it wont pass. As the Demos will do all they can to protect BO over the rest of the country.

Still there might be some more defectors who value their jobs and the American people over BO. There is a slight chance to at least let BO explain himself. This time havomg to take questions.

 

[justabubba]

Re: House Complicates Iran Deal by Passing Bill to Make Iran Compensate Terror Victim

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned the world this week that relieving Iran from sanctions will only help to clear their path to a nuclear bomb. Any effort to slow that process, as H.R. 3457 intends, is a good start.

This is the latest effort from congressional Republicans to stymie key provisions in Obama’s nuclear agreement with Iran.....snip~




It will get a vote.....but it wont pass. As the Demos will do all they can to protect BO over the rest of the country.

Still there might be some more defectors who value their jobs and the American people over BO. There is a slight chance to at least let BO explain himself. This time havomg to take questions.

yea
you keep believing everything bibi tells you

 

[iguanaman]

Re: House Complicates Iran Deal by Passing Bill to Make Iran Compensate Terror Victim

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned the world this week that relieving Iran from sanctions will only help to clear their path to a nuclear bomb. Any effort to slow that process, as H.R. 3457 intends, is a good start.

This is the latest effort from congressional Republicans to stymie key provisions in Obama’s nuclear agreement with Iran.....snip~




It will get a vote.....but it wont pass. As the Demos will do all they can to protect BO over the rest of the country.

Still there might be some more defectors who value their jobs and the American people over BO. There is a slight chance to at least let BO explain himself. This time havomg to take questions.

They need 60 votes in the Senate to avoid filibuster and they don't have them. Soon the time will be up for ANY legislation and not a veto in sight. The Republicans are again on the wrong side of history, how long before they are history too?

 

[MMC]

Re: House Complicates Iran Deal by Passing Bill to Make Iran Compensate Terror Victim

yea
you keep believing everything bibi tells you

Bibi, the Saud, the Egyptians, Jordan, UAE, Qatar, and then what our Enemies say. Got to start somewhere other than BO and his Team. They're not real good with the truth.

Oh and it not believing.....its what they are saying and doing. Actions speak louder than words.

 

[MMC]

Re: House Complicates Iran Deal by Passing Bill to Make Iran Compensate Terror Victim

They need 60 votes in the Senate to avoid filibuster and they don't have them. Soon the time will be up for ANY legislation and not a veto in sight. The Republicans are again on the wrong side of history, how long before they are history too?

Yes they do.....but then more pressure will be on the Democrats to get reelected and hold what they have. Its not going to be pretty either. But then sell outs shouldn't worry about their image.

It appears 2/3rds of the Country.....disagree.

 

[iguanaman]

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Yes they do.....but then more pressure will be on the Democrats to get reelected and hold what they have. Its not going to be pretty either. But then sell outs shouldn't worry about their image.

It appears 2/3rds of the Country.....disagree.

Not really. It depends on how the poll was phrased. The latest ABC News poll shows the deal is supported by 51%.

ABC News/Washington Post Poll. Sept. 7-10, 2015. N=1,003 adults nationwide.

"As you may know, the U.S. and other countries have announced a deal to lift economic sanctions against Iran in exchange for Iran agreeing not to produce nuclear weapons. International inspectors would monitor Iran's facilities, and if Iran is caught breaking the agreement economic sanctions would be imposed again. Do you support or oppose this agreement?" Half sample

.

Support Oppose Unsure

9/7-10/15

51% 41% 8 %
7/16-19/15

56% 37% 7%

http://www.pollingreport.com/iran.htm