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House bill would make health care a right

You are correct. Why? Because the American people made it clear they expect health care reform, and if they don't get it by 2010 there will be hell to pay.

You are partially correct. 46% of American favor health reform.

On the other hand, 49% oppose it according to the latest Rasmussen Poll.

That makes you mostly wrong.
 

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Just because a lobbyist doesn't support something doesn't mean they are wrong.



Americans are clueless plebeians.

This poll confirms that.
 
I support healthcare reform, but I don't support the government digging in my pocket so much to pay for it.
 
Yeah I know the conservatives here will just blow this off, but what the heck...


What benefit do you think constantly preambling this crap serves?






And you think the government has YOUR best interest in mind? so what if 1.4 million is being spent by lobbyist. Its better than the trillions of our tax dollars being spent on a giant VA hospial for all.
 

The Congress is supposed to obey the Constitution, and the Constitution says...no, health care isn't a service provided by the federal government.
 
It means "replace doctors and nurses with DMV employees, tax the living crap out of everyone, and then ration everything."

The bill changes the educational and experience requirements (MD, Nursing degree, etc.) individuals have to meet before they can practice medicine?

I see this bill changing how doctors are paid and what doctors a person utilizing government health care can choose. I haven't seen how this bill lowers the quality of education doctors receive at various colleges, or the devotion a doctor gives towards their practice.

Don't get me wrong. I don't agree with with the payment or the choosing restrictions. I just don't see how the quality of work performed by doctors would lower. Unless of course the government instituted their own subpar certification program and removed the college educational requirement that doctors must obtain now.
 
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The bill changes the educational and experience requirements (MD, Nursing degree, etc.) individuals have to meet before they can practice medicine?

It should considering our training of doctors is antiquated.

It should also remove the ability of licensing boards to limit the number of doctors.
 
You are partially correct. 46% of American favor health reform.

On the other hand, 49% oppose it according to the latest Rasmussen Poll.

That makes you mostly wrong.

I have heard from several sources that over 72% of Americans favor health care reform
 
It should considering our training of doctors is antiquated.

So the government should standardize educational training doctors achieve? Personally I think the medical community should control this.

It should also remove the ability of licensing boards to limit the number of doctors.

I agree with this. If I put in the time and money to earn my degree and education and am deemed qualified to execute procedures I should receive no push back on obtaining a license.
 
is college education a right?


Is dental a right?


Where is it in the constitution that the government has the right to take my money to pay for your (general you) poor health habits?

you are evading the question. Current polls show a wide majority of Americans favor health care reform.
 
So the government should standardize educational training doctors achieve? Personally I think the medical community should control this.

I disagree because currently they use that as an excuse to prop up what doctors charge patients.

They reach around their arm to get to their ass to train a doctor.
It's incredibly inefficient.

I agree with this. If I put in the time and money to earn my degree and education and am deemed qualified to execute procedures I should receive no push back on obtaining a license.

Most of that is done to prop up doctors salaries by limiting supply.
It is the primary reason for medical costs going up.
 
Which sources? :lol:

CBS June 20th, 2009 Poll
Poll: Most Back Public Health Care Option - CBS News

NBC News/Wall Street Journal Survey (PDF)
76% said it was "Extremely" or "Quite" important to give a choice of BOTH a public plan administered by the federal government, and a private plan for their health insurance

Bloomberg.com: News
 
you are evading the question. Current polls show a wide majority of Americans favor health care reform.

Rasmussen is usually more accurate than the others......


 
says who??
The definition of the term.
If you force someone else to pay for something you get, then whatever you're getting isn't a right.
 
Rasmussen is usually more accurate than the others......

So Rasmussen is more accurate because it gives you a better conclusion than 4 opposing polls? Oh that's right, Rasmussen is a GOP pollster, thus it is the only credible one...sheesh.
 
You are correct. Why? Because the American people made it clear they expect health care reform, and if they don't get it by 2010 there will be hell to pay.

Reform of health care is getting the government out of the health care business.

The government should get out of as many businesses as possible.

Health care.
Education.
Farm management.
Retirement funding.
Broadcasting.
Art.


The list is practically endless.

Oh, almost forgot.

Car manufacturing.
Home mortgage financing.
Bank bailing outing.
Vote buying.
Vote manufacture.
etc.
 
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The bill changes the educational and experience requirements (MD, Nursing degree, etc.) individuals have to meet before they can practice medicine?

You ever hear of "government efficiency"?

Me neither.

Why are you people pretending government run healthcare will be more effective than what I have now?

I see this bill changing how doctors are paid and what doctors a person utilizing government health care can choose.

I see this bill reducing the number of people choosing medicine as a career. One doesn't have to study for fifteen years to become a civil servant.



You just need to learn the purpose of rhetoric.
 
says who??

Says me, the person that has to be taxed to pay for someone's else's non-existent "right".


The exercise of a right does not incur expense on others.

You want to make a speech? Go ahead, ain't costing me a dime.

You want to buy a gun? Go ahead, but use your money, 'cuz I don't have to buy yours.

You want to worship some stupid god? Go ahead, be as silly as you want.

You want to go to the doctor? Fine by me, but don't send me the bill, it's not my responsibility.

See? Health care ain't a right, not if it involves stealing my money to pay for it.
 

I understand your quandry, you believe government is inefficient, corrupt, dishonest and cannot be trusted. Fortunately for all of us, the Republicans are no longer in charge.:lol:
 
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