House committee targets Proud Boys, Oath Keepers in new round of Jan. 6 subpoenas

[ouch]

There are a few folk who can only post hyperpartisan bullshit narratives time and time again.

It's as if DJT is here himself. Well, him and a few of those Fox and Dweebs.

 

[JANFU]

The offer was made. McCarthy and McConnell weren't having it.

So many uninformed with a steady line of BS to post

 

[RedFishBlueFish]

I would say 99% yes, they are. We only know what they want us to know while they are still working. Over 150 depositions and millions of documents already received. Read all the latest subpoenas. How else would they know all the detail described in those?

That's why at this point, I am not so sure the testimony from all the close Trump allies will matter that much. They're getting it elsewhere. But they still need to punish those who refuse to cooperate with lawful subpoenas.

Thanks for the response. I assumed that the prosecutors of the insurrectionist were cooperating with the 1/6 Committee as well, but in about a 20 minute Google search I couldn't confirm it and I haven't read it or seen confirmation of it on the news. It makes sense that at least some of the prosecutors would cooperate with the Committee. But, I guess they are under no obligation to do so. I would also assume the FBI has access to all the information that the various prosecutors across the country are obtaining, but there again, I've seen no evidence they are sharing what they have with the Committee. One would hope that they are, but......

Relative to these latest subpoenas for the leaders of the various militia groups, it is important that the 1/6 Committee has information from their upper level members (who have been arrested) before they question the leaders.

 

[JANFU]

This 'Committee' is

Why fear an investigation into the causes of the attack on Congress?

 

[Jay Falcon]

Why do lefty thugs like BLM and Antifa burning federal buildings get to be called protesters while idiot Trump supporters having a picnic in the capital building are called insurrectionists? Explain that to me.

In order for you to understand, you would need to deal with actual facts.

 

[JANFU]

Why do lefty thugs like BLM and Antifa burning federal buildings get to be called protesters while idiot Trump supporters having a picnic in the capital building are called insurrectionists? Explain that to me.

You must be looking for someone with the patience of Job

 

[JANFU]

No issues with this. Neither are particularly savory or admirable groups.

The Democrat's political motivation behind this 'Select Commission' is blatantly clear: Equate any opposition political party supporter as a Domestic Terrorist'.
The Democrat's method to accomplish this is this very 'Select Commission'.
It is obvious, and highly suspect, as the same people that orchestrated the Kavanaugh senate confirmation hearing are behind this 'Select Committee':



My suggestion would be to cease giving this 'Select Committee' more credibility or believability than it deserves.

You must be thinking of a Republican Committee

 

[eohrnberger]

Why fear an investigation into the causes of the attack on Congress?

You conflate an 'investigation' with a politically motivated political Kabuki theater the likes of the smear mess Democrats orchestrated in the Kavanaugh Senate confirmation hearing. This 'Select Committee' is nothing but Pelosi's cynical political poly to manipulate public opinion with whatever monkey poo she and the other Democrats can throw up at the TV screen, with their complicit 'news' (DNC propaganda arm) media blowing every one of those monkey poos like they did with the 'Russia Collusion' hoax.

You further conflate 'an attack on Congress' with what did occur, and what has been charged, namely, Disruption and Obstruction of Congress, criminal trespass and other similar low level charges.

 

[eohrnberger]

You must be thinking of a Republican Committee

Nothing specific to what was posted. Got it.

 

[JANFU]

Nothing specific to what was posted. Got it.

Nope. You are wrong.

 

[eohrnberger]

Nope. You are wrong.

Seems like you are ignoring cited / quoted showing the same smear merchants behind the Kavanaugh political hit job are behind the 'Select Committee'.

As well as the Democrat leadership's established of doing the same for 2 impeachments and for an entire presidential term.

Must be nice, warm moist and comfortable little isolated place where nothing counter preconceived notions, confirmation bias, is unable to intrude.

Instead of just simply stating that, why not backup this assertion you've made?
Or backup that the people orchestrating the 'Select Committee' aren't the same ones which orchestrated the Democrat's Kavanaugh embarrassment?

Just making assertions without backing them up is pretty cheap.

 

[snakestretcher]

Why do lefty thugs like BLM and Antifa burning federal buildings get to be called protesters while idiot Trump supporters having a picnic in the capital building are called insurrectionists? Explain that to me.

Maybe because an insurrection is an attempt to overthrow a government using violence and whatever else you refer to, is not?

insurrection

1. an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and…

dictionary.cambridge.org

 

[TomFitz]

Seems like you are ignoring cited / quoted showing the same smear merchants behind the Kavanaugh political hit job are behind the 'Select Committee'.

As well as the Democrat leadership's established of doing the same for 2 impeachments and for an entire presidential term.

Must be nice, warm moist and comfortable little isolated place where nothing counter preconceived notions, confirmation bias, is unable to intrude.

Instead of just simply stating that, why not backup this assertion you've made?
Or backup that the people orchestrating the 'Select Committee' aren't the same ones which orchestrated the Democrat's Kavanaugh embarrassment?

Just making assertions without backing them up is pretty cheap.

I guess that’s the rationalization that you’ve made up to justify ignoring the facts and the evidence and declaring that your fake wannabe fuhrer did it, and that they’re pretty much wrapped up all the details of the conspiracy and how it was executed.

Got it.

 

[Mircea]

All they need to do is show up and answer the Committee's questions - to possibly clear matters up.

Then why don't you show up and answer their questions?

You give the impression you're more knowledgeable about it than those who were subpoenaed.

 

[ouch]

Then why don't you show up and answer their questions?

If asked by the 1/6 Committee or subpoenaed, I would.

You give the impression you're more knowledgeable about it than those who were subpoenaed.

That's odd. I've supported any and all investigations into the 1/6 assault on our nation's Capitol in their effort to find the facts. Even with what I saw, heard and read for the past year prior to 1/6 it wasn't facts in its entirety. There's a lot of missing pieces to gather together in order to catch as many skunks as possible connected to the who / why it happened and everything possible that went wrong with preventing that clustermuck sh*tshow in the first place. Those connected to and found guilty of that 1/6 assault need to be punished!

 

[bomberfox]

Keep em coming!!

Jan. 6 committee subpoenas Proud Boys, Oath Keepers

The committee chair said the far-right groups and their leaders "have relevant information about how the violence erupted at the Capitol."

www.nbcnews.com

The bipartisan panel issued subpoenas Tuesday “demanding information from groups involved in violence both leading up to and on January 6th."


The subpoenas seek information and testimony from the organizations and their leaders: Elmer Stewart Rhodes, president of the Oath Keepers, and Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, who was chairman of the Proud Boys at the time of the riot.

“We believe the individuals and organizations we subpoenaed today have relevant information about how violence erupted at the Capitol and the preparation leading up to this violent attack," committee chair Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., said in a statement Tuesday.

Just forcibly disband these “militias”. 3 percenter and all.

 

[bomberfox]

"They" (Right Winger Types) still think "the Jim Crow styled Kangaroo Systems can be used to give "white people a pass" no matter how vile their acts are.

Honestly with our legal system i cant blame em…. Its given them just slaps on the wrist so far.

 

[ouch]

I'd be all in favor of investigating the security failures that day. This committee is doing everything else. Now they are diving into CT territory. Don't expect them to become effective anytime soon.

Here's news that makes both of us happier. There's plenty of wrongs surrounding 1/6 that need looked into.

House Jan. 6 committee intensifies focus on law enforcement failures that preceded Capitol attack

The House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol is increasingly focused on law enforcement failures that preceded the insurrection, scrutinizing in particular multiple warnings of possible violence that went unheeded by the FBI, according to people familiar with its...

www.stripes.com

WASHINGTON — The House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol is increasingly focused on law enforcement failures that preceded the insurrection, scrutinizing in particular multiple warnings of possible violence that went unheeded by the FBI, according to people familiar with its work and individuals who have been contacted by the committee.

Donell Harvin, the former head of intelligence for the District of Columbia’s homeland security department, said he has met twice in the past two weeks with committee investigators, who he said appeared intent on understanding how information was shared between agencies in the weeks before the attack.

Harvin — whose team was in charge of assessing threats to D.C. — said he told committee investigators that he did not learn of the warnings received by the FBI in advance of Jan. 6 until months after the Capitol siege. “I told them that I think there needs to be a big discussion about how we look at domestic intelligence, because right now, it’s fragmented,” he said.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Here's news that makes both of us happier. There's plenty of wrongs surrounding 1/6 that need looked into.

House Jan. 6 committee intensifies focus on law enforcement failures that preceded Capitol attack

The House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol is increasingly focused on law enforcement failures that preceded the insurrection, scrutinizing in particular multiple warnings of possible violence that went unheeded by the FBI, according to people familiar with its...

www.stripes.com

WASHINGTON — The House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol is increasingly focused on law enforcement failures that preceded the insurrection, scrutinizing in particular multiple warnings of possible violence that went unheeded by the FBI, according to people familiar with its work and individuals who have been contacted by the committee.

Donell Harvin, the former head of intelligence for the District of Columbia’s homeland security department, said he has met twice in the past two weeks with committee investigators, who he said appeared intent on understanding how information was shared between agencies in the weeks before the attack.

Harvin — whose team was in charge of assessing threats to D.C. — said he told committee investigators that he did not learn of the warnings received by the FBI in advance of Jan. 6 until months after the Capitol siege. “I told them that I think there needs to be a big discussion about how we look at domestic intelligence, because right now, it’s fragmented,” he said.

A lot of people get their fingers burned because of their belief that "They'd never even think of doing that. Even if they did think of doing that, they won't try to do that. Even if the do try to do that, they aren't actually capable of doing that. Even if they are capable of doing that, then they won't succeed because we are just so damn much better than they are in every way."

 

[Mircea]

Yes, this is evidence of it being organized:

Far-right group Proud Boys claim they will attend January 6 DC rally 'incognito' and wear all-black to blend in with antifa protesters

The attorney general for Washington DC said he feared there could be mayhem in the city on Wednesday.

www.businessinsider.com

That does not prove organization. It only proves they intended to adopt the tactics of ANTIFA and BLM to blend in and avoid being recognized by government spy-ware, which, at this point in the game, is just common sense.

That's one reason I stopped participating in rallies and marches and protests years ago (like a protest for a casino), because I knew from high-school drinking buddies that were on the police force (including the head of the FOP) that police were surreptitiously photographing and videotaping everyone.

 

[Mircea]

You're a little late, the Civil War was 155 years ago..

Good. You can tell me about the cotton gin and I'll explain asymmetrical warfare to you.

 

[Mircea]

Isn't that the purpose of investigations are for, to find the evidence and then use it appropriately?

You might want to acquaint yourself with probable cause. It's in the 4th Amendment, in case you forgot.

You have evidence that it was spontaneous?

Honestly, everything I know about it comes from forums like these. I haven't had cable for more than 20 years, and I stopped watching network news 25 years ago.

Because indications are that it was not?

It's called "crowd dynamics."

You can take classes to get your certificate in Domestic Security along with a degree at many universities.

Seriously? Is that what you propose?

I can't propose something that's gonna happen anyway, and when it happens, it's unlikely people will even remember what happened in DC.

 

[RealityNow]

Honestly with our legal system i cant blame em…. Its given them just slaps on the wrist so far.

Times will continue to change and show these white people, they can't continue to commit malice and vile and expect their skin color will get them off... We have much more work to do in dismantling the Jim Crow influences from a 100 yrs of bastardizing every aspect of the legal system, the court room processes, and every other aspect of society.

People forget Ruth Ginsberg, worked hard, dealing with a case at a time, to use the laws to get equality rights for women, and the ability for women to pursue any type of job they want, and she used some of the same principles established by the Civil Rights Legislation to do so.... and society is still working on moving the "wealthy white man created stumbling blocks and thorns and thistles in the pathways of women", and when it comes to race, that is an ongoing work also, to continue to break down the wealthy white men of white nationalist bastardizations that were done to American systems and its civic and civil society. The more poor whites awaken, they will see how they were damaged by the policies and mentalities of wealthy white men of white nationalisms bastardizations done to society.

Sadly, too many of the die hard poor who are deluded by white nationalism are working trying to infect a new generation of young white kids with their madness, unaware of the damages they create and cause. But a great many of those kids are learning that the history of white nationalism of wealthy white male dominance did not just damage blacks and other non whites and women, it damaged the lives and systems for the poor white man as well.
Eventually most right winger white people in general, will have to face those truths that many have spent their lives trying not to face. They will have to face the truth that skin makes no one better than anyone, and any delusions of such, only makes one a fool within and unto themselves.

I have many varied friends in all sorts of professions and non of them display any of the characteristic of the racist and bigots types of people of the past. They are nothing like some of these right winger that are within these type of forums. They don't have the political civic ignorance, and they don't have the stupidity of wanting to block, stop, attack and deny this nations government helping society and improving this nation.
I can be sure if they met some of these racist and bigots that come to these forums, they'd want nothing to do with them, because they don't care for that kind of ignorance. They respect and value and appreciate life for everyone, and they certainly know, "We are all Americans".

I have chosen not to play into the racist and bigoted and anti government narratives that some wake up with a mission to come and try and lure people into their backwards negatives spinning narratives on a daily basis. It's pointless and stupid.

I come here and I share information for people who are not chasing misery by every means they can conceive ... I share information for people who appreciate American Life, American Democracy and the Diversity that made this country the prosperous nation that it is.

Some people are just miserable because they like being miserable and they will do what they can to try and spread and create misery for others.... When no one has time for that!!! We have a life to live, and we have a world and society that needs the contributions that we can give to make a better world.

 

[Jay Falcon]

Maybe because an insurrection is an attempt to overthrow a government using violence and whatever else you refer to, is not?

insurrection

1. an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and…

dictionary.cambridge.org

THERE WAS NO INSURRECTION!!!!!!!!!

FFS, how many times do Trumpers have to tell this lIe before you believe it?

 

[dcsports]

Here's news that makes both of us happier. There's plenty of wrongs surrounding 1/6 that need looked into.

House Jan. 6 committee intensifies focus on law enforcement failures that preceded Capitol attack

The House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol is increasingly focused on law enforcement failures that preceded the insurrection, scrutinizing in particular multiple warnings of possible violence that went unheeded by the FBI, according to people familiar with its...

www.stripes.com

WASHINGTON — The House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol is increasingly focused on law enforcement failures that preceded the insurrection, scrutinizing in particular multiple warnings of possible violence that went unheeded by the FBI, according to people familiar with its work and individuals who have been contacted by the committee.

Donell Harvin, the former head of intelligence for the District of Columbia’s homeland security department, said he has met twice in the past two weeks with committee investigators, who he said appeared intent on understanding how information was shared between agencies in the weeks before the attack.

Harvin — whose team was in charge of assessing threats to D.C. — said he told committee investigators that he did not learn of the warnings received by the FBI in advance of Jan. 6 until months after the Capitol siege. “I told them that I think there needs to be a big discussion about how we look at domestic intelligence, because right now, it’s fragmented,” he said.

That's good, in that 'recognizing and elevating' threats is important. Still no indication that they are looking into the actual security failures that day, and the lack of preparation for the serious security warnings they did have.

However, the subpoenas noted in the OP here, as well as focus on the white house and people like Bannon, clearly show that this committee is more focused on creating a political circus than any productive outcome.